Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal
I am south in 618-244. I have ATT as my LEC though. Any idea if that is available here also? If yes then that is the best deal I have seen in this area by a factor of 2. Scriv On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While searching for pipes for myself, I found a great deal on bandwidth. The requirements are that you're in LATA 358 and have ATT as your LEC. If you're not sure, let me know and I'll check for you, but it's up to say 60 miles from Chicago in IL and IN. There are always variables and details, but we're looking at under $4k for 100 megs delivered. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mini-pci WIMAX cards and drivers... Available anywhere?
I have heard that the Wavesat chipsets do not work right. Scriv On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 1:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's a lot of buzz about the Wavesat engineered minipci's and their supposedly sub-$100 price tag. Anyone know more about this? insert witty tagline here WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mini-pci WIMAX cards and drivers... Available anywhere?
On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 1:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We can hack the MAC on atheros based chipsets. If hacking th MAC is your thing I guess you can. I would rather pay for companies to produce the properly designed and tested radio platforms and sell Internet access to my customers. If I wanted to hack the MAC I would join the local amateur radio club where many of us could hack the MAC together and learn from each other about radio theory and such. Sometimes I wish I had the time, money and patience (not to mention engineering background) to do this. What I know is how to deliver Internet to my customers so hacking the MAC is probably not a priority for me and most WISPs out there. Well, could, if we could get some funding together and some sharp minds... I think that is what vendors are supposed to do. I pay them to build the radios, test them and make improvements. My mind is plenty sharp but I am not an engineer of radio technology and design. If I wanted to do that then I would learn those things and build equipment to sell to people who build networks and sell service (like WISPs). MIMO interests me too. Again, the same hackable chipsets... MIMO is a big part of what WiMax brings to the table. It is not that WiMax is MIMO or vice versa. It is that the WiMax vendors have spent the time and money to properly design MIMO into WISP type networks. It is not cheap but it is very good. Being able to process the signals of multiple antennas to improve delivery and reception of signals is an amazing piece of technical wizardry that does not break the laws of physics but it takes them to the edge of what is possible. Delivering the best possible link in all circumstances is something I want in my network. I am going to be making the move to WiMax soon to be able to do this. I want highly reliable networks that people can trust for voice services as well as data. I want to have mobility in my network. I want my cell phone on my hip to connect to my own network. I intend to make this happen and bring all the things I have learned in a decade of Internet access business into this new mobile data and voice world. I believe WISPs have a unique opportunity to skip past the cellular operators who are just now learning what IP is all about. We know it. We do not have to support a legacy technology that is outdated as the cell carriers are right now. WiMax is what the cell companies want in 2 more generations of their networks. We can build it now. Of course some of you may just want to hack the MAC. I think I will go and upstage the national cell carriers instead. Scriv insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 1:04 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mini-pci WIMAX cards and drivers... Available anywhere? And if you could get then what you do with them?? Wimax mini-pci are client side only there is no way to use them as a Wimax base stations. The protocol does not allow for it and there is allot more to a base then a radio and software. This is not to say someone could not hack a radio and hal to do something that is not Wimax :) But they would still need a license from Wavesat to do this. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
The FCC must have been asleep when they set the rule this way. The rule should have been the opposite. If you want high power then use narrow channels and become more spectrally efficient. I am going to try to get a little face time with Julie Knapp and see if he can explain to me how they got this so backward. Maximum channel sizes would have been a good thing also to stop someone from building a radio which could squash everyone out of the band in one sector or omni alone. I am scared sometimes when I see what comes from those who are supposed to be the leaders of our country involving spectrum policy. Scriv On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: It's 1 watt per MHz of channel width. It's up to the FCC to certify something for more than 20 MHz of channel space. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 3:09 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Sorry to Hijack this but what was the final EIRP determined by the FCC on 3.65? I remember they were talking about allowing 24 watts I believe I read on the site somewhere. Lastly where on the fcc site do you register your base stations? What about searching the site for deployed base stations in your area? Thanks, Michiana Wireless, Inc. John Buwa, President http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com 574-233-7170 Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom! *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 2:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field That's a lot easier *SAID* than done... Especially when you factor in frame rates / etc (as one configures those depending on the type of traffic) --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Booher Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 2:37 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Having a competitor use the same upload and download ratios and similar GPS settings will yes, make it so operators can coexist without the issues of interference. Jeff Booher Channel Manager, North America www.apertonet.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/7: 206-455-4950 This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, reliance or distribution by others without express permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 8:51 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field John, From what I understand all manufactures are required to use the same GPS sync, so all WiMax gear with the appropriate timing settings equal can be timed together. Apparently the FCC is requiring it for the equipment to be certified. Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Rock Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 9:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field I would disagree. WiMAX should be a goal for most WISPs to get into their networks over the next 1-3 years. Why??? Roaming!!! It will be the real deal and the WISP market, if they do the right things, will be able to setup roaming agreements to exist with each other all over the USA. CPE will be available in all sorts of devices between 2.3 and 3.8 GHz and yes 3.65 falls in that window. Device frequency scanning will be dictated by availabilty. So if the WISP Market, small and large, build compatable 3.65 networks with viable roaming agreements with the right service flows everyone could be happy. Keep in mind the right things need to fall in place for this to happen. Hurdles... -CPE that really are interoperable and in many types of devices. -Base Station RF in a cellular sence. That equals build outs with competitive priced Base stations in mobile mind set. -Base stations from different manufactureers that can GPS sync with each other so UL/DL ratios can co exist in a given area. To my knowledge this does not exist yet but would be critical to help with interference in the 3.65 GHz band. The WiMAX forum needs to make sure this does exist between base stations along with the
Re: [WISPA] oops
I have sent a message to Charles asking for him to contact the board about future advertising of this show and expect he will do so. He is a Vendor Member of WISPA and can advertise legitimately but simply did not follow the standard procedure this time. Scriv On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 10:45 PM, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Ug, not THIS list. Sorry marlon - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 8:35 PM Subject: [WISPA] remove Please remove me from this list. Thanks marlon - Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 2:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] WiNOG September 29-30 Conference - Venue Question - pleasevote WiNOG Chicago – September 29-30, 2008 Scheduled the same week of WiMAXWorld 2008, WiNOG will augment the WiMAX World program by providing focused sessions detailing fixed 802.16d WiMAX deployment experiences in the 3.65 GHz band. In order to keep the cost of the event as low as possible (we are targeting a $95 network operator registration rate), we are going to tie in conference registration with a hotel reservation. Currently, we have the following options available for a venue Holiday Inn Willowbrook: $99 / night http://www.ichotelsgroup.com/h/d/hi/1/en/hotel/chiwb;jsessionid=LTGKSSXV5H4EYCTGWAJSJ0QKM0YBIIY4?_requestid=381084 Marriot: $139 / night http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/chisw-chicago-marriott-southwest-at-burr-ridge Basically, the question boils down to whether the Marriot is worth spending an extra $40 / night for a nicer venue. Please click the link and put out your vote in below. http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=wAgmX046SaRWhUl_2bT6_2f3Lw_3d_3d WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Redline indoor subscriber
From a purely technical perspective I am sure an argument could be made that an indoor device should be allowed to use higher power levels because it will not transmit unless under the control of an authorized base station. From a more practical perspective fears of possible cancer or other damage to human tissues, whether justified or not, are valid enough reason to avoid higher power levels in mobile devices. Scriv On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: It's also severely limited in being a mobile unit. In 3650, mobile units are allowed significantly less EIRP because they could be moved into an exclusion zone without the network operator's knowledge or consent. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Eric Muehleisen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Redline indoor subscriber Performance was poor in our testing. the SU-I has only 8dbi gain on it's directional antenna (back of unit). It would obviously need to be window mounted for it to work. We tested on an interior room not even .25miles out and could not link up. -Eric Gino Villarini wrote: Please share performance info Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 3:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Redline indoor subscriber We just got our hands on the recently approved 3650 indoor subscriber unit from Redline. It was quite a bit smaller than I thought, so I figured I would share a perspective shot. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] He knows what we don't... ???
Kris Twomey has reportedly negotiated access to exclusion zones successfully. He is a telcom attorney and can be contacted by emailing him [EMAIL PROTECTED] or find other contact info at http://www.lokt.net/ Scriv On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 10:36 PM, RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, excluded. I had a WISP in West Palm that I just sold but I had noted previously it was excluded from 3650 (not the reason I sold it). At any rate, I try to assist the new owners so any info is good to know. -RickG On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Charles Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RickG wrote: I thought 3650 was blocked in Florida? -RickG By blocked do you mean the exclusion zones? Access to those can be negotiated. I'm in the process of doing that now in Southern California. To my knowledge no one has done this yet. At least I haven't found any existing licenses issued in the SoCal area. -- Charles Wyble (818) 280 - 7059 http://charlesnw.blogspot.com CTO Known Element Enterprises / SoCal WiFI project WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 SUO initial config
Sorry to be nosy but would you mind sharing what a 3.65 SUO is? I have never heard of this. I am looking for feedback about any 3.65 products installed and in use out there. Thanks, Scriv On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do I need to config anything on the SUO units to get the to register to the Base? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 SUO initial config
Would you mind sharing with us your experiences with this product? Do you have hilly or tree covered areas where you serve? Does the propagation you see in 3.65 GHz with Redmax reflect similar experiences you have had with other bands like 5.8 GHz, 2.4 GHz or 900 MHz? Any feedback is much appreciated. Thank you, John Scrivner On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scriv The 3.65 SUO is the Subscriber Unit Outdoor for the Redline Redmax 3.65 ghz 802.16d line of products Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 11:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 SUO initial config Sorry to be nosy but would you mind sharing what a 3.65 SUO is? I have never heard of this. I am looking for feedback about any 3.65 products installed and in use out there. Thanks, Scriv On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do I need to config anything on the SUO units to get the to register to the Base? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good Golly Gustav
Our thoughts and prayers are with all of you in your effected area. I know there is much to be rebuilt but I am happy you are all safe. Godspeed to you. Scriv On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Cliff LeBoeuf [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: To all those who have asked, or were wondering... I live in Houma, LA, where Gustav visited... For the first time in my life, we evacuated. Now... I'm stuck in MS waiting to get home. Family is well. Internet access the past few days has been difficult to get. There is much devastation back home. I apparently lost two live oaks, a pine through my barn/garage and other superficial damage at my home. My babysitter that I offered to evacuate with us was determined to stay home. At the last minute, she decided she wanted out. Too late... So, she and her family stayed at my home since it is was much sturdier and on much higher ground than hers (mine is about 6 ft about the sea as compared to hers at 3 ft below and about 20 miles closer to the gulf than mine). They were shaken but are as well as can be. As-far-as the office, the building is good. NOC running on generator since power went out Monday at about 7 am. Good thing it is fed by the city's natural gas and I don't have to keep refueling... We have much damage to our wireless infrastructure. Not sure of the extent, but all towers have damage needing to be addressed. Don't know about the subs since they don't have power for us to see their end, but am expecting may problems with CPE's and mounts. The whole area has much wind damage. On the bright side, it appears flooding was only in the southern most part of the Parish from what I can tell. If you have watched the weather channel, St. Francis School that was ripped apart on TV is where my girls attend. The local State Trooper's office had its roof torn off, as-well-as many homes. Trees and power line down everywhere. They are forecasting three weeks with no electricity. They are not letting people back in until Friday from what I hear. I do have a pass permit to re-enter. Now that I have the family situated, I'll head back tomorrow. It's a damn having the mixed feelings of whether I should have stayed instead of leaving, but I guess the family is a little more important to me these days than the business...Maybe I'm finally growing up AND feel fortunate enough to be able to have been able to make that choice for myself. Not everyone IS so lucky! I'll provide more information when I can. Thanks, Cliff On 9/2/08 12:52 PM, Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeff List folk, Gustav didn't pack the punch that Katrina did, but part of that is/was due to the Southern States having a plan in place to evacuate MANDATORARILY before the storm came ashore. This will be a huge factor in the amount of aide that will be needed today and in the weeks to come. The bad thing about the mandatory evacuation (from what we are seeing/hearing today) is that Gustav did roll in and destroy everything thus all the folks that evacuated this time will not leave next time a hurricane comes along. I personally feel like the next time a hurricane comes through Louisiana - - it will be devastating and many lives lost. The last account I heard was 1.2 million without electricity in the southern part of the state and we lost power here (up to 3 days out) 360 miles North of landfall at 11:30am this morning. The NOC and our offices are powered by generators so we are ok - - -short of no air-conditioning in the office and the mosquitoes will be out in full force about dark:30We have gotten a lot of rain through all this and the wind has been howling here since the hurricane came ashore. We haven't lost but one AP (cable flopping up the tower in the wind) but have talked with Cliff LeBoeuf (Houma La,) this morning (CSSLA Triparish.net) who is a WISPA member and he lost a 400' tower as well as numerous APs and Back haul radios due to lightening and wind damage. He is currently in Mississippi with his wife and baby girls and all are doing fine in their RV. He is very concerned about his network and we are working with him to see that he has what it takes to get everything back up and running. Cliff's network admin rode the storm out and says all is fine with their NOC, bandwidth and offices, but the power is going to be the issue as they too are running on propane fired generators and may be three weeks till power is restored. That will take a few gallons of propane! I will try to keep everyone informed as things progress and more is known about the situation. I personally want to thank those who have volunteered to come down if there be need - -and to thank the vendors who volunteered to send gear. You folks are great! I personally want to set up a board of advisors for the next hurricane and all of you who volunteered will be on it if you are willing to assist me
Re: [WISPA] Best of WiMAX World
I voted for you Matt. Good luck. I hope you will mention WISPA if you get it. All the best, John Scrivner On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Voting is now open for the best of WiMAX World. It would be good PR if WISPA could recognize one of its members as the winner. And of course Rapid Link would appreciate it if you voted for us. http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=1tQ1xOpQ_2bZi4ts6kn6WPrg_3d_3d -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] frequency converters
I wish someone made a frequency converter to go from 5.8 to 24 GHz. There is 250 khz of open unlicensed space at that frequency which would be ideal for backhaul use in places where we are tight in 5.8. I would be using a paif of those on a sale today if they were available. John Scrivner WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] frequency converters
Actually what you are describing is very similar to what they did. They used an intermediate frequency to feed between the base and the tower. The difference is that there are likely more frequency conversions in your scenario than the Alvarion / Breezecom setup. In their systems there is only one up / down conversion at the top. Scriv On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 9:28 AM, George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have some RF KLInx 2.4 to 900MHz frequency converters that have been on operation for about 6 years now. They work fine altthough they will soon be coming out and replaced with a new product. One place I thought frequency converters would be nice is on towers that are too tall to run cable for 5 gig. Would be nice to have a converter that lowers it from 5 gig at the bottom and brings it back to 5 gig at the top, this way the radios can stay at the bottom. Isn't that how Breezecom Alvarion did some of their stuff in the past? George RickG wrote: Whats the downside to using frequency converters? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa?
In the case of South Africa I know what is going on. The government owns the phone company there. There is a conflict of interest. The regulators get paid by the same people running the phone company. It would be like ATT being owned by the FCC or vice-versa. How hard do you think we would have it here then? I am guessing that other countries in Africa have similar conflicts of interest or corruption which leads to businesses being unable to work in an environment where regulations are a moving target or they are only favorable when the right people get a secret payday. Scriv On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it just me, or do African wireless opportunities rarely materialize? I've been involved in tons and tons of big ($10+M, in theory) projects where all sorts of big numbers are thrown out, but for whatever reason, someone never ultimately pulls the trigger. (Not sure what I'm missing, but this seems to be a running theme with African projects I've ever gotten pulled in on.) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] frequency converters
It is for me. In the places where I use up all my 5.8 I need more bandwidth more than I need more power. Scriv On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Unlicensed 24 GHz has so little power that it is only good for a mile or two. Is that still an attractive thing? - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] frequency converters I wish someone made a frequency converter to go from 5.8 to 24 GHz. There is 250 khz of open unlicensed space at that frequency which would be ideal for backhaul use in places where we are tight in 5.8. I would be using a paif of those on a sale today if they were available. John Scrivner WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] frequency converters
Just talked to them. Price is too high. They want about $6 to $7 grand for a link. Too rich for my blood. Scriv On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Check out Snaplink radio . com Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 1:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] frequency converters It is for me. In the places where I use up all my 5.8 I need more bandwidth more than I need more power. Scriv On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Unlicensed 24 GHz has so little power that it is only good for a mile or two. Is that still an attractive thing? - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] frequency converters I wish someone made a frequency converter to go from 5.8 to 24 GHz. There is 250 khz of open unlicensed space at that frequency which would be ideal for backhaul use in places where we are tight in 5.8. I would be using a paif of those on a sale today if they were available. John Scrivner WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3 man volunteer crew for Gulf help
In the past we have allowed folks to send to the WISPA paypal address and just add a note stating that it is for hurricane relief. I have copied our accounts manager in WISPA, Dori Crow, so she will know what we are doing here. Just send your donation through Paypal to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am fast tracking this as WISPA's Treasurer and trust our board will support this move. I will fast track getting these funds out as needed for help to our members who are helping those on the coast. I am sure I speak for all on the coast when I say thank you and God bless you to all who send money and/or donate their time, gear, etc. WISPs seem to be willing to help one another when times are tough and that is very commendable. I am proud to be part of this industry at times like this when we see folks working together to the common good. John Scrivner WISPA Treasurer On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 12:43 AM, Joe Laura [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim, As soon as I finish getting my network fully back up I would be glad to help. In the meantime send that paypal address. Also, I bought a teardrop trailer a couple months ago http://www.mikenchell.com/forums/album_pic.php?pic_id=30572sid=5800d8ae15490f59c192eabddede8bdf for this purpose. If you think you could use it in TX feel free to use it. Joe Laura Superior Alarm/Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 12:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3 man volunteer crew for Gulf help Me too. Send a paypal address. Travis Microserv [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Introducing new WISPA Vendor Member - Network Innovations
I would like to introduce Jonathan Erlich of Network Innovations, Inc., our latest new WISPA Vendor member. Network Innovations is a premiere wholesale provider of Internet Bandwidth, Private Lines, and MPLS. Network Innovations has aggregate agreements with Tier 1 carriers such as ATT, MCI, Level 3, Quest, Verizon, XO, Global Crossing and others. Jonathan has over 15 years experience as a computer re-seller in network design, storage area network and network attached storage. He joined Network Innovations to take on the role as an Account Director. Please visit the Network Innovations website at http://www.nitelecom.com for more information about their products and services. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Tranzeo] New Update - Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue Oct 10th, 2008
Now if they would just drop a mere $1000 to join WISPA as a Vendor Member they would earn mine. I use their products every day. I have asked them to join, face to face, at shows as recently as the last WiMax World a month ago. Tranzeo benefits regularly from WISPA but as yet seems reluctant to support our industry efforts. Scriv On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 11:25 PM, Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read every word. Tranzeo has earned my respect. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 6:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List; Mikrotik discussions; Mikrotik Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Tranzeo] New Update - Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue Oct 10th, 2008 Ladies and Gentlemen, (Please pardon my extensive use of () and in this here email, I am not so good with the typin' stuff! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- A few weeks ago (years in some cases, hi Travis!) there was discovered a random disconnect issue between Tranzeo CPE and Mtik APs. First it was prism vs atheos (no, that was not it) Then it was tranzeo CPE are terrible. Yadda Yadda (no that is not it either as even MTIK CPE were seing this, although not as often) Then it was you must have some power issue with the boards browning out on the routeros board you are using (nope, not that either) Someone even threw in Pluto is mad that it is not a planet any more. (Pluto is now considered the largest member of a distinct population called the Kuiper belt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuiper_belt.) Even I said it was not an issue and hey they just disconnect a few times a day.. who cares! (whoops! talk to my P** off customers!) Even Marlon the strange wizard from the far side of the mountains said the Tranzeo CPE were to blame (he convinced me to use Tranzeo over SmartBridges! Thank Goodness!) Travis from Idaho posted a forum entry here for Mtik to ignore or scoff at: (Hi Uldis!) http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=7t=24971 I emailed Damian and another gentleman from Tranzeo privately and said WTF kids? I did some network sniffing for them and was able to give EXACT details about what was happening, when and how. We (Tranzeo and I, mostly Damian) opened a ticket with Mtik (Ticket#2008091666000531): Tranzeo laid out a packet sniff from Network Instruments Wireless Observer along with my wireshark packet sniff showing in brief that the Mtik AP was throwing out random zeros in it's beacon frame timestamp. They stated that when a zero is recieved, the CPE are to assume that there is a change in the settings of the wireless AP and they should disconnect and reaquire. (think of this as an INSTANT change from 802.11b to 802.11b/g and all your clients disconnect and reconnect, because, well, there is a change in the AP's capabilities. This is reasonable reaction to a notification of a change of settings. Mtik replied with IEEE Std 802.11-2007 section 11.1.1.1 (located here if you have trouble sleeping: (http://standards.ieee.org/getieee802/download/802.11-2007.pdf *YAWN* let me tell you, this explains why wireless engineers are who they are.. whoa!) Mtik continued and said that the wording of this standard allowed for a timestamp of zero sent from the AP and basically the CPE should deal with it and play through. Damian learned some Latvian so he could swear in a diffrent language than Canadian. Honestly, he likes to be legal in APs etc and just cannot see why us ULS users would flaunt the FCC _and_ put up with these Mtik bugs. I mentioned something under my breath regarding CPQs and firware updates about 3 years ago... The nice gentleman engineer at Tranzeo placed some virtual CPE on a bench facing a Mtik AP and was able to reproduce the issue. He then released to me some very alpha firmware that would email him with a warning whenever a CPQ saw a zero frame. This alpha software would also IGNORE this frame and keep on trucking. This alpha firmware was given with the stern warning that if I changed ANYTHING on the AP I would have to really recycle it to make all the CPE realize there was a change. This poor engineer was probably overwhelmed when I installed this firmware on 110 CPQs in about an hour. I watched the log file generated by these emails and the events had to be happening in the hundreds per hour. Mtik was silent so I poked Uldis a bit with a comment about silence from Latvia and no National holidays I could see along with: While there is no specific _requirement_ to treat Zero as a reset, _most_ wireless CPE (including yours!) consider this to be a flag to reset. If you don't then when the card is reset, the
[WISPA] Intorducing New WISPA Vendor Member - 3-dB Networks
Please join me in welcoming Daniel White of 3-dB Networks as a new Vendor Member of WISPA. We look forward to working with Daniel to promote 3-dB Networks through WISPA while we all work together toward building a better industry. We all thank you for your support of WISPA. Below is some information about 3-dB Networks. 3-dB Networks was formed in May of 2008 from the spin off the Value Add Reseller and consulting business of Mesa Networks. Mesa was founded in 2000 with the mission to provide high-speed Internet service in under-served markets by utilizing fixed wireless technologies. Mesa grew to become one of the largest Wireless Internet Service Providers (WISP) in the United States, operating a network of 130 towers and serving over 7,500 customers. In early 2004, Mesa began leveraging its experience to assist other service providers, government entities, and businesses in the design, implementation, and management of their broadband wireless networks. By 2007, this practice accounted for nearly 50% of Mesa's annual revenues. Mesa was recognized by Entrepreneur Magazine as one of the 150 fastest growing U.S. small businesses in 2007. In May of 2008, Mesa merged its ISP operations into that of JAB Broadband, which had already assimilated the majority of the neighboring WISP operators in Colorado and Utah. As part of the merger, Mesa spun off its VAR business so that it could be acquired by a group of Mesa's founders. Now 3d-B is even more focused on helping its customers design, build and maintain broadband wireless networks for WISP's, enterprise, and government networks. We carry many of the leading broadband wireless products in the industry including Motorola Canopy, Dragonwave, Bridgewave, Exalt, and Ruckus Wireless to name a few. Not only can we provide the products at very competitive prices, but we also have engineers with the experience and training to support those products. Our services include design and installation as well as ongoing support, maintenance and monitoring. Please contact us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or by visiting http://www.3dbnetworks.com Thanks! Daniel White Technical Sales Manager 3-dB Networks Cell: 303-709-4490Direct:303-376-3764 Fax: 303-648-6828Toll Free: 866-878-5988 AIM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8105 West I-25 Frontage Road Suite #8 Frederick, Colorado 80516 www.3dbnetworks.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Raining on the whitespaces parade
I can tell you myself that I have personally spent hundreds of hours toward this effort, as has Marlon. As with any group effort there is no way to please everyone. After exhaustive discussions between everyone over 3 plus years our FCC committee worked together to develop a stance. I believe that within our committee Marlon is the only person who does not support the WISPA filing 100%. There is no way to have a vote for everything and frankly we usually see low turnout for votes or surveys. What we do is have open discussions with everyone and we try to develop a consensus. This discussion has been taking place since the beginning of WISPA and nobody has been denied a chance to speak their wishes regarding this proposed filing. Please read the plan delivered in the WISPA filing and see what we have done. We have all developed a plan that EVERYONE except ATT and Verizon will support. The only people who cannot live with or should not support our filing are those who are only happy with having their own ideas supported exclusively every time. We cannot allow one person's ideas to control what we file as an organization. We have not done this with this filing. Our filing represents everyone's ideas as accurately and fairly as anyone could have ever done. I will never try to downplay Marlon's role, or my own for that matter, but to say this was not a joint consensus position, as Marlon has said, is just not right. Every part of this has been given lengthy discussion, thought and effort and it represents a real way for us to use this band efficiently and effectively to deliver broadband. It is superior to wild west unlicensed-only policy and has every other advantage of unlicensed supported. In fact it has provisions for pure unlicensed represented in the plan. When we get our policies supported in the final FCC Report and Order of the TV Whitespace then everyone here should know you all played a strong role in developing what was delivered to the FCC. You should know that with this policy WISPs will finally be represented fairly in spectrum policy. Please read our filing and let your own decision making process decide whether this filing deserves your support. I know it does even if many of my own ideas were not part of the final filing. It is the plan for our future and we should all support it fully. If there are things you would like to see done differently then by all means speak your mind with your own filing. We have delivered the tools directly to you to allow you to speak your mind with the link to the comment reporting process and instructions on how to do so. Nobody is being denied a voice. I believe it is possible for all of us to say we like this in the WISPA filing and that in the WISPA filing but maybe we wanted to see this added or that changed or this removed. I see nothing to gain in us arguing amongst ourselves about the process which led us to this filing. It is the best filing we have ever made as an organization in form and content and we need to show our support for it. With sincerest respect for all, John Scrivner On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 9:44 AM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't that what the elected are supposed to do? Make decisions as to what they feel their constituency wants without directly asking them every time? If you don't like whomever was voted in, you vote someone in that will speak more in line with what you desire. I would love to hear what others have to say on this issue before I file my own comments. I was going to file saying Yup, I agree with WISPA until Marlons comments. Now I want to know what others think. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 1:29 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Raining on the whitespaces parade Hi All, As a member of the FCC committee and a long term DC participant (first went there as a WISP in 2001 or 2002) I feel I have to point out some critical flaws in our proposals. I said much of this at the committee level but to no avail. First, let me say this though. The filing is masterful. It's a GREAT document. My heartburn has nothing to do with the document it's self or the hard work that's gone into it. My heartburn is content based. Well, most of it is anyway. I have a problem with WISPA changing it's stance from unlicensed to licensed lite without having consulted with the membership on this issue. Our last team came back from DC and told us what our new position was. That's NOT what I help found WISPA for. I could have just stayed with a couple of the other associations that I've been a part of and been man handled like that. Lest anyone take this the wrong way, I happen to LIKE the licensed lite concept. I just don't like having a committee
[WISPA] Please Welcome New Associate Member - Paul Watkins of My Business Genie
Please welcome Paul Watkins of My Business Genie as a new Associate Member of WISPA. Here is a little introduction in Paul's own words: My Business Genie.com gives clients the ability to run their businesses at a fraction of the cost with no limits on the type of service to choose from. My Business Genie offers full service solutions to small and medium sized businesses including Virtual Assistance, Call Centers, PBX Communications as well as business development and consulting services. All of which is aimed at helping to improve productivity for customers worldwide. MBG is all about offering solutions to small businesses and entrepreneurs in approachable, cost effective means. At MBG, we recognize that our small business entrepreneurs are often plaqued with multi-tasking in efforts to streamline their overhead. They struggle to maintain a professional office structure while unable to control costs and thereby losing out in the end. As a result, we believe that our promotional business package prices will enable us to further help those individuals who dream of starting or growing a business without the needed expense. Thanks, Paul Watkins CIO My Business Genie (702) 425-8903 (866) 921-5850 Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mybusinessgenie.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] New form of RSTP?
I am starting to think I am going crazy. Actually I have suspected this for a long time now. grin I was sure I saw a recent announcement here from Mikrotik that they have developed a new proprietary form of RSTP (reliable spanning tree protocol) type of layer 2 fail over support and now I cannot find this when I search for it. If anyone else saw this announcement can you please reply with a link to the story about this? I am building a backhaul ring in my network and want layer 2 failover for this backhaul ring. I am considering using Mikrotik. If anyone has similar experience with actual RSTP switching failover in the field and want to share your thoughts on implementation, issues and/or other similar options I would welcome your thoughts. Thank you, John Scrivner WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] cancelled customer email
I charge $5 per month for email only. Many use the service. I would not give this away for free. If we had something we could monetize for ads on our web based mail then we would probably give email away for free but I do not know how to do that. Anyone have luck making money from ads on web based mail? I know Google forbids this being done for anything but their own Gmail based mail or hosted Gmail for others. I am sure they are making a killing on the ads they use on their Gmail interface. I use Imail so I am guessing I culd add ads to web email messages. Scriv On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 10:47 PM, RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree on the possibility of them coming back and will probably do it for him but I hate to use resources for someone using the competition no matter how small. While email calls are not high on the list, they do call. In fact, the ones using other networks to get to the email call the most. Thanks! -RickG On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 10:32 PM, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have a $25 per year email only option. They can keep their email address forever for all I care. AND, this makes it all that much easier for them to come back to use someday. marlon - Original Message - From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:12 PM Subject: [WISPA] cancelled customer email OK guys. I've never had this happen before so I'm not usre what to do. I've got a long time customer that has fallen for the ATT DSL giveaway package and is switching. He asked if he could pay a small monthly rate to keep his email addresses for a few months until he gets the word out. My first reaction is to tell him to take a flying leap. After some thought, I want to be reasonable. I've thought about telling him he can do so with a low end plan. We dont sell email accounts. How do you handle this? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul
We have been fighting it. Towerstream seems to have somehow created a perception that they are justified in this desire to set aside TVWS spectrum for this inefficient use. We have been fighting it and we will continue to do so. Scriv On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 7:34 PM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I keep seeing desire to have a special category set aside for PtP backhaul operations in the whitespaces. To those of you that understand the extreme rural environments... Is this at all necessary? I don't see why it would be. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul
I am concerned about 700 Mhz antenna sizes. Aren't sectors going to be huge to get the 4 watt at the antenna? To be clear, TVWS is different than 700 MHz. The 700 MHz band sold at auction. TVWS is lower in frequency which will mean even larger antennas for equivalent gain. The physics of it all do not change. The size will be what it is for the gain you want. It is easy to envision we will see 1 watt radios with 6 db antennas which related to 4 watts EIRP. Even at the lower frequencies the 6 db antenna will be a manageable size. I am guessing the best systems will have lower radio power and higher antenna gain in order to increase receive sensitivity (with very large antennas). These are just my thoughts though. I am also concerned about the CPE Panel size. Going from a 15 Panel to a 20 panel gives us a lot more wind issues at the client. Once again, the physics determine the size antenna required for a given gain. At the lower TV frequencies the ability to produce higher power radios at lower cost should offset likely reduced antenna gains. Scriv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Thank you John Reed
John Reed, I own a WISP operation in Southern Illinois called Mt. Vernon. Net, Inc. http://www.mvn.net/. I just want to drop you a thank you note for your work that has helped build an industry in the United States. I worked with Marlon Schafer and hundreds of others to help create the WISPA trade association for the WISP industry. Marlon just shared with us how much your efforts have helped us to have the regulatory rules in place that helped us build an industry. I want to say thank you for your efforts at the FCC. My livelihood is directly related to the work you have done. I serve the broadband needs of a community college, a high school, the City of Mt. Vernon, Illinois and nearly 1000 rural businesses and residents. We built our network using equipment allowed under Part-15 rules that you helped create. This week we are launching our first WiMax network in 3650 MHz using our national license we received for $210 filing fee to the FCC. This is the next generation of what you started. If you are ever in Mt. Vernon, Illinois then let me know and I will buy you a meal and talk to you about what the American Dream is from the perspective you helped create. Thank you for helping me build my business and for WISPs to have an opportunity to be the true third pipe of bnroadband in the United States. Warmest regards, John Scrivner President - Mt. Vernon. Net, Inc. WISPA Tresurer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Fwd: Thank you John Reed
Here is John Reed's reply. Cheers, Scriv -- Forwarded message -- From: John Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 11:35 AM Subject: RE: Thank you John Reed To: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's so rare that I receive outside thanks here that I hardly know how to respond. Letters like your's let me know I've made a difference here. But it's not only me. The work on Part 15 is a collaboration of the efforts of several of us. Indeed, the recent rule making at 3650 MHz was accomplished by another group here at the FCC. These people will continue this work after my retirement in three weeks. Again, that you for your kind words. John A. Reed Senior Engineer Technical Rules Branch -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *John Scrivner *Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2008 11:56 AM *To:* John Reed *Cc:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Thank you John Reed John Reed, I own a WISP operation in Southern Illinois called Mt. Vernon. Net, Inc. http://www.mvn.net/. I just want to drop you a thank you note for your work that has helped build an industry in the United States. I worked with Marlon Schafer and hundreds of others to help create the WISPA trade association for the WISP industry. Marlon just shared with us how much your efforts have helped us to have the regulatory rules in place that helped us build an industry. I want to say thank you for your efforts at the FCC. My livelihood is directly related to the work you have done. I serve the broadband needs of a community college, a high school, the City of Mt. Vernon, Illinois and nearly 1000 rural businesses and residents. We built our network using equipment allowed under Part-15 rules that you helped create. This week we are launching our first WiMax network in 3650 MHz using our national license we received for $210 filing fee to the FCC. This is the next generation of what you started. If you are ever in Mt. Vernon, Illinois then let me know and I will buy you a meal and talk to you about what the American Dream is from the perspective you helped create. Thank you for helping me build my business and for WISPs to have an opportunity to be the true third pipe of bnroadband in the United States. Warmest regards, John Scrivner President - Mt. Vernon. Net, Inc. WISPA Tresurer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
I think we will eventually see people just leave constant streams open day and night. How many of you leave your TV on much of the time whether you are watching it or not? This throws off the over-subscription model which relates to how many people are using the service at one time. When we start seeing all channels available at all times via Internet with some common interface (Netflix, Tivo, Windows Media Player, Real Player, Quicktime, etc.) then we will have this problem to contend with as well. I hope content providers start making all of their content interactive such that viewers have to click something (like ads) from time to time to maintain the free TV service. This would help them to sell their ads at a premium and would provide an automatic off button for the stream when people walk away from the TV and do not click something once in a while to prove they are watching the content and commercials. Scriv On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 8:46 AM, Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the canopy 450 will do something like 30 down and 10 up. So that could give you 20 simultaneously which statistically could work if you had 50-100 on an AP. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information You have hit the problem directly on the head. You think a simple Canopy AP is going to solve the problem? Let's say you are allocating 10Mbps downlink on this AP... that would mean 5 customers per AP (@ 2Mbps each). Nobody in this market can survive on those ratios. This service needs capped and people that want it can pay for video streaming which is $100/month extra... that would be my vote. Travis Microserv Drew Lentz wrote: In areas like yours, though, some would argue that is the perfect place for some type of licensed LTE/WiMAX type of service. Even with a Canopy type service it would beat down the doors of the telco offering only 3Mbps of service. As more and more devices have bandwidth requirements, the service providers will fall into line, I believe. Everyone has always pushed for more bandwidth, but it as always come from the customers as opposed to the devices. It seems like now, the device requirements will leave the customer with no choice and force them into a decision of higher consumption. As far as furthering the digital divide, I don't think it will hurt it all that bad. On the contrary what would be nice to see is the communications mediums becoming less expensive because of the amount of services required. Just like the price of bandwidth has changed over the years, I think it will continue to drop. I would love to see some research data on the cost per MB over the last 10 years and see what the trend is like. That combined with less expensive and functional equipment (UBNT's Bullet, the introduction of Mikrotik years ago, for examples) gives operators the ability to put more bandwidth than before in users hands at a fraction of the cost. I think more than anything it will come down to a backhaul battle. Fiber to the node, fiber to the AP, high capacity microwave links (Bridgewave, Dragonwave, Ceragon, etc) These are all going to be critically important to aggregate and transport these huge amounts of data. On 11/24/08 1:06 AM, Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It will further the digital divide. Rural remote locations will be again left in the boon docks. Where I live, 3 meg DSL is the fastest available connection at $75/mth. Cheapest T1 here is over $600/mth, and fiber? forget it, can't get it unless you want to build about 4 towers just to backhaul, or pay $1200/mth for each cell tower to put them on. Why should the small ISP's foot the bill for Netflix and these companies that are making million's of dollars more than we are? Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:41:41 -0600 I'm all for open systems. Limiting the amount of bandwidth at any level is, to me, a terrible thing to do. I understand that it doesn't necessarily fit the model as it applies to today's business for many ISPs, but, maybe its time to change the model. This is where the separation of providers starts to take shape. The networks that can handle these loads and supply the end-user are going to win the customers. I honestly think the demand of large scale bandwidth is going to be fed to the end-user by the consumer electronics market. Look at CES last year. Look how many devices demand connectivity at certain levels. If your current service provider can't get you what you need, there will always be someone else who can. There is some great info here from a recent conference: http://www4.gsb.columbia.edu/citi/events/summit2008 Take a
Re: [WISPA] FCC to put Free Wireless web access on table?
If Google would start a partnership program where service providers could offer a free Internet service in exchange for a revenue split with Google for ads inserted into web content streams then we would have a viable option for delivering free Internet. Google has the technology to make this work. I know from my experiences with my Google Adsense account for search that Google makes money from ads and is willing to share in that system. All they need to do is offer a network / affiliate arrangement just like the broadcast networks / local affiliates do with television and radio. Internet can work the same way if the planets align properly. I do not mind giving Internet away to everyone as long as we all share in the upside. I have a feeling that greed will kill this idea though. Everybody wants their piece of the pie to be the largest. Until Google understands the amount of time and money required to properly operate a network I fear they will not value our contributions fairly. We are the stepchildren of broadband. I hope we do not all turn into pumpkins at midnight at the Free Internet Ball. Scriv On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 11:16 AM, Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From Wall Street Journal today: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122809560499668087.html ³Outgoing Federal Communications Commission Chairman Kevin Martin is pushing for action in December on a plan to offer free, pornography-free wireless Internet service to all Americans, despite objections from the wireless industry and some consumer groups.² I know its been knocked down before, but every time it comes up, it sparks conversation. -d WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage
Our coverage looks like 2.4 GHz coverage in the same environment with the exception of much lower noise floor which helps extend link budgets slightly and help increase reliability at the edge of the coverage area. Scriv On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 10:28 AM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: So according to the document from Hawaii, 3.6 GHz should have lower atmospheric attenuation (I'm assuming this is similar or the same to free space loss) than 2.4 GHz. I'm not at sea level, but I am by no means at 9150 meters! Because water is the molecule at play here, that would also show a difference in foliage penetration. Not trying to go through a forest or anything, but wondering how it would handle a tree or two. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Patrick Shoemaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:10 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage http://www.phys.hawaii.edu/~anita/web/paperwork/currently%20organizing/Military%20EW%20%20Handbook%20Excerpt/rf_absor.pdfhttp://www.phys.hawaii.edu/%7Eanita/web/paperwork/currently%20organizing/Military%20EW%20%20Handbook%20Excerpt/rf_absor.pdf http://www.rfcafe.com/references/electrical/atm-absorption.htm Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Mike Hammett wrote: Well right. I could only assume that 3650 is better than 5.x GHz, but sometimes you match something's... I think natural frequency is the term I'm looking for. Like how 70 - 80 GHz gear goes farther than 60 GHz, because 60 GHz is the natural frequency of oxygen. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Charles Wu (CTI) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 9:53 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage Have we gotten any reports how 3650 works with foliage? It doesn't Would MIMO have any affect on foliage penetration ability? Sure, it might help, but 700 would help more -Charles This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Welcome SecurAlign as a new WISPA Vendor Member
Layne Christensen with SecurAlign is the newest Vendor Member in WISPA. I am sure I speak for us all when I say welcome to you Layne. We appreciate your company's investment in our future with your membership in WISPA. We look forward to working with you to help your business and our industry to grow and prosper. I have included some introductory information about SecurAlign below in Layne's own words. Thank you for supporting WISPA. *SecurAlign* began building the *LT-18* solid reflector for Canopy radios in early 2003 under the name Layne Tool Company. Layne Tool was building the LT-18 reflector as a high quality, low priced alternative to the Canopy 27RD. Motorola engineers liked features of the LT-18 design and considered switching from the 27RD. After two months of testing Motorola decided to continue with the 27RD because of the lower gain of the LT-18 and costs and effort associated with FCC compliance for a new product. Layne Tool then began selling the LT-18 exclusively through distributors. The LT-18 sold well for about three years. Sales began to slow down due to the large markup by the distributors and the availability of other competing reflectors. In mid-2007 the decision was make to sell directly to WISPs under the new name *SecurAlign*. Along with the new company name came an improved design for the LT-18. Early in 2008 the *MAX Dish *was introduced as a *higher gain* alternative to the LT-18 as well as the more expensive 27RD. The MAX Dish also has additional features not found on any other solid dish antenna. See the SecurAlign website www.securalign.com for product features and ordering info. By selling directly to WISPs SecurAlign can offer the best products at the lowest wholesale pricing. SecurAlign's mission is to build products of the highest quality and performance and sell at the lowest prices possible. ** *SecurAlign* *1575 W 2550 S* *Ogden, UT 84310* *USA* *+1 (801) 791-4069 voice* *+1 (801) 745-1808 fax* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage
Matt, Would you not agree that you probably have at least 9 db better noise figures than 2.4 at the same distance where you are seeing 9 db less signal? That is what I was trying to illustrate in my post. Even though the signal drops a little more in the 3650 coverage area than 2.4 we see roughly equivalent coverage areas due to lower noise floor and hence better SNR at the edge of the coverage area. Matt, I seem to remember a post from you recently where you were touting a link through 4 miles of tress with 3650. Was I not reading that correctly? Scriv On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We see on average 9dB less signal with 3650 than 2400 NLOS with all things being equal. -Matt On Dec 2, 2008, at 11:42 AM, John Scrivner wrote: Our coverage looks like 2.4 GHz coverage in the same environment with the exception of much lower noise floor which helps extend link budgets slightly and help increase reliability at the edge of the coverage area. Scriv On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 10:28 AM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So according to the document from Hawaii, 3.6 GHz should have lower atmospheric attenuation (I'm assuming this is similar or the same to free space loss) than 2.4 GHz. I'm not at sea level, but I am by no means at 9150 meters! Because water is the molecule at play here, that would also show a difference in foliage penetration. Not trying to go through a forest or anything, but wondering how it would handle a tree or two. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Patrick Shoemaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:10 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage http://www.phys.hawaii.edu/~anita/web/paperwork/currently%20organizing/Military%20EW%20%20Handbook%20Excerpt/rf_absor.pdfhttp://www.phys.hawaii.edu/%7Eanita/web/paperwork/currently%20organizing/Military%20EW%20%20Handbook%20Excerpt/rf_absor.pdf http://www.phys.hawaii.edu/%7Eanita/web/paperwork/currently%20organizing/Military%20EW%20%20Handbook%20Excerpt/rf_absor.pdf http://www.rfcafe.com/references/electrical/atm-absorption.htm Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Mike Hammett wrote: Well right. I could only assume that 3650 is better than 5.x GHz, but sometimes you match something's... I think natural frequency is the term I'm looking for. Like how 70 - 80 GHz gear goes farther than 60 GHz, because 60 GHz is the natural frequency of oxygen. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Charles Wu (CTI) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 9:53 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage Have we gotten any reports how 3650 works with foliage? It doesn't Would MIMO have any affect on foliage penetration ability? Sure, it might help, but 700 would help more -Charles This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Article
The article represents thoughts of individual members of this group in its initial meeting. I see trouble with some of the things noted. Especially things like saying we now acknowledge there is a broadband problem. I did not like the definition of broadband as 10 megabit or more either. This is definitely an attempt to force fiber into everyone's diet. At least WISPA has a seat in this group and hopefully we can fend off some of this forced fiber rhetoric. Rick, was your impression of the outcomes of this meeting in contrast to those stated in the article? I hope so or this group will not help, and in fact will hurt, the WISP industry. Scriv On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 2:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And which telco is this going to bail out?Money from Congress to industry = pay off Unions for votes. We will never, ever, ever, ever qualify. Another headliner article I read on this will redefine broadband as over 10 Meg. Nothing like disqualifying almost the entire WISP industry... insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article Jeff, Just to let you know, I am in Washington DC this week participating in the events below. WISPA has signed on as a supporter of the Call to Action to define the Nationwide Broadband Strategy. It was great to see all the players of the Broadband Industry working together to attempt to bring the US back up to the top of the Broadband Access ladder. It will be a busy three months while this strategy is defined and presented to the Obama Administration. Respectfully, Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 1:21 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Article http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/02/AR2008120203 164_pf.html New Coalition Drawing Up Nationwide Broadband Access Strategy By Cecilia Kang Washington Post Staff Writer Wednesday, December 3, 2008; D03 President-elect Barack Obama has said getting affordable high-speed Internet service to every American home would create jobs, fuel economic growth and spark innovation. Yesterday, representatives from technology and telecommunications companies, labor unions and public interest groups frequently at odds with one another agreed to provide the next president with a roadmap for how to accomplish those goals. That map could include tax breaks, low-interest loans, subsidies and public-private partnerships to encourage more investments in upgrading and building out high-speed networks, representatives from Google, ATT and public interest group Free Press said during a panel discussion on broadband policy that also served as a coming-out party for their newly formed coalition. The details of how to meet those goals still must be worked out by the group, whose aim is to bring more affordable high-speed Internet access to every consumer. Many of the group members have been at odds with each other on whether the government should set limits on how much spectrum a company can hold, the use of unlicensed devices on fallow broadcast airwaves and net neutrality -- the notion that network operators should be prevented from blocking or slowing Internet traffic. The formation of the group is an effort to move beyond their differences. The coalition is a positive in that it demonstrates we agree that we have a broadband problem, which not everyone was willing to admit to two years ago, said Ben Scott, policy director at Free Press and a member of the group. The key is whether we'll see this group produce policy solutions that will require difficult choices. At stake is the nation's ability to compete technologically and economically, the group said. The United States has dropped from the top 10 nations for broadband access, speeds and price in the last several years. The coalition is pushing for a federal plan that would provide access to high-speed Internet service, much as the government did with electricity, roads and phone service. Obama famously used the Internet for outreach during his campaign and received 370,000 donations online. He's proposed using blogs, social networking tools and community Web pages known as wikis to connect citizens to government agencies. And Obama has argued for massive upgrades to technology infrastructure such as high-speed, or broadband, Internet. So far the coalition's plans to increase broadband usage mirrors Obama's plan, but there could be disagreement over deployment, analysts said. Communications Workers of America President Larry Cohen said the union supports a
Re: [WISPA] 700mhz
If you did not win any 700 MHz in an auction then you cannot use it. TV Whitespaces will be ready for us to use by late February. Scriv On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, So what is the story on 700mhz? Is there spectrum there that can be used by WISP's or does it require a license? Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 700mhz
I think the creation of the registration database will create more delay than equipment availability. Scriv On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 1:51 PM, Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 5 Dec 2008, John Scrivner wrote: If you did not win any 700 MHz in an auction then you cannot use it. TV Whitespaces will be ready for us to use by late February. Assuming, of course, that there is equipment for the TVWS. ;-) -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] 60% Canopy
I must have missed the post telling what the survey is and how to be part of it. I will answer the questions if someone sends me that info. Thanks, Scriv On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 8:57 PM, Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 6 Dec 2008, Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: Perhaps if we get a few more MT might edge above 14%... Perhaps, but don't assume I have a dog in this fight. I'm not tied to MT in any way. ;-) I have customers using Trango, Canopy, Alvarion, MT, StarOS and more. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] US Broadband Internet Satellite Scheduled for Launch in2011 (PC World) by PC World: Yahoo! Tech
Spot beams for frequency reuse, FSO, millimeter wave. I can see a few ways to do terabytes per second. Scriv On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 10:10 PM, Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is that even possible. What is the best modulation method currently in use? Divide 100 Gig by the best modulation method and then someone please tell me there is a space segment that broad that can legally be used. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] US Broadband Internet Satellite Scheduled for Launch in2011 (PC World) by PC World: Yahoo! Tech bahahahahahahahaha In 3 years 100gig won't be nearly enough for 2mil subs. Sure be nice to have a good sat up there though. marlon - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 2:48 PM Subject: [WISPA] US Broadband Internet Satellite Scheduled for Launch in 2011 (PC World) by PC World: Yahoo! Tech http://tech.yahoo.com/news/pcworld/20081206/tc_pcworld/usbroadbandinternetsatellitescheduledforlaunchin2011 The satellite will an overall throughput of 100G bps (bits per second) and that should enable it to support 2M bps service to about 2 million subscribers when operational. It is expected to be the highest capacity satellite in the world at time of launch, and that should mean the price of transmitting each bit of data is about a tenth that of current services. In turn this should enable broadband Internet services at much lower prices than now, according to the company. While ViaSat will own the satellite it intends on relying on other companies to offer the Internet service. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] US Broadband Internet Satellite Scheduled for Launchin2011 (PC World) by PC World: Yahoo! Tech
I predict we will see FSO and millimeter wave used on satellite Internet delivery within the next 5 years (rain fade and all). You can call me Netstradamus. :-) Scriv On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 11:06 PM, Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think any FSO or millimeter wave will work from geosynchronous orbit. Too much rain fade. I would think X band will be the upper limit. - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] US Broadband Internet Satellite Scheduled for Launchin2011 (PC World) by PC World: Yahoo! Tech Spot beams for frequency reuse, FSO, millimeter wave. I can see a few ways to do terabytes per second. Scriv On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 10:10 PM, Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is that even possible. What is the best modulation method currently in use? Divide 100 Gig by the best modulation method and then someone please tell me there is a space segment that broad that can legally be used. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] US Broadband Internet Satellite Scheduled for Launch in2011 (PC World) by PC World: Yahoo! Tech bahahahahahahahaha In 3 years 100gig won't be nearly enough for 2mil subs. Sure be nice to have a good sat up there though. marlon - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 2:48 PM Subject: [WISPA] US Broadband Internet Satellite Scheduled for Launch in 2011 (PC World) by PC World: Yahoo! Tech http://tech.yahoo.com/news/pcworld/20081206/tc_pcworld/usbroadbandinternetsatellitescheduledforlaunchin2011 The satellite will an overall throughput of 100G bps (bits per second) and that should enable it to support 2M bps service to about 2 million subscribers when operational. It is expected to be the highest capacity satellite in the world at time of launch, and that should mean the price of transmitting each bit of data is about a tenth that of current services. In turn this should enable broadband Internet services at much lower prices than now, according to the company. While ViaSat will own the satellite it intends on relying on other companies to offer the Internet service. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Fwd: WISP Broadband
PC Magazine responded to my email! You can read my email to them and their respnse below. Scriv -- Forwarded message -- From: Kaplan, Jeremy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 12:33 PM Subject: RE: WISP Broadband To: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks for the info. Next year, we'll include WISPs in this story too. *Jeremy Kaplan * *Executive Editor, **PC**Mag.com *28 East 28th St., 11th Fl., New York, NY 10016 t:212.503.5284, e:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *John Scrivner *Sent:* Wednesday, December 03, 2008 3:26 AM *To:* Kaplan, Jeremy *Subject:* WISP Broadband Hi Jeremy. I own a WISP operation in Mt. Vernon, Illinois called Mt. Vernon. Net, Inc. http://www.mvn.net/. We were the first broadband in our town in 1999. We are not just Wi-Fi either. We use several different technologies from several suppliers including WiMax. That's right. We have WiMax in Mt. Vernon, Illinois. We serve the networking and Internet needs of residents, businesses, local government, the local high school and the area community college. I have 15 megabit through the air feeding my houise right now. I have a fiber optic backhaul connection to St. Louis where I interconnect with Level 3. I can upgrade it to 1 gigabit if needed. I just thought you might want to know about me and the 2600 plus other WISPs in the US who are serving the broadband needs of over 2 million people. Most of the time we bring it to them in places nobody else serves. WISPs are the true 3rd pipe pf broadband in this country. Please contact WISPA http://www.wispa.org if you need any more data for any further articles about broadband in the future. We will be glad to give you more insights. Kindest regards, John Scrivner WISPA Treasurer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65
My thoughts inline below: On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: U pricing is WAY, WAY different. Redline AP's are around $10k Vecima AP's are around $4k Redline has an FCC approved system with 3 - 120 degree sectors with a 3-way splitter which allows for full 360 degree coverage now with one sector controller with upgrade path for more sector controllers as your needs increase over time. Redline supports uplink sub-channelization which adds about 15 db of increased receive sensitivity to your CPE to base station link. I find the cost is justified for the Redline system and I have one online that I am very happy with. I am moving my leased line connections to WiMax with better speeds and erquivalent reliability. The ROI for this base station ist less than 2.5 years now and will improve as I add more customers. I feel very satisfied with the Redline system and am confident we will add more Redline bases in the future. Redline CPE's are $300 each (even in 250 quantity) Vecima CPE's are less than $249 Redline CPEs are built like a tank. They have the Intel WiMax Ruby chipset (the best available at any price). Future migration to 802.16e for this CPE is a firmware flash. It is true that you have to buy 72 radios (not 250) to get the $300 price point. They are well worth the money. I take a Redline CPE in with me on sales calls. The quality helps me sell WiMax.. It is that nice of a piece. It is the best quality CPE device I have used. It is very similar to the quality look and feel of the Alvarion VL CPE radios. And, I was told Tranzeo is making Redline's CPE as well? Could you send a picture of the Redline CPE? This is not true at all. Tranzeo and Redline CPEs are night and day different from one another. The quality of the Redline CPE was a big part of my decision to choose Redline as our WiMax platform. Nothing touches the Intel Ruby chipset. It is the best going. Scriv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65
I consider my reply to be of enough value that I am sending out on the WISPA members list. You will see my reply there. Scriv On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 11:28 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: John, What are your thoughts about using the 3.65ghz band that has no capabilities to handle any type of noise rejection? One of my big concerns with 3.65ghz is spending a lot of money on base stations, NMS, etc. and then having someone purchase a $3,000 LigoWave 3.65 point to point link and shut my system down completely. I believe this to be a _very_ real concern in this space. I know the Vecima equipment is just a frequency change from their 3.5ghz equipment. I know equipment in that band has nothing to deal with noise, because they are licensed frequencies and therefore don't need to worry about interference. Do you have concerns about this? The FCC has already said that problems will need to be worked out, and that they are not going to step in and do anything. It will NOT be a first come first serve basis as many believe. Thoughts? Comments? Travis Microserv John Scrivner wrote: My thoughts inline below: On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net t...@ida.net wrote: U pricing is WAY, WAY different. Redline AP's are around $10k Vecima AP's are around $4k Redline has an FCC approved system with 3 - 120 degree sectors with a 3-way splitter which allows for full 360 degree coverage now with one sector controller with upgrade path for more sector controllers as your needs increase over time. Redline supports uplink sub-channelization which adds about 15 db of increased receive sensitivity to your CPE to base station link. I find the cost is justified for the Redline system and I have one online that I am very happy with. I am moving my leased line connections to WiMax with better speeds and erquivalent reliability. The ROI for this base station ist less than 2.5 years now and will improve as I add more customers. I feel very satisfied with the Redline system and am confident we will add more Redline bases in the future. Redline CPE's are $300 each (even in 250 quantity) Vecima CPE's are less than $249 Redline CPEs are built like a tank. They have the Intel WiMax Ruby chipset (the best available at any price). Future migration to 802.16e for this CPE is a firmware flash. It is true that you have to buy 72 radios (not 250) to get the $300 price point. They are well worth the money. I take a Redline CPE in with me on sales calls. The quality helps me sell WiMax.. It is that nice of a piece. It is the best quality CPE device I have used. It is very similar to the quality look and feel of the Alvarion VL CPE radios. And, I was told Tranzeo is making Redline's CPE as well? Could you send a picture of the Redline CPE? This is not true at all. Tranzeo and Redline CPEs are night and day different from one another. The quality of the Redline CPE was a big part of my decision to choose Redline as our WiMax platform. Nothing touches the Intel Ruby chipset. It is the best going. Scriv WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 update
I get 10 ms on every packet every time with no loss. I am using Redline with non-real time polling. Scriv On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: What QOS are you using on that conenction? Berst effort? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 1:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 update Hi, Ok... we mounted the base station yesterday and put up the CPE at our office this morning. It's a 7 mile shot, and we have a -77 RSSI running at 16QAM. We are able to get up to 6Mbps x 6Mbps right now (can't do more because the base station has a limit of 6Mbps per CPE set right now). Here is my biggest complaint with the bandwidth/speed/latency. The BEST possible latency we can get is 35ms. This is with absolutely no traffic, and just a normal Windows XP ping. This is not acceptable for this type of equipment. I know people have talked about Redline being about the same. Any other quick tests anyone wants to see before we take the CPE down? Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 update
Switch to 1/4 carrier and 10 ms. I bet it clears up. Scriv On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: We tried them all... best effort, non-polling real time, and polling real time. All the same latency. We are also using 5ms frame and 1/8 carrier. Travis Gino Villarini wrote: What QOS are you using on that conenction? Berst effort? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 1:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 update Hi, Ok... we mounted the base station yesterday and put up the CPE at our office this morning. It's a 7 mile shot, and we have a -77 RSSI running at 16QAM. We are able to get up to 6Mbps x 6Mbps right now (can't do more because the base station has a limit of 6Mbps per CPE set right now). Here is my biggest complaint with the bandwidth/speed/latency. The BEST possible latency we can get is 35ms. This is with absolutely no traffic, and just a normal Windows XP ping. This is not acceptable for this type of equipment. I know people have talked about Redline being about the same. Any other quick tests anyone wants to see before we take the CPE down? Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Merry Christmas
I wish you all a warm, comfortable and peaceful Christmas time. God bless you all. Scriv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Disconnects was: tranzeo's web site?
I agree. It would have been best if Tranzeo and Mikrotik had simply picked up the phone and actually talked to one another about the problem as opposed to having clients of both companies sending their complaints to these lists before anyone would find a solution. Whatever led to the issues we should all be grateful that Mikrotik did solve the problem at least. Maybe representatives from both companies will take this as a learning experience and be more proactive in the future about finding problems which effect both of their customers. Maybe this will stop finger pointing and delayed solutionns becoming part of the topics of the day in industry list servers. Scriv On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: Might be a difference of reading the RFCs. I.e. the RFCs are not clear enough as two people may be able to form their own interpretation too. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Tom DeReggi wrote: I'm not sure that it was confirmed a Tranzeo issue. Tranzeo was however very helpful to define the cause. And Mikrotik did fix the problem. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 11:29 AM Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo Disconnects was: tranzeo's web site? Mikrotik sent out a very public announcement that they had fully researched the issues with Tranzeo client radios staying connected to Mikrotik APs. As a courtesy to their customers who use Tranzeo clients Mikrotik wrote a code modification into their AP code which could be used to enable more reliable connections with Trnazeo radios. Mikrotik stated that the trouble was that Tranzeo radios were not following the RFCs. Tranzeo would apparently not address the issue. The fact that Mikrotik did create a solution to an apparent Tranzeo problem should not lead anyone to assume that this was a Mikrotik problem at all. I never saw any piblic response from Tranzeo relating to this issue. Scriv On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Thanks for clarifying that. I have read time and time again the devices would reboot (power cycle, not just reassociate!) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: But they didn't reboot. It was simply a disconnect reconnect. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tranzeo's web site? Tranzeo followed the RFC by rebooting with whatever frame it was sent, as I recall. On 12/24/08, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: As it was explained to me, the problem was the exact opposite of what you've stated. Tranzeo did something that's NON standards based and MT finally created a work around. Who knows... Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! o...@odessaoffice.com www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: John Valenti vale...@lir.msu.edu To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tranzeo's web site? Marlon, I thought the Tranzeo/MT problem was a Mikrotik issue, fixed by their update. (Tranzeo did a work-around, but it wasn't their bug) Or is there some other problem? Oh, www.tranzeo.com is working for me, now. And Merry Christmas to you, too! On Dec 21, 2008, at 12:19 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Glad it's not just me! grin Nothing particular right now. I was just checking for any new versions. Well, I guess I would sure like a fix for the Tranzeo/MT problem. Not the MT patch, but a proper fix from Tranzeo. And for Christmas I want a firmware for the Tranzeo AP's that doesn't lock up! Merry Christmas all! marlon
Re: [WISPA] It's time again for those New Years Resolutions
Nice post Charles. I have known you for a few years. You are one of the most driven people I have ever known. I like the fact that you live your life to be a success in all you do. More importantly, you are sharing how you make things happen for you. Too often we live our lives without sharing our successes and how we achieved them. When I reflect on the last year of things I have read here that made me really think about how I do things your posts float to the top. This post in particular has me thinking more about the mechanics of actually achieving more in my life. Good men succeed in all they do. Great men teach their friends to succeed. I hope you have a very prosperous and Happy New Year, Charles. I know we all will if we live our lives with half the desire to achieve more as you have outlined. Warmest regards, John Scrivner On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 9:00 AM, Charles Wu (CTI) c...@cticonnect.comwrote: Fulfilling Your Dreams - Five Easy Steps As we say farewell to 2008 and welcome 2009, it's time to shine. What an idea juncture for reflecting, planning and determining what our dreams really are and how we will achieve them. How many of you have already established your resolutions (goals) for 2009? If you take this process to heart, it can transform every aspect of your life. I've been a dedicated goal writer since high school, and herein I will share some notes and ideas about the process from my personal journal. Insufficient Education Studies suggest less than 4 percent of people in the United States set written goals. The same studies show that many of that 4 percent are among the wealthiest people in the nations. When I ask people why they don't set goals, they often say they don't know how or they've just never done it before. Indeed, most people spend more time making grocery lists than planning for their most cherished dreams. Isn't that unbelievable? We go to school for a dozen or so years before graduating from high school. Afterwards, many of us go to trade schools, colleges or universities. We learn many important disciplines in school, including math, history, economics, literature, science and so forth, but we miss one critically important skill: goal setting. We obtain degrees, get pats on our backs, and go out into the world. We may be full of knowledge and hope, but are generally ill-prepared to design and pursue the lives we really want. Many of us didn't get this training at home because our parents have not been disciplined to write goals themselves. As a result, we fall into the 96% of the population that goes through life having never understood or practiced the art of setting and obtaining goals and dreams. How can you achieve that which you cannot see? How can you strive toward a mark that's not even defined? Whether you're already a goal setter, you used to set goals and quit, or you've never set goals, the following steps will help you build a better life. Let's welcome 2009 with clarity of purpose and a plan to achieve our goals. Step 1: What Dream BIG. Get a blank ledger pad and let your imagination run wild while you fill up your sheet of paper with everything you want to accomplish, become, experience or have. Many adults have lost their ability to dream, and that's unfortunate. By dreaming you instill hope for your future, and with hope, there's possibility. So your assignment is to take this advice seriously and make a list. During the coming week, devote at least one hour to dreaming. I want you to create a dream list filled with ideas. Your list should include at least 25 dreams pertaining to what you want to accomplish, become, experience or have. The page should have lines. Each goal should be to the left side of the line, with the remaining portion of that line left blank. Skip a line between your goals, leaving plenty of room to write beside each goal. You can separate your dreams into categories: family, education, work or business, travel, spirituality, personal objectives and so on. Think about what you would like to accomplish in your lifetime. What are your plans related to educating yourself and (for parents) your children. Where would you like your family to live? What type of house do you want? What kind of car? List several events you've always wanted to attend - perhaps concerts or sporting events like the Super Bowl or World Series. When you think you're done, consider exotic vacations you've always dreamed of experiencing with your family but have never been able to pull together. Most goals should be specific. Envisioning a nice home is not as effective as depicting a 3,000-square-foot, Tudor-style home with four bedrooms, three full baths and two living spaces, a new car is not as good as a black, BMW 5 Series with tan leather interior or a silver Lexus RX 350 with charcoal interior. Define how large you want your business to be. How many
Re: [WISPA] Domain name registrars
We have been affiliated with this group for many years. They basically allow you to be your own registrar. They do not compete with you and give you full control over your customer's domain registration processes. I am very satisfied with this company on all levels. http://opensrs.com/about.html Have a Happy New Year, Scriv On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Patrick Shoemaker shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com wrote: What companies are the operators here using for domain registration? I am looking to transfer my customers' domains to a new registrar. I am looking for a credible US-based company that does not have a huge setup fee and that does not employ any shady practices such as holding domain names for ransom when they expire. -- Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ptmp gear
What is the crossroads radio platform? I have never heard of it. Any link to information about it is appreciated. Thank you, John Scrivner On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 2:32 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Dennis - I already beat you to the punch. Don't steal my glory :) The crossroads is FCC certified. On 12/31/08, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Are there FCC certificed cards to run at 5.2/5.4 with MT? __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ptmp gear Mikrotik! :) -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Alan Long wrote: I am looking for a ptmp(ap/cpe) solution, 5.2/5.4/5.8 ghz, need to be able to support about 25 feeds into several ap's. Need it to be cheap, but work..Will have complete los and the longest link will be .25 miles. Trying to link 25 buildings in a multi housing setup. Thanks for any help. http://www.aerowire.net Alan Long Director of Network Operations Aerowire http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmapaddr=687+North+Dean+Roadcsz= Aubu rn%2C+AL+36830country=us 687 North Dean Road Auburn, AL 36830 mailto:alan.l...@aerowire.net alan.l...@aerowire.net tel: mobile: http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?lang=ensrc=jj_signatureTo=33427599 98E mail=along5...@yahoo.com 3342759998 http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?lang=ensrc=jj_signatureTo=3360 92E mail=along5...@yahoo.com 336092 https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30065206883src=client_sig_212_1_card_jo ini nvite=1=en Always have my latest info http://www.plaxo.com/signature?src=client_sig_212_1_card_sig=en Want a signature like this? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] New WISPA Vendor Member - Aperto Networks
I would like to welcome an old friend here to WISPA membership. Many of you have known Patrick Leary for years as a friend of the WISP industry. Patrick has recently joined forces with Aperto Networks. Today Aperto Networks is a Vendor Member of WISPA and Patrick Leary as their representative within our membership. Please join me in welcoming Patrick Leary and Aperto Networks as WISPA's newest Vendor Member. Here is a little information about Aperto Networks straight from Patrick Leary: Aperto is very proud to join WISPA, the premier voice and advocacy organization for WISPs. In celebration, we will later today offer a special WISPA-members only WiMAX promotion that will make it easy for any WISP to give a top WiMAX solution a try. Aperto Networks is the only home grown and U.S.- based WiMAX equipment provider. As an 802.16 pioneer, Aperto was founded in 1999 solely to make and offer outdoor wireless broadband solutions using 802.16. It provided signficant key technology that created the 802.16 standard and is a charter member of the WiMAX Forum. Aperto's entire product line is WiMAX-based and it provides solutions in all 5 GHz bands, the 4.9 GHz public safety band, 3.65 GHz, the 2.5 GHz BRS/EBS bands and a range of international bands centered around 3.5 GHz. With over 25 link-optimizing patents or patents-pending that comprise Aperto's secret-sauce, Aperto offers the highest QoS than any WiMAX system, as well as packet per second more than twice other solutions. These and Aperto's cost-effective products, make the systems ideal for voice and data double play WISP business models. The Aperto of today is easy to do business with. Our WISP effort has the support and commitment of the entire Aperto executive team and we've re-structured to serve North America. We hope you'll give us a fair hearing as you move forward in your businesses. You can reach us at sa...@apertonet.com or visit us at www.apertonet.com. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Surplus Tranzeo 900 Radios for sale
We are NOT an equipment vendor by trade. We have several Tranzeo 900 MHz radios that are used but in perfect working condition. (Used but works like new) We are migrating our 900 MHz systems from Tranzeo over to Canopy over the next year or so and we will be selling these as we get them in. These are all removed from operation in good working order with full mounting hardware, power inserter and power supply. I believe we have 25 of these right now and more to come soon. $250 each OR BEST OFFER gets them all. Send a note to m...@mvn.net or call him at 618-244-6868 with your maximum quantity requested and your offer. Credit card or cashier's check accepted. You will be charged for shipping unless you wish to pick them up in Mt. Vernon, Illinois. Returns for DOA only and only within 7 days of date of delivery. Again the contact is: Mike Scrivner m...@mvn.net 618-244-6868 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FW: Voip commercial
Nice ad! I think people will like it. Please let us know how you positiojn this and how it sells over time. I have not made a VoIP play yet and am looking forward to hearing from other WISPs about how their VoIP deployments are going. Thanks! Scriv On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Ron Harden rhar...@voxcorp.net wrote: George: One of our engineers helped me figure out how to play your radio ad (see below). I like it - it's hard-hitting, direct, and conveys a clear message. I doubt that Qwest will like it though. :-) It will be interesting to see what type of penetration rate you achieve, and whether you bring in more broadband customers at the same time as a result of the broadband/VoIP bundle. Assuming this works, you will have a pretty low acquisition cost-per-sub. Ron _ From: Neil Abramson [mailto:nabram...@voxcorp.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 8:19 AM To: Ron Harden Cc: 'Suzanne Urash' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Voip commercial Yes I can. The trick is to not input the whole URL into your browser. Try this: input only http://www.oregonfast.net/gofast/Radio into your browser. It will come up with Index of /gofast/Radio and will show 3 files: Parent Directory, 09-17-08 Fire your phone company.mp3, and sp04221.mp3. Click on 09-17-08 Fire your phone company.mp3 and it will play, either using Windows Media Player or Quicktime (or whatever software you have designated to play .mp3 files on your computer). -Original Message- From: Ron Harden [mailto:rhar...@voxcorp.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:39 AM To: nabram...@voxcorp.net Cc: 'Suzanne Urash' Subject: FW: [WISPA] Voip commercial Neil: I cannot play it, can you? -Original Message- From: George Rogato [mailto:wi...@oregonfast.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Voip commercial The radio station sent me this new ad for my voip offering. Can I get some feedback on it, what if anything should change? http://www.oregonfast.net/gofast/Radio/sp04221.mp3 Thanks George WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango 900
We find that about 45 CPE per AP is max without some speed / latency issues creeping up. We sell mostly 768k connections. Scriv On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: They do 3Mbps total bandwidth... so however many subs you can get on there at whatever speed they are OK with... ;) We have some with 60+ subs. Travis Microserv Al Stewart wrote: I know some of you are using Trango 900s. So could I trouble you for some observations based on your depth of experience with this equipment. Sort of a simple question. In your experience, how many 900 SUs can a single 900 AP handle before speeds are affected? How many can be accessing simultaneously with serious damage to the bandwidth? Al - Al Stewart stewa...@westcreston.ca stewa...@kootenay.com - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations
Can you share a brief explanation of what all Mikrotik N-Stream does? I know you can set up two radios (one up and one down) but I do not know what else it can do. We have some Mikrotik in the air now and would like to start taking advantage of this if it has real advantages. Thank you, Scriv On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: second this!! :) So far seeing good results as well with the new R5Hs and N-Stream too ;) -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Blair Davis wrote: A pair of Mikrotiks, radio cards and all, under $1K and you should be able to do 20Mbit. Pat O'Connor wrote: Andrews Antenna P3F-52-NXA 5.8GHz backhaul radio died today because of a power surge. Old Proxim gear, 2 x T1. I wanted some feedback from vendors/users of what they are using. I need to keep it under $5K if possible. Link distance: 8.3 miles Antennas: Andrews P3F-52-NXA WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mac Dearman
Mac Daddy! I am praying for you brother! You need to just take care of you for a while now. Let us know if you need a hand while you are down. I am sure we can get some help down your way. You will heal. Do not let this get you down. Scriv On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.comwrote: Our good friend and fellow WISP operator Mac Dearman is in the hospital after suffering chest pains on Saturday. It was determined that he did have a heart attack and he will be undergoing further tests tomorrow at the hospital in Shreveport. Please send your thoughts and prayers to Mac and his family right now. Mac is a great friend and a true American hero - lets help him get through this. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PING?
Mac is stable. He still has tests to be done. I talked to his wife, Sharon, a little while ago. Keep Mac and his family in your prayers please. Sharon says their network is running fine. I told her to let me know if they need help and we would work to get someone there to help if they need anything. I am sure we can pull together and help Mac if he needs it. Scriv On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 10:13 PM, CHUCK PROFITO cprof...@cv-access.comwrote: PINGING, I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANYTHING FROM THE LIST SINCE MY POST AT 9:46AM. ANY WORD ON MAC? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PING?
All I know is that he is in a hospital in Monroe, La. right now and that he will likely be moving to a different place soon (I do not know where and Sharon does not either). I should have thought to ask for a room number but did not. If you learn anything more please let me know. Thanks, Scriv On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 6:43 AM, Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.netwrote: Scriv, Do you have a room number? We'd like to send something to him. Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] PING? Mac is stable. He still has tests to be done. I talked to his wife, Sharon, a little while ago. Keep Mac and his family in your prayers please. Sharon says their network is running fine. I told her to let me know if they need help and we would work to get someone there to help if they need anything. I am sure we can pull together and help Mac if he needs it. Scriv On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 10:13 PM, CHUCK PROFITO cprof...@cv-access.comwrote: PINGING, I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANYTHING FROM THE LIST SINCE MY POST AT 9:46AM. ANY WORD ON MAC? -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Mac Dearman Update
I just got off the phone with Sharon Dearman, Mac's better half, and they are getting ready to transfer to a new hospital in Monroe for a heart catheterization. His condition is what is known as unstable angina. This does not necessarily mean he is in any big trouble though. He is eating real food. He has no heart pain right now. He is doing well all things considered. I told Sharon that we were all praying for them and that we would be ready to mobilize if needed (I told her Jim and Kaleb Patient were ready to go right away if needed). She told me all is well with the network there. She will text me with their location info and status once his heart cath is completed. I will forward to all as soon as I know this. Scriv On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Jim Patient sa...@jeffcosoho.com wrote: Hey Mac, Not sure if you are checking mail. I left a msg. on Sharon's phone. I'm all healed up from my surgery so if you need us Bro, just give me a holler. Kalob and I can jump in the van and come give you a hand with anything you need. Take care of yourself. Jim 314-565-6863 Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Our good friend and fellow WISP operator Mac Dearman is in the hospital after suffering chest pains on Saturday. It was determined that he did have a heart attack and he will be undergoing further tests tomorrow at the hospital in Shreveport. Please send your thoughts and prayers to Mac and his family right now. Mac is a great friend and a true American hero - lets help him get through this. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] planning 802.11 Wi-Fi for extremely dense areas
This company provides the only logical solution for high density, high availability 802.11X indoor enterprise connectivity that I know of outside of Cisco. http://www.arubanetworks.com/ You cannot do what you are asking unless you have some centralized AP controller capable of adjusting the RF power levels, frequency, etc. for every AP in real time. The Aruba platform also offers things definitely needed in an environment like this such as rogue AP detection. All conference centers, enterprises, campuses, etc. should have rogue AP detection as a matter of best practices. Scriv On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 4:32 AM, Rogelio scubac...@gmail.com wrote: Within the last few weeks, I have gotten several inquiries about setting up 802.11 wireless access services for thousands (1000-5000) of people in a conference sort of area (assuming 100% subscription rate, which I think is sort of unreasonable, but that's another story), and I have told them that based on what I know, the 802.11 protocol breaks at those numbers. Is there any 802.11-based solution that can handle this density? The only way I have seen people get around it (like at the Superbowl press areas with tons and tons of people) is to try to offload a significant number of users on Ruckus devices using cat5. Does anyone have any suggestions here? In these situations, I would just probably put in a ton of smaller access points and then turn the power WAY down and then plan some sort of non-overlapping channel plan with 802.11a and 802.11b/g. I have heard of other solutions (e.g. Proxim) having soft limits on numbers of associations one each AP so that they can, at least, guarantee good coverage with the few who are able to associate to that access point. Anyone have any other ways around this? Based on what I know, access points (fat or thin, regardless of the model) crap out at around... --about 250 MAC associations --about 50 client associations --about 25 hardcore user sessions Any and all advice on the topic is welcome (even if it is to just tell me I'm stupid for even considering talking to these customers!) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] planning 802.11 Wi-Fi for extremely dense areas
And working with the likes of Cisco, Lucent etc. pretty well guarantees failure. laters, marlon Marlon, I am afraid I have to disagree with you on this one. There are many massive deployments (hundreds of APs in one campus) around the world using both Aruba and Cisco as their 802.11 infrastructure. Neither of these are a best fit for most WISP type deployments but they most definitely are the best for very large campus type environments. I would estimate that over 75% of very large campus environements are successfully deploying secure, reliable and scalable 802.11 using Aruba and Cisco. I do not sell or own equipment from either of these vendors so please know my perspective here is based solely on what I have read from the accounts of many system administrators involved in campus deployments. I have built smaller campus deloyments using WISP based systems as you have descibed but if I had to a large scale campus deployment there is no doubt for me that Aruba or Cisco would be the platform of choice. Scriv - Original Message - From: Rogelio scubac...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 2:32 AM Subject: [WISPA] planning 802.11 Wi-Fi for extremely dense areas Within the last few weeks, I have gotten several inquiries about setting up 802.11 wireless access services for thousands (1000-5000) of people in a conference sort of area (assuming 100% subscription rate, which I think is sort of unreasonable, but that's another story), and I have told them that based on what I know, the 802.11 protocol breaks at those numbers. Is there any 802.11-based solution that can handle this density? The only way I have seen people get around it (like at the Superbowl press areas with tons and tons of people) is to try to offload a significant number of users on Ruckus devices using cat5. Does anyone have any suggestions here? In these situations, I would just probably put in a ton of smaller access points and then turn the power WAY down and then plan some sort of non-overlapping channel plan with 802.11a and 802.11b/g. I have heard of other solutions (e.g. Proxim) having soft limits on numbers of associations one each AP so that they can, at least, guarantee good coverage with the few who are able to associate to that access point. Anyone have any other ways around this? Based on what I know, access points (fat or thin, regardless of the model) crap out at around... --about 250 MAC associations --about 50 client associations --about 25 hardcore user sessions Any and all advice on the topic is welcome (even if it is to just tell me I'm stupid for even considering talking to these customers!) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Mac Dearman Update
Sharon just updated me about Mac. He has had his cardiac cath and is now resting in his room. He is medicated and will be sleeping for a while. It sounds like things went about as good as they can with a heart problem. He is at the St. Francis Medical Center in Monroe La in room 203. He will be going home tomorrow. I would assume calls or visitors today may not be such a good idea. I am guessing he would like to hear from folks tomorrow. I have sent flowers in the name of WISPA to him at the hospital. I am sure glad to know he is doing well. I am sure all of you who know Mac are glad to hear this also. He is one of the really good ones in our industry. He is a true friend to me and many of you I am sure. Get well soon Mac Daddy! We miss you man! Scriv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Imail Server Upgrade Trouble
We upgraded our Imail server this morning from version 8.15 to the latest release of Imail version 10. In the process our web interface has decided to ignore our mailboxes. If anyone out there has some experience with troubleshooting mailbox rebuilding issues in Imail then please call me at 618-237-2387 as soon as you read this. Your help is appreciated. Thank you, John Scrivner WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?
I spoke before the millmeter wave IWPC group about 3 years ago. My message to them was to stop selling at high margins per radio pair and sell millions of units at lower margins. They thought I was nuts. I met a guy from Intel who was making millimeter wave radio devices out of CMOS instead of SiGe. It is like the difference in cost of building radios out of rust instead of diamonds (quote from my friemnd Jack Rickard). Sadly this group is still sticking to old ways. If we ever see CMOS millmeter wave radios taking off then we will see $1K GigE radios. Then everyone gets a gigabit. Scriv On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: Brad, I agree to a point. But we could be competing with FIOS to the Home, with lower price 60 and 80Ghz products. Look at Xbox, using technology that once only the military or Hollywood could afford, but now is bring satisfaction to millions of kids (and adults) nationwide. Technology is all about the race to the bottom, so the technology's use can be maximized by the largest number of people. My kid just got a Happy meal toy, that actually talks. Its amazing how cheap technology can be made. I don't think the FCC made 80Ghz rules just for the few people that can justify the cost structure of Bridgewave. 80Ghz is MOSTLY going unused. And its because manufacturers are letting their marketing ideas, stand in the way of getting product in providers hands. I should not have to pay $30k to use 80Ghz frequency, if I have a project that isn't worth that much. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Half mile? Ours is almost 2.5miles in an RF unfriendly rain zone. The link has been up for more than a year and the client has been thrilled. So thrilled in fact that we've got another planned for them with a roadmap of more to follow. They're happy with the price and we're happy with the profit at that price. No reason to race to the bottom with yet another product when the market clearly supports the current price point. Again, what are the options available today that can produce 1Gbps with AES256 encryption at line speed? The encryption alone can be valued at $10k - $20k depending on who you ask. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:24 PM To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? I fully agree. I'll add... the value of millimeterwave is 80Ghz, to actually have a license for next to free. The FCC created that for provider's benefit, not for manufacturers to charge us more and put the savings in their pockets. The truth is that 80Ghz takes the same cost to make as 60Ghz. But for some reason the manufacturers try to charge s premium, a lot more for the 80Ghz. I get pissed off everytime I think about it. It just holds the industry back for no good reason. We aren't to the $8000 figure yet including licenses, but we are getting really close with Trango Apex's. Its just a matter of time, before Trango adds 24Ghz to their line. And Dragonwave is doing 24Ghz pretty darn close to the goal. Thats my point on why 80Ghz vendors need to get it togeather and rethink their business plans. Their high profit ride on the specialty short range market, isn't going to last forever, when 24/23Ghz can do it for 1/3 the price. Most people would rather save money. They are going to have to bring 80Ghz to the $8 range to keep making sales, before to long. I'm not knocking the Bridgewve technology, its a great product. Sure for that half mile link, it can really get the highest capacity to its buyer. But how many of those $30k links will a WISP need? Maybe 1 or 2? I can count 500 buildings off the top of my head that can justify use of a $10k radio. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? A customer came to us looking for gigabit speeds between buildings and had the money to pay for it. So, we quoted an 80GHz link w/2ft antennas with over 2 hours of down time and a licensed Dragonwave link that would do 300Mbps w/5 minutes of downtime at half the price. Once they saw both in the proposal, the response was, We really don't need a full gigabit. 300Mbps should be fine. We have both 60 and 80GHz
Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?
Butch said: Yes. I have said for over 2 years that MPLS is more a marketing ploy than a necessary technology. I remember standing in front of Brad Belton's office discussing this exact subject. MPLS is likely to be a necessary item for some JUST to be able to sell the same product. Cisco does this all the time. They help corporations and government entities write up RFQs with requirements that include Cisco specific capabilities. Really pisses me off sometimes. :-) Butch, I agree with much of your thoughts here but the one above does not seem right to me. I read up on this some to make sure I was not mistaken. MPLS is supported by many vendors and is being touted by many to be the replacement for other platforms like ATM. Here is a quote from the Wikipedia article that Nathan had referenced which I believe substantiates that MPLS is an open platform supported by multiple vendors: It (MPLS) was a Cisco proprietary proposal, and was renamed Label Switching. It was handed over to the IETFhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Engineering_Task_Forcefor open standardization. The IETF work involved proposals from other vendors, and development of a consensus protocol that combined features from several vendors' work. Obviously Cisco is used by so many that they have pull but they did not keep MPLS for themselves. By making it an open platform they have taken the high road I think. Had they not then I would be pissed to have it be part of RFPs also. Please note that I prefer to use Imagestream and Mikrotik for all of our routing work so I am not just trying to be Mr. Cisco here. In this instance though I think Cisco was not out of line in their support for and promotion of MPLS. I am guessing that the day Imagestream or Mikrotik develops a protocol variant that becomes an open standard used by multiple vendors that you will be very proud to tout it in your proposals.:-) Scriv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Thanks all!
Glad to hear there was no damage! Awesome news! As for the quite smoking incentive, I hope it doesn't take that much for some others (me included). I just have to quit liking it. :-( I have to give credit where credit is due. I smoked from age 16 for at least 20 years. I must have tried unsuccessfully to quit smoking 20 times until I finally gave it to God and told him he would have to take that one. You have to be careful what you pray for though. So I asked God to take the smokes away and help me not like them any longer but asked if he could do it with something a little less severe than cancer. The next day when I got out of bed I could no longer be around smoke at all. The smell made me sick to my stomach and I would have sinus and breathing issues even being around the smoke. I never smoked again and to this day have no cravings. For any of you who smoke you know that is miraculous. That was a few years back. Those of you that know me well know I am the farthest thing from a model Christian. I guess my point is that this had to work really good for me to make these statements. If any of you want to quit then hit me offlist and we can talk more. Mac, we are glad you are well brother! (Physically anyway...the jury is still out on your mental status!) Cheers, Scriv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] [WISPA Members] Wireless Mapping Website
Brian, You have my complete network already in map form in fine detail. You have my blessing to add it to my company profile in the mapping system. Scriv On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: If a WISP has a version of their network footprint drawn in Google Earth or as a KML/KMZ file I can accept that directly. Keep in mind this map is not automatically created. I have to do the overlay by hand. If you send me an update I may very well wait until there are other updates before I create a new version of the map. It make more sense for me to do the work with batches of data. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: Rick Harnish [mailto:rharn...@onlyinternet.net] Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 4:44 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Cc: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com Subject: RE: [WISPA] [Motorola II] [WISPA Members] Wireless Mapping Website Travis, I'm pretty sure that Brian told me during Animal Farm that he would accept a shape that defines your coverage area. He can address this himself. Rick From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 3:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] [WISPA Members] Wireless Mapping Website Rick, Is there some way to make this easier? We cover a ton of zip codes (towns as small as 50 people). It would be easier to just draw on a map... or even if we could provide GPS coordinates (like the four corners of a square)? Travis Microserv Rick Harnish wrote: I believe as Brian gets the new data from Matt and has time, he updates it.How long that takes, I do not know. Rick -Original Message-From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] OnBehalf Of Mike HammettSent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 2:38 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] [WISPA Members] Wireless Mapping Website How often is that map updated? -Mike HammettIntelligent Computing lutionshttp://www.ics-il.com - -From: Rick Harnish rharn...@onlyinternet.netSent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 1:01 PMTo: 'Motorola Canopy User Group' motor...@wispa.org; memb...@wispa.org; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.orgSubject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] [WISPA Members] Wireless Mapping Website Sorry Guys, I forgot to post the website.http://www.wirelessmapping.com/Google%20Maps3.htm From: motorola-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:motorola-boun...@wispa.org] OnBehalf Of Rick HarnishSent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 1:47 PMTo: 'Motorola Canopy User Group'; memb...@wispa.org; 'WISPA General List'Subject: Re: [Motorola II] [WISPA Members] Lobbying Donations So Far Here is what has been documented so far. If Matt doesn't have zip codes ofthe coverage areas, there is a 10 mile circle drawn around the officeaddress I believe. That is why it is important that everyone registersthere zip codes. I would like to see that map turn YELLOW over the next fewweeks. From: motorola-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:motorola-boun...@wispa.org] OnBehalf Of Ben WiechmanSent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 1:29 PMTo: 'Motorola Canopy User Group'Subject: Re: [Motorola II] [WISPA Members] Lobbying Donations So Far Is there a working copy of Brian's map available for us to verify coveragethat we have entered into the directory and ensure accuracy? Ben Wiechman From: motorola-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:motorola-boun...@wispa.org] OnBehalf Of Rick HarnishSent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 12:20 PMTo: memb...@wispa.org; 'Motorola Canopy User Group'Subject: Re: [Motorola II] [WISPA Members] Lobbying Donations So Far Jason, First Question: This lobbying effort is to guide the policy and rules thatare written once the Broadband Stimulus Act is passed through Congress,which the Obama Administration wants done by Feb. 16th. I don't knowanything about a bailout plan. Our lobbying efforts will try to insure thatat least a portion of the funding granted by this act will be reserved forsmall to medium size companies and we will also be seeking to identify WISPsas credible Broadband providers in many underserved areas of the country.All of our efforts will be to support the WISP industry as the variousGovernment departments work through Second Question: We are working in partnership with WISP Directory andBrian Webster's Wireless Mapping to get a better idea on the actual WISPcoverage across the United States. We need all WISPs to go towww.wispdirectory.com and check their company information and add the zipcodes they cover. Once those records are updated, Matt Larsen sends theinfo to Brian and he generates a estimated coverage map by drawing circlesaround the center of each zip code reported. It is not perfect by any meansbut it is aggregate data that we can use to prove the scope of our
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion
Alvarion products perform admirably and generally do not fail. I do not think we have ever replaced a piece of Alvarion gear in our network. You will pay a premium for this level of performance. Scriv On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Al Stewart stewa...@westcreston.cawrote: Does anyone have any experience with Alvarion wireless products? Al WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] National Map update - over 600, 000 square miles covered
I know West Texas is blanketed with WISP coverage. I sure hope some of those guys step up to help. I like seeing my splat of yellow on there in Illinois! Thanks Brian. :-) Scriv On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: Today's updates put the National WISP footprint at 605,487 square miles. I continue to have a huge outpouring of support from WISP's who want to provide their network coverage data. I thank each and every one of your for supporting this project. My Google maps version has been updated and I have attached the latest static map image. http://www.wirelessmapping.com/National%20Map.htm Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Senate to cut Rural Broadband from Stimulus Bill!
I believe this is a move that is happening to make the House and Senate bills more closely aligned. Steve Coran also stated similar thoughts regarding this move. The House bill had $6 Billion for broadband. The Senate package allocated $9 Billion. Once both bills pass they must go to Committee for a new version to be voted on by both House and Senate. Clearly the dollar amounts must meet in the middle which means that the Senate ir proactively getting their borabdand dollar amounts in line with what has already passed the House. I know it is comfusing but creating new laws is something that is a little tough on purpose so as to stop knee-jerk legislative actions, or at least I think that is the reason behind the convoluted steps created by the process. Some of my high school civics lessons are beginning to float up through the fog that is my poor abused brain. :-) Scriv On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 7:55 AM, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.comwrote: The Senate agreement pared from the bill $20 billion for school construction, $2 billion to expand broadband access in rural areas, $3.5 billion to make federal buildings more energy efficient and $200 million for NASA. It also reduced a proposed subsidy that would allow the jobless to buy health insurance through their former employers. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103sid=adnIDRZKZQJwrefer=us This is NOT good. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Service in Mt. Carmel IL
The local provider is likely Access Us http://www.accessus.net. I serve about 60 miles west of there. Scriv On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Martha Huizenga mar...@dcaccess.netwrote: Hi all, I got a service request from someone in Mt. Carmel IL. They said their friend has us and told them to go to accessusa.net - which is a domain I own, but it goes to my web site for DC Access. Anyone serve this area? If so, contact me offlist and I'll give you her contact info. Thanks Martha -- Martha Huizenga DC Access, LLC 202-546-5898 */Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!/**/ Connecting the Capitol Hill Community /* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Berber carpet
You need to use a sharp razor knife to cut a slit about 3 inches long along the grain of the carpet. Then hold the carpet to the side as you drill. Scriv On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 10:09 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: How do you guys drill holes through berber carpet withour pulling the threads? I have the cutting tool but thread still grab onto the drill bit. I've thought about finding a metal tube to put the drill into so it doesnt catch the carpet. Thoughts? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] It can mean everything
I used to say our government had no place in broadband. One thing happened that changed my thinking to some degree. A small rural town called Bluford, Illinois used to have no broadband until a few years ago. At that time I never used 900 MHz gear because it was out of my budget. Bluford was full of trees. It is a very poor community which led me to believe they could not afford the high price of 900 MHz CPEs. Basically Bluford defined the Digital Divide. My attitude toward USDA grants was They should stay out of this but if someone will get the money it might as well be me. I shot for the moon. I budgeted for Waverider 900 MHz (The only 900 MHz gear available at that time) and a new tower. I asked for free installs for all residents. I ran surveys of every person in town. In short I did everything the USDA required of the grant and then some. I even went to broadband conventions and told others how to apply for grants. Then a miracle happened. My grant was funded. I received $310K to build service into Bluford. It was the nicest setup I had ever done. The people of Bluford were ecstatic. Over 60% of all residents bought service. We built a free community technology center at the local grade school. We gave free broadband to the schools, the village hall, the fire department, etc. as a condition of the grant. Bluford was doing great. Still, this had not really changed my thinking that Uncle Sam should keep out of the broadband business. One child did change my mind. An 8 year old boy in Bluford got leukemia shortly after we setup the new broadband there. Dad and son, alone, faced the dark days ahead. These people were poor folks facing the horrors of cancer. Despite all this adversity and gloom the boy had only one major mental obstacle which really cut to the core for him. He could not face the prospects of having to be held back a year of school. You see, he was forced into isolation from killing off his immune system as a consequence of the bone marrow being destroyed and replaced. He desparately wanted to finish school with his class. The schoool called me and asked if we could help with the broadband grant program we had won. We did. We bought a pan-tilt-zoom camera and set it up on a roll around cart along with a speakerphone in his classroom. We installed broadband in his home for free using 900 MHz radios to bust through the trees. The boy attended classes virtually through this system. He beat his cancer. He also finished his year with his fellow students. How much is this worth? It seems to me that this particular broadband application is much like the Priceless description we see in those VISA commercials. But let's try to put a dollar amount on it. Is it worth $310K to be able to do this? Is it possible that this one boy's hope alone is worth $310K and the fact that the whole town now has broadband is a bonus? Maybe it is ok to let our leaders lead for a change. I have seen many bad things come from bad government in my 43 years on this earth. I have been fortunate enough to see some good things too. Until recently I thought cynicism was going to rule the day forever in regard to government. I thought patrotism was dead. I thought the American Dream had faded and spoiled into a nightmare. Sadly the government has done much to amplify those feelings. Regardless of your politics you have to be worried. Maybe it is ok to have hope too. Maybe we should try for once to say that we will take our leader's lead and try to stimulate our economy through broadband deployment. I am willing to give it a shot. Maybe this will not work but maybe it will. What if success or failure of this program is more dependent on how we make use of this program than whether or not the program is right or wrong? This is possibly the most unique opportunity of our lives. The government is basically telling us they want us to save the country. They are opening up the bank and saying to us, What would you do to make broadband a stimulating force to aid this country's economy if money was not a barrier to your success? I am going to have to step up and be part of the solution. I hope all of you do the same. John Scrivner President - Mt. Vernon. Net, Inc. Trweasurer - WISPA On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 11:16 PM, rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Not me. If it's wrong, it's wrong. I'm not going to say it should not be done and then go after the money for myself. I'd have to hide my face forever.Money comes and goes. Conscience is forever. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Me? I'm gonna go for as much grant money as I can get. What else can we do? marlon Well, whatcha gonna do
Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now
Consider Imagestream (http://www.imagestream.com for your high end routing. They are high quality and lower cost than other high-end routing solutions. Fantastic support and rock solid platform for routing. Scriv PS. They are a WISPA Vendor Member also. On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Dylan Bouterse dy...@corp.power1.comwrote: We're getting off Cisco soon too. Moving to Juniper, maybe sooner than later now! Dylan -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 12:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now So far we haven't seen any adverse effects, but we're not running BGP with Cisco routers. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 11:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now That AS was sending corrupted AS PATHs, which among other things has been causing significant amounts of route flaps due to Cisco bug CSCdr54230. Ciscos effected are losing their BGP session when they encounter the AS PATH. Upstreams like us have busy routers because of all the flaps. The community is filtering the AS right now pending resolution. -Matt On Feb 16, 2009, at 12:22 PM, Dylan Bouterse wrote: I just had some BGP issues with one of my peers. Is this related you think? Please expand on the reason for the email. Dylan -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 12:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.18/1936 - Release Date: 02/05/09 11:34:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.18/1936 - Release Date: 02/05/09 11:34:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] It can mean everything
We were never told we had to use anything from any approved list of vendors. I do know that Waverider did become a USDA Approved Vendor after we had our grant but we were not told we could not use them. We did help get Waverider listed as an approved Vendor at that time after the fact. I think it is simply having the vendor provide some general information about making sure they are an Equal Opportunity Employer, they don't cause environmental destruction, they don't support terrorism, yadda yadda... We had to do the same thing to become USDA approved to receive the funds. There are some hurdles to being qualified for receiving federal funds but most of it was stuff we needed to do anyway like making sure all of our accounting was in proper order. What I foiund was that many of the things that make your company qualified to receive federal funds can be easily accomplished with some time with your attorney and accountant. It was well worth the effort in our case. Scriv On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: In regards to the USDA grants, doesn't the choosen equipment have to be certified for use with USDA funds? So you could deploy Alvarion/Trango/Canopy but you can't use something like Staros/Mikrotik/Tranzeo??? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 1:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] It can mean everything well John's is a wonderful story. With $8billion, I see no reason why as an industry we can't replicate John's story 26,000 times. There are obstacles and risks in everything in life. But battles can be won. We already wons several battles on the terms of the new stimulus bill. I see no reason why we can't win more battles shaping the bill. The biggest advantage a WISP has is they have a pre-existing self sustaining business already, to build upon. That should increase the chances that an existing WISPs will win grants. It also means we have to ask for the money, because if we don't, someone else will. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 1:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] It can mean everything John, What you did for the community and the individuals in that area is very cool. Something you should be proud of for the rest of your life. However, let's play the other side of this Broadband Stimulus package. What if, because of all this free money, two new competitors come to this area? And what if they all deploy 900mhz? They really have nothing to lose because they don't have any customers right now anyway. And it's not their money that is having to pay for all the equipment, etc. so even if it doesn't work, they don't care. So, what if this new money brings all these government leaches out, right into the wireless broadband market? What if you wake up tomorrow and have 2 or 3 new competitors in your area? What about if they start using 3.65 along with all your deployments? Again, they have nothing to lose because it wasn't their money and they don't care if they cause problems for anyone else, because they are collecting $250k per year salaries and they will ride it until it dries up. This whole package could be a HUGE mess for our entire industry. :( Travis Microserv John Scrivner wrote: I used to say our government had no place in broadband. One thing happened that changed my thinking to some degree. A small rural town called Bluford, Illinois used to have no broadband until a few years ago. At that time I never used 900 MHz gear because it was out of my budget. Bluford was full of trees. It is a very poor community which led me to believe they could not afford the high price of 900 MHz CPEs. Basically Bluford defined the Digital Divide. My attitude toward USDA grants was They should stay out of this but if someone will get the money it might as well be me. I shot for the moon. I budgeted for Waverider 900 MHz (The only 900 MHz gear available at that time) and a new tower. I asked for free installs for all residents. I ran surveys of every person in town. In short I did everything the USDA required of the grant and then some. I even went to broadband conventions and told others how to apply for grants. Then a miracle happened. My grant was funded. I received $310K to build service into Bluford. It was the nicest setup I had ever done. The people of Bluford were ecstatic. Over 60% of all residents bought service. We built a free community technology center at the local grade school. We gave free broadband to the schools, the village hall, the fire department, etc. as a condition of the grant. Bluford
Re: [WISPA] Berber carpet
Carpet has a grain. You cut a slit a few inches long along the grain. You can pull the carpet up over the bit, run the bit slowly and prevent creating runs in the carpet. Scriv On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 8:26 PM, John J. Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com wrote: Is there any reason you don't just cut an X in the carpter and then trim it? John -Original Message- From: John Scrivner [mailto:j...@scrivner.com] Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 08:18 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Berber carpet You need to use a sharp razor knife to cut a slit about 3 inches long along the grain of the carpet. Then hold the carpet to the side as you drill. Scriv On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 10:09 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: How do you guys drill holes through berber carpet withour pulling the threads? I have the cutting tool but thread still grab onto the drill bit. I've thought about finding a metal tube to put the drill into so it doesnt catch the carpet. Thoughts? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] [Sarcasm Alert] Yippee! Sprint owns the NTIA
Does anyone know the stock symbol for the company that makes KY Jelly? I think that is where I will be moving my portfolio to. I'll just go ahead now and predict that Sprint / Clearwire end up with a minimum of $3B, likely more. TODAY'S SPOTLIGHT... Former Sprint exec tapped as NTIA deputy director The Obama administration has named a former Sprint Nextel executive, Anna Gomez, to serve as deputy director of the National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA), which will handle as much as $6.65 billion in new stimulus wireless and broadband grants that will be available to Sprint and its competitors. Gomez, former vice president of government affairs with Sprint, is currently acting director of NTIA, which influences the president's telecom policy within the Commerce Department. NTIA spokesman Bart Forbes said in an interview with the Wall Street Journal that Gomez understands that the public has every right to be concerned about her role in a potential broadband grant program, because of her history with Sprint. She is discussing this with the ethics office and will look to remove herself from the decision-making process for grant applications where appropriate, he said. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL products
We are sync'd in our thinking. :-) Scriv On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Cameron Kilton c...@midcoast.com wrote: Am I the only one who wishes they had GPS timing available for Alvarion VL. Thank You, Cameron Kilton Broadband Department Assistant Systems Administrator Midcoast Internet Solutions http://www.midcoast.com/ c...@midcoast.com (207)594-8277 ext. 108 -- -- This e-mail message may contain material that is confidential or proprietary to Midcoast Internet Solutions. If you are not the intended recipient(s) or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of this message to the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender, destroy all copies of this message, and delete this message from your computer. -- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to know what you think.
Cons: No GPS sync Max of 32 CPE per base station CPE radio looks like somebody made it in their garage. Not a WISPA Vendor Member (even when we have asked many times for their support) Pros: Cheap Scriv On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.com wrote: Tranzeo now offers a low cost 3.65 basestation with CPE that is compatible with Redline's Redmax basestation and CPE. -Eric Pat O'Connor wrote: We're looking to deploy 3.65GHz this year in a couple of different locations because of interference issues. So far they have the most compelling price point. I'd like to know how well it works in the field. All opinions appreciated. Hit me off list if you want to.\ Thanks, Pat WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISPA Newspaper Article
Matt, Excellent article. Did you get the ball rolling with the press there through a press release? What led to the reason for the article? Knowing this could help others to gain access to this positive press. Congrats, Scriv On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com wrote: Its only the Scottsbluff StarHerald, but this was a nice write-up anyway http://www.starherald.com/articles/2009/02/22/news/local_news/doc49a0d84daaead679125026.txt Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower issue
Channels 12 thru 14 are not allowed to be used in the US. They are available in some other countries. Scriv On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:14 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, I caught something on your website. Whats with channels 12-14? I never tired those. -RickG On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Often good signal levels but rotten throughput. Or good signal to the customers and rotten at the ap. http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/survey.htm That's a good look at what interference can and does do to you if it's the wrong (right?) kind. I assume you've tried a different channel already? That's one of the first things I always do these days. marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue I agree but such a sudden change? I mean like day night. Interesting to contemplate though. What does interference look like if IT is affecting a tower? -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 11:08 PM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Never assume a problem is ever interference no matter how rural you are. This is one of the biggest problem I see people are doing. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 23:04:44 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue I agree with you and actually intend on replacing it. But, I doubt it's related since this setup has been running on this particular tower since 2004 (I bought the company this way). Also, it is set up on several others with no issues. I failed to mention these towers are in very rural locations so I doubt there is any interference. -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Not sure if it's related or not, but high gain omni antennas are usually a great big no no. They tend to send more signal UP than in the direction of the customers. I'd replace it with an 8 or 9 db unit just on principal. You'll probably find that most customers will actually get a BETTER signal. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] tower issue OK, here a good one! (aka, how I spent my weekend in a blizzard!) One of my towers has a single WARP/StarOS connected to a 5GHz grid for backhaul and a 15dBi omni for the local connections. On Saturday, after making some small changes, I rebooted it and it would not allow me to connect via wireless any longer - or my customers :( So, I go to the tower, connect up via ethernet and everything is a usual but I see all associations but only a few client have ip addresses. I can ping the few clients but the packet loss is huge 80-90%. I then reload my backup but still get the same thing. I try changing channels, but still the same. I then systematically begin replacing parts starting with the radio card. Eventually, I replaced EVERYTHING but still have the problem. One note: occasionally, twice of maybe three times, after a reboot, all came back normal. The third time, I left well enough alone for now but of course, you know what will happen the next time I reboot. Any ideas??? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Mobility and Roaming was: Wifi outperforms Cellular and Wimax
Sadly WISPs have dragged their feet in development of true mobility and roaming. These features are the true differentiators of wireless broadband over DSL or DOCSIS. The cellular industry is more quickly adapting to the need to move to an IP centric platform for their mobile voice/data systems than we are in recognizing the compelling desire of everyone to have everything available to them everywhere with mobility. Land lines are going away and wireless MOBILE phones are increasing in quantity. WISPs may well lose out in the end if they do not band together to form interoperability standards for mobile IP, VoIP, roaming, etc. Last I checked there is not a single WISPA member network out there which is fully mobile with integrated roaming with another operator. Until WISPs do this they are doomed to a future of a decreasing position in the future of broadband industry market share. I predict that total customer counts served via traditional WISPs will max within 18 months and then down turn if we do not address the issues of roaming and mobility. If any of you have built a truly good mobility roaming gateway solution which allows for WISPs to tie their networks together and offer mobility then I welcome some feedback on the subject. What about truly mobile and roaming capable voice services over IP? Anyone out there ever build the equivalent of the ASN gateway for our networks? I am ready to start negotiating connection to this and right now we do not even have access to anything to connect to. Scriv On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Scott Parsons sc...@e-zy.net wrote: This was very interesting: http://www.muniwireless.com/2009/02/03/muni-wifi-outperforms-cellular-and-wi max/ Way to go WISPS! Scott WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp
So Reader, are you saying you have a 3.65 GHz license and have registered your 3.65 GHz access points and end user locations through the FCC ULS? I did not recall seeing a Star OS 3.65 FCC certified system. You are required to use FCC certified equipment and to register every AP and customer location using this band. If you do not then you are breaking the law. Since you are using WISPA list resources to discuss this as a system option for 3.65 GHz I expect to see a full answer from you here on this. Scriv On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:42 AM, rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: I am. Works ok. Using Star-OS. I use ok to designate an unenthusiastic, but affirmative statement that it works. 3.65 seems to have unique propagation qualities that are affected by snow, rain, and fog, moreso than 5 or 2.4. Or, that's how it seems. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:29 AM Subject: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp Anyone using 3.65 for ptp? What is available? Can ubiquiti's cards be used in mikrotik? brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp
Have they managed to get the FCC to release the full 50 MHz channel space for this product yet? Scriv On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Matt Liotta mlio...@r337.com wrote: We've been using the AN80 3.65 PtP with great success. -Matt On Mar 3, 2009, at 10:29 AM, Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Anyone using 3.65 for ptp? What is available? Can ubiquiti's cards be used in mikrotik? brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mobility and Roaming was: Wifi outperforms Cellular and Wimax
On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: This is an interesting idea But, different operating frequency's, different proprietary equipment, I'm not sure it is practical. One of my 'neighbors' uses Canopy on 900MHz. Another is using Trango on 900MHz, I think. Another is 2.4GHz 802.11b/g. I use 2.4GHz, some b/g, some proprietary, some 900MHz proprietary, 5.8GHz Netstream... The list goes on... That is just another symptom of the problem. This group refuses to standardize on anything. Congrats when we all innovate ourselves into obscurity. Without standardization we will never have roaming or mobility. Are we really all still so small-minded as to think we can survive as little islands of innovators without integrating standards based roaming and mobility as part of the systems we all deploy going forward? What is your long term goal? To be a stop-gap until the future Rural Broadband Act of 20XX where the government finally runs a fiber to every place where there is a phone line and a power service? It will happen. mobile users go with a cell carrier and accept the high costs and low speeds. Until 2011 when I predict the cellular carriers will be reporting more wireless broadband subs than the total WISP industry marketshare combined. Mobility and roaming are not just neat toys. They are THE market differentiators for wireless broadband and this group largely has their collective head in the sand. Patrick Leary got it for a while and then for some reason un learned the facts. I certainly hope I am wrong so you guys can all make me buy you a beer someday when I am then found to be mentally deficient. Something tells me this group simply chooses not to look at the future in a realistic way. I genuinely hope I am wrong. I guess the questions I have for this group is, Why not accept that I may be right? What harm is there in attempting to build mobility and roaming into our networks around standards? Would this not simply add more value to our networks? Scriv John Scrivner wrote: Sadly WISPs have dragged their feet in development of true mobility and roaming. These features are the true differentiators of wireless broadband over DSL or DOCSIS. The cellular industry is more quickly adapting to the need to move to an IP centric platform for their mobile voice/data systems than we are in recognizing the compelling desire of everyone to have everything available to them everywhere with mobility. Land lines are going away and wireless MOBILE phones are increasing in quantity. WISPs may well lose out in the end if they do not band together to form interoperability standards for mobile IP, VoIP, roaming, etc. Last I checked there is not a single WISPA member network out there which is fully mobile with integrated roaming with another operator. Until WISPs do this they are doomed to a future of a decreasing position in the future of broadband industry market share. I predict that total customer counts served via traditional WISPs will max within 18 months and then down turn if we do not address the issues of roaming and mobility. If any of you have built a truly good mobility roaming gateway solution which allows for WISPs to tie their networks together and offer mobility then I welcome some feedback on the subject. What about truly mobile and roaming capable voice services over IP? Anyone out there ever build the equivalent of the ASN gateway for our networks? I am ready to start negotiating connection to this and right now we do not even have access to anything to connect to. Scriv On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Scott Parsons sc...@e-zy.net wrote: This was very interesting: http://www.muniwireless.com/2009/02/03/muni-wifi-outperforms-cellular-and-wi max/ Way to go WISPS! Scott WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp
I did not realize there was as FCC emission designator and grant of approval assigned to that radio. I would love to read the FCC approval on that radio. Do you happen to have a link to that? I previously sent out a step by step guide for everyone to use for registering their AP and client locations using the Redline system as an example. It was a doc we worked on at MVN for about a month and sent it to the FCC for their approval. It was given out for free to our paid up WISPA members to save them the month work we spent in making sure we did our filings by the book. I would not expect that you have anything like that but would you care to share what the specific details (emission designator, FCC grant #, etc.) are that you have used for your location filings using the XR3? Thank you, John Scrivner On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: The FCC ULS requires that you enter the FCC ID of the radio that is being used, along with it's characteristics. That is easily done with an XR3 card. No where during the registration process does it say the radio and antenna and everything else has to be certified as a system. I can complete a perfectly legal 3.65 registration filing, answering every single question honestly, using an XR3 card, inside an ARC antenna/enclosure with an RB411 board. Travis Microserv John Scrivner wrote: So Reader, are you saying you have a 3.65 GHz license and have registered your 3.65 GHz access points and end user locations through the FCC ULS? I did not recall seeing a Star OS 3.65 FCC certified system. You are required to use FCC certified equipment and to register every AP and customer location using this band. If you do not then you are breaking the law. Since you are using WISPA list resources to discuss this as a system option for 3.65 GHz I expect to see a full answer from you here on this. Scriv On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:42 AM, rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: I am. Works ok. Using Star-OS. I use ok to designate an unenthusiastic, but affirmative statement that it works. 3.65 seems to have unique propagation qualities that are affected by snow, rain, and fog, moreso than 5 or 2.4. Or, that's how it seems. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:29 AM Subject: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp Anyone using 3.65 for ptp? What is available? Can ubiquiti's cards be used in mikrotik? brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mobility and Roaming was: Wifi outperforms Cellular and Wimax
The problems are numerous. Building a scalable solution that will fit multiple operators is a real challenge. Some of the challenges will potentially require you and your proposed partner to make significant network design changes. If you have an interest in such a project, let's get together (we can meet in Cape sometime) and see what we can come up with. I was actually thinking about you some when I wrote this. You and I had discussed how you had built some of the earliest working parts of what I have been describing. I would love to brainstorm on some of this with you in more detail at some time. The sad part is that I see little incentive to build this as few WISPs have any real desire to build interoperable, roaming capable, mobile IP network services as I have described. I think the problem is less about the spectrum, technical, platform and financial barriers than it is about the lack of interest to actually make it happen from the majority WISP perspective. I have little doubt we CAN do it. I just doubt anyone really WANTS to do it. Maybe a few will hit us offlist who wish to attempt to build this next generation mobile WISP network and we can put together a work group to build it. Scriv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream forthentiameetingstoday
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Denise Hamilton den...@rapidsys.com wrote: Coming across complaining about lawsuits, the local governments, the telcos, etc. is not a good way, in my humble opinion, to come across and successfully make policy in what we should be doing to make rules for grants. I trust when WISPA represents us on Thursday we come across better then the New America Foundation. Sorry but we never like to hire people that only complained about their last employer... Can you provide more detail about the complaining you are referencing above. I did not see it. I was at the doctor earlier today and missed it all. :-( Scriv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ARTICLE - What's the U.S. Doing Wrong with Broadband ?
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 9:50 PM, John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com wrote: If you are big enough, or if you are multihomed you can get PI space But you only get 3.14 addresses at a time. :-) (Sorry, could not resist) Scriv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth
Have you priced building your own fiber? If costs are that high and fiber transport is that scarce then you could certainly find many who would buy an exit ramp on your information super-highway if you build your own fiber. It has a life cycle of up to 30 plus years so you should be able to stretch out the loan over many years. I am looking at this myself. I think that it makes sense on long runs like this to consider fiber. Pricing has come down considerably. Just my 2 cents worth. Scriv On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Because it's 200+ miles away and crosses state lines. It would be at least 10 hops. Tower space is roughly $250/month around here so that's $2,500 per month just for the towers... then you have maintenance, equipment cost ($100k) and it would only save me about $1,000 per month. Travis Microserv Harold Bledsoe wrote: Those of you that are paying $50/Mbps, what is keeping you from building your own backhaul to cheaper bandwidth (wireless, dark fiber, etc.)? It seems to me that this would be a major consideration in the business plan as this is a big MRC. Don't wait for someone to bring you cheap bandwidth...go get it! :-) -Hal WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth
That comes to $24,288 for 20 miles aerial fiber with 64 strands. Obviously this does not include easements, make ready, labor, etc. but obviously the costs to put in fiber have dropped considerably over the last few years. What brand fiber / supplier quoted you this if you do not mind me asking? Thanks, Scriv On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 1:48 PM, D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: I was just quoted .23 per foot for 64 strands. Figure 8 type construction. Dry, loose tube. ryan -Original Message- From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 12:20 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth What is the cost of aerial fiber these days? I know it depends on number of strands and technology, so if someone were going to do this in a small city, what type would you want to use? Around here, the electric company gets around $8/yr/pole to use their poles. Under normal conditions, how many poles are there in a mile. I pay $1325/mth for two T1's from ACC. I am in a rural cooperative area, and the loop cost account for 2/3's of that to go about 40 miles. The local rural telco priced me fiber at $2500/mth for 10/10 meg, and a $2500 install fee. They now have metro ethernet and I can get 6/6 meg for $1300/mth. I will probably go this route soon, if I can not find a better alternative. Cable co. is privately owned here and the owner despises us, so that is OOTQ. I can get a shot to fiber 16 miles north that is $1500/mth for 10/10 meg from a public cable company. I will need to rent tower space at one end and buy the backhaul equipment, plus being in very stormy area, have to worry about lightning 8 - 10 months out of the year. I can not see me coming out this way at a savings of $1000/mth for quite sometime. Most tower companies here are Crown Castle and other big names that ask cell phone company rates to get on their towers which are at least $750/mth. Their are other alternatives I have not explored, such as building my own tower at the other end, or renting from the cable company tower that may be much cheaper. The fiber route mentioned had me interested. It is about 20 miles by road to the same location that the 16 miles shot is. I know the cost will be way higher, but I could then use the fiber in the towns along the way to offer service. About 5 miles of this road way area does not have any broadband at all. I could also offer an alternative to the local rural telcos fiber, which has 0 competition at this point. And last but not least, I would worry much less about lightning. As fiber looks to be the way of the future if we want to stay in business, it is something to look at that is not out of the question. I just do not have any idea about the costs of laying the fiber. We have our own bucket trucks and work crew, so that cost is already incurred. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 12:12:39 -0500 A lot of this is educational for me, but I do have a couple of thoughts. If you are having to hop microwave 10 hops to get to your intended target, would it not be possible to put an AP on each tower along the way, providing service to those areas also, to help subsidize the costs? And what about aerial fiber? There is a LOT of it in use around here. Yes, you would have pole attachment fees, but most of you are pretty good at coming up with deals involving providing bandwidth etc to the people who own the poles. Just some thoughts, probably not worth what you are paying for them. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth It's true that it is a big expense and it's not an easy task. But, we just got a franchise agreement from our city for fiber. The way they calculate it is either on a per foot basis, or a percentage of revenues across the fiber. Naturally we did the percentage, but another company that brought submarine cable through our city is paying a yearly per foot. So with the percentage based system, the cost are easier to consume for city wide. As for the boring, thats what I'm wrestling with right now myself. Back in 2000 or 2001 we laid conduits up a couple streets to get some fiber going. We didn't even have a franchise agreement with the city, but it was sanctioned by them anyways. What we did was to buy the pvc ourselves and hired a prison crew to dig. I live on a sand dune, so digging is much easier here than places with harder soil types. One of the excavators I used work with when I was an
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
I do not care to see people trashing each other's business models whether they are cash poor, cash rich or someplace in the middle. I am actually glad to see some data on this particular model because I think it actually could work well with $3.6M in yearly revenues. I think it is impressive. I wish we could all gain access to some of this spectrum, big cash, licensed WiMax gear and build it out. That does not mean I think it is the only model nor do I trash the occasional cash strapped guy building his first Wi-Fi POP with his VISA card nor the typical WISP operator who took out a second mortgage or similar pound of flesh financing to launch his first few towers using unlicensed. God bless all of them. I think we should all try to respect that each of us have a different approach. I certainly do not pretend to think I have all the answers and I appreciate those who share what they do to make their model work. I sense some sour grapes here due to this network being built in your territory. If you think it is a poor model then steal all their customers and teach them a lesson. Tell us how you did please. That would tell a far more compelling story than just trashing their model on the list. Scriv On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Plus the cost of the 2.5ghz license in our area... which I heard they paid like $7,000,000 for (in an area with 50,000 population)... plus the licensed backhauls (Ceragon 18ghz in a ring), plus tower rent (they are on the most expensive towers in town). No wonder they are blowing through investor money faster than they can get it... LOL Travis John Rock wrote: Hmmm 4 sector 2.5 Ghz system 1,000,000 deployment 4000 users paying you $74.99 for Voip and Data from your deployment It all works Priceless Do the math John Rock Director of Operations - Senior Engineer Wireless Connections 166 Milan Ave., Norwalk, Oh. 44857 ACCessing the Future Today!! ofc. 419.660.6100 cell 419-706-7356 fax 419-668-4077 http://www.wirelessconnections.net/ http://www.wirelessconnections.net This transmission and any files attached to it, may contain confidential and/or privileged information and intended only for the named recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, retransmission, dissemination, disclosure, copying or any use of the information or files contained is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender by reply transmission and delete this electronic mail. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 7:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Hi, We have BridgeMaxx in our area. They are using 2.5ghz licensed with Alvarion WiMax equipment. This is the top of the line, $50k per sector type stuff. Then I can also tell you that we are seeing a LOT of antennas that have to be mounted outdoors, on a tripod with a 10ft pole to get over the trees. The NLOS doesn't seem to be working very well, especially on several of these the tower is less than a mile away. So they spent $250k per tower x 4 towers in our area and they are still having to roll a truck and do an outdoor install. And this is even with 2.5ghz licensed. It makes me happy to see one of their antennas mounted outdoors... that's means they lost even more money for that install... :) Travis Microserv John Rock wrote: Matt, I have pictures to show you... Believe it or not? John Rock Director of Operations - Senior Engineer Wireless Connections 166 Milan Ave., Norwalk, Oh. 44857 ACCessing the Future Today!! ofc. 419.660.6100 cell 419-706-7356 fax 419-668-4077 http://www.wirelessconnections.net This transmission and any files attached to it, may contain confidential and/or privileged information and intended only for the named recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, retransmission, dissemination, disclosure, copying or any use of the information or files contained is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender by reply transmission and delete this electronic mail. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 3:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? On Mar 19, 2009, at 3:18 PM, Chuck Bartosch wrote: However, that (obviously) means it's not particularly viable in many situations where you don't see enough customers to support a wimax base station. But because 3.65 with diversity is supposed to deliver NLOS performance similar to or better than 900 MHz, you can see customers you wouldn't otherwise see. I can tell you for a
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
From your side of this it certainly sounds like you have the edge on them in the long haul. Investor money will only last so long. I am surprised it is still there at all if that is all that keeps them afloat as you are implying. At this point I wish I could get a real look at their books and compare to their model assumptions. It would be an interesting story to read I think. I am sure I would learn things. I know that bloated mobile wireless business models seem to work for some like Verizon and ATT doing mobile voice and data. I have seen fixed licensed WiMax biz plans that show a projected profit by year 4 with seemingly realistic assumptions. Whether the guys you are up against are following this plan is something we just do not know. I know that many models do not accurately predict churn, rate erosion, penetration and competitive threats. A plan has to do more than look good, it has to be right. I am guessing very few wireless models are within 20% of projections after 3 years. After 5 years I am guessing the model is more like 50% plus or minus at best. What I see in contrast for most good WISPs is that they generally are able to hold or increase ARPU, have low churn and deal admirably with competitive threats. WISPs do not risk enough for their model to ever really break. Most WISPs suffer in the penetration area due largely to poor spectrum assets. This poor spectrum, non-exclusivity, low power equates to poor coverage areas. It is hard to have good penetration when you cannot serve people who ask you for service. This last issue is why WISPA has worked so hard for access to TV Whitespaces. It is one of the few things holding us back from more explosive growth as an industry. I wish the FCC would get off their butts and expedite getting us this spectrum with reasonable rules that we have been lobbying for for 5 plus years! If they would we would not even need the broadband stimulus plan to see explosive growth in this industry. Scriv On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Let's see where to start... first, I don't like people or companies that waste money. These guys are blowing through money because it's not their money, it's investor money, so they don't care. The people making the decisions are employees. They will make $200k per year in salary, ride it for as many years as investors keep putting money in, and then they will just go find another job. Example 1: They purchased 4 brand new vehicles (Chevy Tahoes) for their managers to drive. They then spent $2,000 per vehicle doing vehicle wraps on them. They also do not have $3.6M in yearly revenue from just our community. My guess would be they have as many as 3,000 subs right now but they also sell service as cheap as $17.95/month for college students. I would guess their ARPU is around $30. So, running the numbers (again, this is just our small community): 3000 x $30 = $90,000/month income. Less salaries, tower rents, bandwidth, etc. Let's say for fun they are making $50,000 per month gross profit. They spent almost $1,000,000 on just the equipment in my area (population 50,000). So that's 20 months for ROI for just the AP and backhauls... not counting the $400 CPE they are installing at each customer. That also does not count the 2.5ghz license they had to purchase for millions. I do not believe that a good, sound business requires investment money every year to keep running. This is no different than a Cable company or Telco business model... WAY too much fat and too many managers and not enough people actually doing the work. Their business model does not work if they continue to lose money every month... unless they continue to find stupid investors to keep sinking money into a failing business. And I don't need to steal all their customers we have more pending installs than we can keep up with I have hired two installers in the last two months and we are looking to hire another. We currently have over 100 pending installs. We are doing 140-150 new installs per month. We have no outside investors. We own our entire infrastructure free and clear. We have no debt. Our 2008 year was our biggest year ever (gross revenues up 10.2% and profit was up 15.4% over 2007). We don't carry the fat and extra overhead that many companies do... if an employee is gone (installer, receptionist, dispatcher, whoever) we notice it. We run a very lean, tight ship. We never have people just sitting around with nothing to do. Last, for what it's worth, we are picking up about 1-2 of their customers per month. This is without us doing ANY advertisting (except yellow page ads), and no sales people at all. Seems to be working... WITHOUT investor money. :) Travis Microserv John Scrivner wrote: I do not care to see people trashing each other's business models whether they are cash poor, cash rich or someplace in the middle. I am actually glad to see some data
Re: [WISPA] Radius authentication
It has already been stated but worth stating again. Free Radius would do the job. If you are not comfortable setting this up yourself you should consider paying a consultant on here. We have a few good ones which are Vendor Members of WISPA. I use some of these guys myself from time to time and they have done good work for me. I will let them call on you as opposed to naming them and possibly leaving someone off the list by accident. If I were you though I would only use consultants who are Vendor Members of WISPA. It is their dues that pay for this free list service which you are using to find your help. They should get at least first shot at our business in my opinion. Scriv On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Alan Long alan.l...@aerowire.net wrote: I currently have an ip3 authentication gateway at my headend that everyone passes through. They currently have an access code that is housed on the ip3, but I want to move the authentication piece off that box over to a radius server, so when I replace the ip3(which they are no longer in business and I have no support), my authentication piece will not be lost. Aerowire Alan Long Director of Network Operations alan.l...@aerowire.net 687 North Dean Road Auburn, AL 36830 tel: 3342759998 mobile: 336092 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Rock Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 8:53 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radius authentication What are you setting up a radius server for? Certain providers have authentication you can use for certain purposes for cheap...or even free with other services. Free Radius will work for almost all services but you will need to run it all yourself, if you are prepared to that then great otherwise farm out large scale domain and authentication services. Again what do you need it for? John Rock Director of Operations - Senior Engineer Wireless Connections 166 Milan Ave., Norwalk, Oh. 44857 ACCessing the Future Today!! ofc. 419.660.6100 cell 419-706-7356 fax 419-668-4077 http://www.wirelessconnections.net This transmission and any files attached to it, may contain confidential and/or privileged information and intended only for the named recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, retransmission, dissemination, disclosure, copying or any use of the information or files contained is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender by reply transmission and delete this electronic mail. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Alan Long Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 9:29 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Radius authentication I need to setup a radius server and wanted to ask what you recommend/use. I have used steel belted radius in the past , but it has been a long time. I basically just need to be able to setup usernames and password auth off my gateway box. Thanks for any suggestions, and of course free would be nice... http://www.aerowire.net Alan Long Director of Network Operations Aerowire http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmapaddr=687+North+Dean+Roadcsz=Aubu rn%2C+AL+36830country=us 687 North Dean Road Auburn, AL 36830 mailto:alan.l...@aerowire.net alan.l...@aerowire.net tel: mobile: http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?lang=ensrc=jj_signatureTo=3342759998E mail=along5...@yahoo.com 3342759998 http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?lang=ensrc=jj_signatureTo=336092E mail=along5...@yahoo.com 336092 https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30065206883src=client_sig_212_1_card_joini nvite=1=en Always have my latest info http://www.plaxo.com/signature?src=client_sig_212_1_card_sig=en Want a signature like this? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.21/2014 - Release Date: 03/24/09 16:00:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] spoiled generation
George, This may well get my pick as my favorite YouTube video of all time. I really enjoyed it. Thank you! Scriv PS. Here is me playing drums on Bealle Street in Memphis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoX0ZkTbK6E (Poor quality video/audio but one of the best times of my life) On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 6:01 AM, George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoGYx35ypus WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Waverider EUMs for sale
We have 30 surplus used Waverider 900 MHz EUMs and power supplies for sale. These units were all fully functional when removed from service. Guaranteed no DOA.. Asking $100 each or best offer. We will split these up if you do not want all 30 of them. Contact m...@mvn.net offlist to arrange for purchase. We will accept VISA or Paypal. Scriv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] List Test - Ignore
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[WISPA] Test Again - Ignore Again
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Re: [WISPA] FCC Releases New Rules on 4.9 GHz
How is this different than what we already had in 4.9 GHz? Thank you, John Scrivner PS. I would watch the presentation if you can forward me a link. On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Kevin Suitor ksui...@redlinecommunications.com wrote: All, Thought this might be of interest since there have been many threads on this in the past months. By the way, Redline offers Part-90 approved AN-80i solutions for this band. If you missed it, we ran a public webinar yesterday on public safety applications. Hit me off-list and I will point you to the archive of the webinar. Best Regards, Kevin Redline Communications Inc. Kevin Suitor Vice President, Marketing Business Development 302 Town Centre Blvd. Markham, ON L3R 0E8 CANADA o: +1 905.948.2299 f: +1 647.723.0451 m: +1 416.508.1252 Skype: ksuitor e-mail: ksui...@redlinecommunications.com Web: www.redlinecommunications.com Advancing Broadband Wireless - Putting WiMAX in Motion P Think green before printing this email WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] VOIP Adapter for digital PBX over wireless
This is not supported. For this to work the interface would have to be capable of replicating all the digital PBX signals from end to end (digital phone to PBX port). Currently only analog PSTN replication is supported or pure VoIP. Digital PBX systems (non-VoIP) do not fall under either category. The closest you can do to replicate this functionality is to use a single line analog station port from a PBX to allow for star codes and such to be forwarded through a standard PSTN single line phone back to the PBX. To do what you are requesting using a PBX digital phone would require a new interface design that has not been built. This is likely possible if you want it bad enough. There may even be a market for such an interface. The maker of the digital PBX may even be willing to work with you on such functionality if they have enough call for this themselves. When you find your solution please share. I have struggled with how best to tie into my old PBX also and welcome feedback and how you skin this cat. I will likely build a complete new VoIP based PBX to solve it on my end. I have been wanting to learn more about VoIP anyway and this just seems to be the best way to do it. Nothing like eating your own dog food if you want to learn something! :-) Scriv On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Patrick Nix Jr. pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: What we are looking for is not really a converter, but an adapter that just extends one extension out of say a punch block over wireless to a remote office. So that they could plug in one of their digital phones into it and have a live extension. Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (918) 235-0414 http://www.csweb.net E-Mail: pni...@csweb.net ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VOIP Adapter for digital PBX over wireless Usually the phone guy has to install a interface board to give analog OPX in the PBX. Each system is proprientary so there is no after market converter that is universal that I know of. Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Patrick Nix Jr. pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 09:11:10 To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] VOIP Adapter for digital PBX over wireless Any suggestions for a reliable inexpensive point to point voip adapter that will carry a digital phone extension across wireless to a remote office. Here's the scenario: A manufacturing environment needs to extend a phone extension out to a guard shack. The wireless network is already in place, and they are currently extending an analog extension there using multitech voip gateway. Any suggestions for exchanging this for something that will handle digital Thanks Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (918) 235-0414 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: pni...@csweb.net mailto:pni...@csweb.net ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] Promotion
Why not go ahead and sell them the service over this? Just have it take them to the signup page and process their credit card, add to radius, activate service? Scriv On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: I got towers. Lots of them. Many don't have any kind of wireless service anywhere close, some don't have any kind of high speed service of any kind. I would like to put up on some of them, for a fairly short period of time, something like a hotspot, say a cheap router that people can connect to, they see a splash page that says If you are intersted in HIGH SPEED WIRELESS service, please call 800-467-2346 Then we could log the calls, take their information, and if enough calls were recieved we could start talking to WISPS in adjoining areas to see if someone might be interested in providing service there. A market study if you will. Who makes a cheap box that I could hook to an OMNI with such a thing? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
