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[WSG] Web Application Accessibility

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[WSG] Web Application Accessibility

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Re: [WSG] Jquery and/or Yahoo UI

Hi Simon, jQuery won't introduce any errors automatically, so unless you tell it to do something that will generate invalid HTML or CSS it will be fine. I assume the same is true of YUI. - Andrew Ingram Hi, Anyone using jQuery (http://jquery.com/) or Yahoo UI (

Re: [WSG] document.getElementById slow?

Hi Simon, Direct access will always be faster, here's how the methods work: getElementById has to recurse through every child element (the approach of the recursion may vary from browser-to-browser) until it finds an element that matches the id and then it breaks out of the loop and returns the

Re: [WSG] Semantics and small

Hi Blake, Garret Dimmon used small for the purpose you are suggesting in his site redesign. He explains his reasoning behind it in this article on digital web (http://www.digital-web.com/articles/coding_for_content/). It's down to personal preference but I think the reasoning is pretty good.

Re: [WSG] Server-side includes?

then server-side includes that have been implemented using directives for Apache or IIS will not work. (A PHP or ASP include directive will need to be used instead.) More on SSI: http://www.motive.co.nz/glossary/ssi.php HTH, -- Andy Kirkwood Motive: net communication -- with intent http

Re: [WSG] Standards and Aesthetics

://www.alistapart.com [2] Web standards checklist http://www.maxdesign.com.au/presentation/checklist.cfm Cheers, -- Andy Kirkwood | Creative Director Motive | web.design.integrity http://www.motive.co.nz ph: (04) 3 800 800 fx: (04) 970 9693 mob: 021 369 693 93 Rintoul St, Newtown PO Box 7150

[WSG] shrink-to-fit width in Opera

' and 'left' is not 'auto', then the width is shrink-to-fit . Then solve for 'right' Then the shrink-to-fit width is: min(max(preferred minimum width, available width), preferred width). Thoughts? Yours Andy Budd http://www.andybudd.com/ 01273 241355 07880 636677

Re: [WSG] shrink-to-fit width in Opera

or shrink to fit the available space. What exactly is a line break ? Does the end of a *floated* span constitute a line break in this context ? New line Yours Andy Budd http://www.andybudd.com/ 01273 241355 07880 636677 ** The discussion list

Re: [WSG] jump menu method (Out of office until Nov 23)

Hello, I am out of the office until Nov 23. I will have limited access to email so for any urgent queries please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] on (04) 474 3000 x8884. Thanks, Andy wsg 11/21/05 08:34 If you have to do it this way, and like everyone else I don't recommend it, then you could help

Re: [WSG] Good practice of CSS styled forms

Hi Goran, Our glossary provides a few form references, including usability, accessibility, styling, etc. Have reviewed the references up to a point. As per usual with the web, caveat emptor. http://www.motive.co.nz/glossary/forms.php Best regards, -- Andy Kirkwood | Creative Director

[WSG] Screen reader users: Label text for search field?

info -Glossary -Guides -News End select] Any screen reader users out there who would like to add their 2 cents/pence/pesos? Best regards, -- Andy Kirkwood | Creative Director Motive | web.design.integrity http://www.motive.co.nz ph: (04) 3 800 800 fx: (04) 970 9693 mob: 021 369 693 93 Rintoul

Re: [WSG] Wild metadata

with how they are generated and more with how people phrase search queries and use the web. You might find it useful to browse our glossary as it provides further info on search engines, folksonomies, metadata, etc. http://www.motive.co.nz/glossary . Best regards, -- Andy Kirkwood

Re: [WSG] Accessibility: Default placeholders

? (Seems like an instance of yes, we have no bananas: yes this is an input, but no you can't.) Best regards, -- Andy Kirkwood | Creative Director Motive | web.design.integrity http://www.motive.co.nz ph: (04) 3 800 800 fx: (04) 970 9693 mob: 021 369 693 93 Rintoul St, Newtown PO Box 7150, Wellington

[WSG] Label text for search input

their 2 cents/pence/pesos? Best regards, -- Andy Kirkwood | Creative Director Motive | web.design.integrity http://www.motive.co.nz ph: (04) 3 800 800 fx: (04) 970 9693 mob: 021 369 693 93 Rintoul St, Newtown PO Box 7150, Wellington South, New Zealand

RE: [WSG] Accessibility: Default placeholders

;). Unless the website is more of a web application. Any examples come to mind? å -- Andy Kirkwood | Creative Director Motive | web.design.integrity http://www.motive.co.nz ph: (04) 3 800 800 fx: (04) 970 9693 mob: 021 369 693 93 Rintoul St, Newtown PO Box 7150, Wellington South, New Zealand

Re: [WSG] Accessibility: Default placeholders

was displayed with as part of the form avoided that problem, while using the readonly attribute and styling the input text a medium grey took care of the rest. Cheers, -- Andy Kirkwood | Creative Director Motive | web.design.integrity http://www.motive.co.nz ph: (04) 3 800 800 fx: (04) 970 9693

Re: [WSG] Naked metadata - RDF in HTML

, and returned in SERP's. Here 'Naked metadata' *is* content. Unless the RDF scheme is used by the search engine algorithm, the naked records will not affect ranking. Best regards, -- Andy Kirkwood | Creative Director Motive | web.design.integrity http://www.motive.co.nz ph: (04) 3 800 800 fx: (04

Re: [WSG] Naked metadata - RDF in HTML

than just the ability to add or edit metadata records, its also the relevance of the values entered to the content, end-use of the records and the intended community. Food for thought anyway... Best regards, -- Andy Kirkwood | Creative Director Motive | web.design.integrity http

Re: [WSG] Naked metadata

metadata field in the header. Best regards, -- Andy Kirkwood | Creative Director Motive | web.design.integrity http://www.motive.co.nz ph: (04) 3 800 800 fx: (04) 970 9693 mob: 021 369 693 93 Rintoul St, Newtown PO Box 7150, Wellington South, New Zealand

Re: [WSG] css title styles

superscript element may make it difficult to hover or click the reference link (too small a target) Additional approaches to footnotes and endnotes: http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/www/fn.html Best regards, -- Andy Kirkwood | Creative Director Motive | web.design.integrity http://www.motive.co.nz

Re: [WSG] css title styles

. As usual, there's no 'silver bullet'... Best regards, -- Andy Kirkwood | Creative Director Motive | web.design.integrity http://www.motive.co.nz ph: (04) 3 800 800 fx: (04) 970 9693 mob: 021 369 693 93 Rintoul St, Newtown PO Box 7150, Wellington South, New Zealand

Re: [WSG] Help needed with IE drama...

: http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/dup-characters.html We've worked out that the issue was caused by the comments in the HTML file. Has anyone had this sort of issue before? If there a solution other then removing the comments? Best regards, -- Andy Kirkwood | Creative Director

Re: [WSG] advices for using headings more correctly

/index.php?2005/01/10/13-browsing-habits For more on the title element http://www.motive.co.nz/glossary/meta.php Best regards, -- Andy Kirkwood | Creative Director Motive | web.design.integrity http://www.motive.co.nz ph: (04) 3 800 800 fx: (04) 970 9693 mob: 021 369 693 93 Rintoul St, Newtown PO

Re: [WSG] Text choices on our own sites

(size, weight) have a 'home' in the real world. It all depends on who the client is and what criteria they're using to assess potential development partners as to how relevant standards and accessibility discussions are. Legal precedents can also carry a bit of weight. Cheers, -- Andy Kirkwood

Re: [WSG] Text choices on our own sites

. -- Andy Kirkwood | Creative Director Motive | web.design.integrity http://www.motive.co.nz ph: (04) 3 800 800 fx: (04) 970 9693 mob: 021 369 693 93 Rintoul St, Newtown PO Box 7150, Wellington South, New Zealand ** The discussion list for http

Re: [WSG] File sizes in links: kb KB mb MB etc.

MP3 players) than they can a kilobyte, kilobit or megabyte. My only concern would be that most sites seem to use (ambiguosly) one of the kb varieties. -- Andy Kirkwood | Creative Director Motive | web.design.integrity http://www.motive.co.nz ph: (04) 3 800 800 fx: (04) 970 9693 mob: 021 369 693

Re: [WSG] Radio New Zealand site relaunch

making the choice not to send styles to those browsers. Yah for clients prepared to make that decision :) -- Andy Kirkwood | Creative Director Motive | web.design.integrity http://www.motive.co.nz ph: (04) 3 800 800 fx: (04) 970 9693 mob: 021 369 693 93 Rintoul St, Newtown PO Box 7150

Re: [WSG] Radio New Zealand site relaunch

direct reference to the RNZ website? Best regards, -- Andy Kirkwood | Creative Director Motive | web.design.integrity http://www.motive.co.nz ph: (04) 3 800 800 fx: (04) 970 9693 mob: 021 369 693 93 Rintoul St, Newtown PO Box 7150, Wellington South, New Zealand

Re: [WSG] Firefox mystery space bug?

a big space at the bottom of my content before just before the footer as if I had a bunch of spaces in there. It doesn't always happen, but sometimes it shows up if I refresh a few times, then after another refresh it disappears. -- Andy Kirkwood | Creative Director Motive

Re: [WSG] Styling legends and fieldsets (Out of office until Nov 1)

Hello, I am out of the office until Nov 1. I will have limited access to email so for any urgent queries please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] on (04) 474 8884. Thanks, Andy wsg 10/20/05 08:43 It depends how you want to style it mostly times you can whip moz and IE into shape (with margin

Re: [WSG] Couple of question - Image Map etc.

to download each file introduces noticeable 'lag' (obviously more noticeable on dial-up than cable). Cheers, -- Andy Kirkwood | Creative Director Motive | web.design.integrity http://www.motive.co.nz ph: (04) 3 800 800 fx: (04) 970 9693 mob: 021 369 693 93 Rintoul St, Newtown PO Box 7150

RE: [WSG] Footer Navigation

glossary entry on navigation: http://www.motive.co.nz/glossary/navigation.php Best regards, -- Andy Kirkwood | Creative Director Motive | web.design.integrity http://www.motive.co.nz ph: (04) 3 800 800 fx: (04) 970 9693 mob: 021 369 693 93 Rintoul St, Newtown PO Box 7150, Wellington South, New

Re: [WSG] Dublin Core metadata

advantages are of using it and how widely it is interpreted by search engines. I am having a hard time finding out the right information, could anyone point me in the correct direction or maybe give some knowledge? Best regards, -- Andy Kirkwood | Creative Director Motive | web.design.integrity http

Re: [WSG] Zoom Layouts

accessibility requirements. References [1] What do I know http://whatdoiknow.org Cheers, -- Andy Kirkwood | Creative Director Motive | web.design.integrity http://www.motive.co.nz ph: (04) 3 800 800 fx: (04) 970 9693 mob: 021 369 693 93 Rintoul St, Newtown PO Box 7150, Wellington South, New

Re: [WSG] Zoom Layouts

; to ensure a consist/usable experience *across websites* rather than rely on controls that may or may not be available on a site-by-site basis. Might I suggest a magnifying glass over the 'T', or a '+' as an icon? -- Andy Kirkwood | Creative Director Motive | web.design.integrity http

Re: [WSG] avoid Verdana - I cant get the whole point.

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[WSG] H1 content

of the user. That said, there are a number of content distinctions that XHTML does not have a dedicated element for, and 'site owner' /'site name' is one of them. (Re: Andy Budd's blog.) As to whether there should be more than one h1 element per page, that depends on how you choose to break-up

Re: [WSG] Width defaulting to 100%?

horizontally to make room for whatever is contained in them - in this case only a few words? Cheers, -- Andy Kirkwood | Creative Director Motive | web.design.integrity http://www.motive.co.nz ph: (04) 3 800 800 fx: (04) 970 9693 mob: 021 369 693 93 Rintoul St, Newtown PO Box 7150, Wellington

Re: [WSG] Clearleft.com

as ems. I officially don't care about Opera so am happy to avoid using 100.0%; Yours Andy Budd http://www.andybudd.com/ 01273 241355 07880 636677 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail

Re: [WSG] Clearleft.com

. Anybody got any idea why the CSS validator should be throwing up an error on: line-height: 1; but is happy with line-height: 1.0; ? Looks like a bug in the validator to me. Yours Andy Budd http://www.andybudd.com/ 01273 241355 07880 636677

[WSG] CSS Validator Bug

the following code through the validator: http://www.andybudd.com/test/number.css which contains h3 { line-height: 1.0 } h4 { line-height: 1; } It says that 1 is not a valid number and thus marks your code as invalid! Yours Andy Budd http://www.andybudd.com/ 01273 241355 07880 636677

Re: [WSG] Clearleft.com

on the parent font size. So line-height: 1em; and line-height: 1; can produce very different results. In general, most people mean the latter, but use the former. Yours Andy Budd http://www.andybudd.com/ 01273 241355 07880 636677 ** The discussion

Re: [WSG] CSS Validator Bug

Might be worth reporting this to the validator people I did that straight off, but it turns out its already a known bug. Yours Andy Budd http://www.andybudd.com/ 01273 241355 07880 636677 ** The discussion list for http

Re: [WSG] Clearleft.com

On 21 Sep 2005, at 00:56, Lindsay Evans wrote: Hi Andy, Site looks great, nice and clean. And don't listen to any of these 'the font is too big' comments, it's just about perfect for my aging eyes (great, now I feel old : Thanks. Glad you like it. * I kind of expected the entire green

Re: [WSG] Clearleft.com

appreciate it. Yours Andy Budd http://www.andybudd.com/ 01273 241355 07880 636677 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **

Re: [WSG] Clearleft.com

me know if those screenshots were prior to the change, or if the problem is still there? Sorry to be a pain Yours Andy Budd http://www.andybudd.com/ 01273 241355 07880 636677 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] Clearleft.com

Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: BTW: can I keep/use those screenshots in case I want to write something about that old bug on my own site? They sure got the point through! As long as you mention that we fixed the problem and provide a link to the site, I don't see any problem with it. Yours Andy

Re: [WSG] Clearleft.com

and assumptions. Cheers PS - your personal website is quite nice however, clean, crisp, and the user will have the same experience every time they visit, regardless of the machine. Yes, I must sort that out. About due for a redesign :-) Yours Andy Budd http://www.andybudd.com/ 01273 241355

Re: [WSG] Clearleft.com

On 20 Sep 2005, at 18:33, Damian Sweeney wrote: Hi Andy, Great look and feel. I like the font sizes, they're refreshingly readable. One wierd issue though. In Firefox on Debian (sarge), trying to use the mousewheel dies half way down the page. I usually only encounter problems like

Re: [WSG] Clearleft.com

elaborate? Yours Andy Budd http://www.andybudd.com/ 01273 241355 07880 636677 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **

Re: [WSG] Clearleft.com

in the not too distant future to highlight interesting work. However I do think that the site is about the text rather than superfluous images, so we wanted to put the content at the forefront of the site. Yours Andy Budd http://www.andybudd.com/ 01273 241355 07880 636677

Re: [WSG] Clearleft.com

with all the traffic from the WSG :-) Yours Andy Budd http://www.andybudd.com/ 01273 241355 07880 636677 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints

Re: [WSG] tabbing through links

Watch out for IE keyboard navigation bug. Depending on your method for setting the destination anchor, things can go a little awry. For details, see: http://www.motive.co.nz/glossary/anchor.php Cheers, -- Andy Kirkwood | Creative Director Motive | web.design.integrity http

Re: [WSG] accessibility - opening new windows philosophy

/wcag-curric/sam77-0.htm So, I told my co-workers that I would throw this out to the standards community. Try to ignore any bias I may have. I would appreciate any honest feedback about whether we should open new windows for .pdf, .doc, .ppt, xls, .visio, or .whatever. Cheers, -- Andy Kirkwood

Re: [WSG] 'strong' as class name

READING http://www.devarticles.com/c/a/Web-Style-Sheets/CSS-shorthand-at-a-glance/2/ Cheers, -- Andy Kirkwood | Creative Director Motive | web.design.integrity http://www.motive.co.nz ph: (04) 3 800 800 fx: (04) 970 9693 mob: 021 369 693 93 Rintoul St, Newtown PO Box 7150, Wellington South, New

[WSG] Lynx current navigation state presentation

selected navigation state should be presented in Lynx? Is it using a leading ASCII character, b or i element? Cheers, -- Andy Kirkwood | Creative Director Motive | web.design.integrity http://www.motive.co.nz ph: (04) 3 800 800 fx: (04) 970 9693 mob: 021 369 693 93 Rintoul St, Newtown PO Box 7150

Re: [WSG] make poverty history website

stands that it's not theirs to write a spec for. However If you can show me the W3C page that details the Java spec I may change my mind :-) Yours Andy Budd http://www.andybudd.com/ 01273 241355 07880 636677 Come see me speak at @Media2005 in London, England, 9-10th Jun

Re: [WSG] make poverty history website

Nancy Johnson wrote: Is it true that the W3C has not done a spec for Flash?  If that is so why? Because Flash is a proprietary product! Yours Andy Budd http://www.andybudd.com/ 01273 241355 07880 636677 Come see me speak at @Media2005 in London, England, 9-10th Jun

[WSG] New Zealand Government Web Guidelines

. Cheers, -- Andy Kirkwood (04) 3 800 800, 021 369 693 93 Rintoul St, Newtown, Wellington ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **

Re: [WSG] Actual Page Dimensions[revised]

Cheers, -- Andy Kirkwood Motive | web.design.integrity http://www.motive.co.nz ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **

Re: [WSG] [on-topic]wireframes

to change, or you end up building in issues due to the fact that the prototype was built rapidly. I tend to use low-fi wireframes then hi-fi prototypes, usually output from the Phtoshop/Fireworks templates as regular table based HTML. Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com

Re: [WSG] validation logos - kitemarks?

they have been changes, but sometimes it's easy to forget, especially as most of the time it's not relay mission critical. Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http

Re: [WSG] Web counters

the page is requested) (visitor means unique ip in a given timeframe - like 24hrs) 3. Like said by Kornel Lesinski use Webalizer If you want I can give you my counter script. --just let me know -- even if you decide not to use it, you can learn from it. With kind regards Andy -- Registered Linux

Re: [WSG] Quirks DTD

text site and contrast, linarized tables etc. It worked fine on sites with a strict dtd. However most of the sites I tested didn't have a dtd, throwing the browser into quirks mode and screwing up my custom stylesheet. Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com

[WSG] Standard this

Kind regards Andy -- Registered Linux User Number 379093 Now listening to Top! Radio Live Stream -- Feel free to check out these few php utilities that I released under the GPL2 and that are meant for use with a php cli binary: http://www.vlaamse-kern.com/sas

Re: [WSG] Help on bug

the server With kind regards Andy --- Feel free to check out these few php utilities that I released under the GPL2 and that are meant for use with a php cli binary: http://www.vlaamse

Re: [WSG] Re: XHTML Strict alternative to ol start=11

Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Sorry, ended up being a cyclic argument, but you see what I mean...and *that's* what Andy meant (if I may be so bold as to make an educated guess) That's exactly what I meannt. Go for your life :-) Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com

Re: [WSG] Re: XHTML Strict alternative to ol start=11

as XHTML strict. And I'm guessing they probably aren't serving their pages up as XML so strictly speaking they are serving their pages up as HTML anyway. This kind of pettiness and misunderstanding of accessibility really gets my goat. It's a damn shame if you ask me ;-) Andy Budd http

Re: [WSG] Browser Checks

is misplaced. Obiviously your opinion differs from mine but that is no reason for insults or insinuations. Andy --- Registered Linux user number 379093 --- ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org

Re: [WSG] Browser Checks

it with a 90% accuracy regarding design and 100% accuracy regarding content.echo opened $what; With love Andy --- Registered Linux user number 379093 --- ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org

Re: [WSG] cover me -- I'm gonna be naughty!

explore all the options. :-) Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **

Re: [WSG] Standards?

faster than nested table layouts. Turning that on it's head, what's left for a client to get excited about? Fats loading, accessible pages that Google will love. Supplier independence, easier maintenance and faster time to market. Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com

Re: [WSG] Search Engines and CSS

advantage, contact Google and complain. I've a friend who's a professional SEO and one of the main things he and many of his colleagues do is report dubious sites. If after a month or so nothing has been done about it, then complain about it. Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com

Re: [WSG] Search Engines and CSS

to spam Google while hurting the more honest SEO's out there. Now where did I put my list of keywords, my doorway pages and my cloaking scripts? Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] accessibility statements

, they aren't doing any harm. Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **

Re: [WSG] a good accessibility primer

Justin Thorp wrote: http://www.digital-web.com/articles/accessibility_from_the_ground_up/ I did a presentation on Accessibility the other night. If you're interested, here are my lecture notes. http://www.andybudd.com/presentations/skillswap05/accessibility/ Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com

Re: [WSG] empty named anchors

moused-over (although not a link). From an interface perspective this can be quite confusing. (A feedback cue that suggests interaction is possible when it is not). Cheers -- Andy Kirkwood Motive | web.design.integrity http://www.motive.co.nz

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