Re: [WSG] Say no to CSS hacks with branching techniques

2005-10-10 Thread Al Sparber
From: James Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] One of the functions of this list and group is to implement best practices using W3C standards based development. These conditionals you talk about are a Microsoft addition to workaround bugs in their software (what happened to fixing the bugs?), like

Re: [WSG] Say no to CSS hacks with branching techniques

2005-10-10 Thread Michael Allan
James, I can see where you're coming from, and I'm all for the programming purity you're advocating, but I want to stick my hand up in support of Thierry's position here. In fact, I was in the process of assembling all these filters myself when he posted his link to this list, so I'm

Re: [WSG] Say no to CSS hacks with branching techniques

2005-10-09 Thread James Ellis
Thierry In what arcane alternate reality do comments drive code? You are still talking about a hack. How is using this different to parsing a User Agent string? different method but same result. Adding to this, it's not a valid way of writing your code, as mentioned on another thread. The

Re: [WSG] Say no to CSS hacks with branching techniques

2005-10-09 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Hi James, Adding to this, it's not a valid way of writing your code, as mentioned on another thread. AFAIK, the discussion you're referring to didn't take us anywhere. It has been said that Michael Landis summed up the thread pretty well saying: I think we're getting very close to a debate on

Re: [WSG] Say no to CSS hacks with branching techniques

2005-10-09 Thread Andrew Krespanis
On 10/9/05, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's totally irrelevant. If 2 days ago you knew your article was flawed then why posting a link to it? I only mentioned it because it was published exactly 365 days earlier on a very similar topic (linking CSS to html files). I was amused

Re: [WSG] Say no to CSS hacks with branching techniques

2005-10-09 Thread James Ellis
Thierry - Umm... the first result: http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=conditional+comments+are+evilbtnG=Searchmeta= is http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2005Apr/0027.html One of the functions of this list and group is to implement best practices using W3C standards based

Re: [WSG] Say no to CSS hacks with branching techniques

2005-10-09 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
James Ellis wrote: One of the functions of this list and group is to implement best practices using W3C standards based development. These conditionals you talk about are a Microsoft addition to workaround bugs in their software (what happened to fixing the bugs?), like coloured scrollbars

Re: [WSG] Say no to CSS hacks with branching techniques

2005-10-09 Thread Thierry Koblentz
James, One of the functions of this list and group is to implement best practices using W3C standards based development. These conditionals you talk about are a Microsoft addition to workaround bugs in their software (what happened to fixing the bugs?), like coloured scrollbars and DirectX

Re: [WSG] Say no to CSS hacks with branching techniques

2005-10-08 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Andrew Krespanis wrote: On 10/8/05, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry, but this doesn't make sense at all. Or is there an important detail I'm missing? ;) Yes, you're missing the part where this was written over 12 months ago That's totally irrelevant. If 2 days ago you

Re: [WSG] Say no to CSS hacks with branching techniques

2005-10-08 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: I have yet to see a good browser with solid CSS support, so solid doesn't mean flawless. I am not that naive ;) I don't think we can say completely no to CSS hacks anytime soon. But of course; this depends on how we define hacks, so it's well worth trying. That

Re: [WSG] Say no to CSS hacks with branching techniques

2005-10-08 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: That sentance leaves too many doors opened so I won't go there, but FWIW, I don't agree with you ;) Should there be a 'dis' in that sentence? Or? :-) ;) I like the chaotic mess we get when all doors are opened. Leaves me with a lot more options. I know. That's

Re: [WSG] Say no to CSS hacks with branching techniques

2005-10-08 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Thierry Koblentz wrote: IMO, hasLayout is a tough concept to grab. I think experiencing the result of the implementation of this fix is enough feedback for most people. It works or it doesn't. You sure got that wrong. Please, don't repeat it to others - they may believe you. AFAIK,

Re: [WSG] Say no to CSS hacks with branching techniques

2005-10-07 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Andrew Krespanis wrote: On 10/7/05, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would appreciate your feedback so I can improve this article: http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/branching.asp Sure, but I'm in a hurry so please excuse me if I'm a bit short with my reponse :) media=all is a

Re: [WSG] Say no to CSS hacks with branching techniques

2005-10-07 Thread Andrew Krespanis
On 10/8/05, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry, but this doesn't make sense at all. Or is there an important detail I'm missing? ;) Yes, you're missing the part where this was written over 12 months ago by someone who had only built 3 sites and wanted to try and help other

Re: [WSG] Say no to CSS hacks with branching techniques

2005-10-07 Thread Kim Kruse
Hi Andrew, With due respect for your article (everything gets outdated status pretty fast on the Internet... no) you was the one brought your article into the debate ;) Peace Kim It's all well and good to say that's so outdated, what the heck were you thinking and you're right -- I don't

Re: [WSG] Say no to CSS hacks with branching techniques

2005-10-07 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Thierry Koblentz wrote: I would appreciate your feedback so I can improve this article: http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/branching.asp The idea is good, but it's a bit incomplete at the moment. I have yet to see a good browser with solid CSS support, so I don't think we can say completely no

[WSG] Say no to CSS hacks with branching techniques

2005-10-06 Thread Thierry Koblentz
I would appreciate your feedback so I can improve this article: http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/branching.asp Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] Say no to CSS hacks with branching techniques

2005-10-06 Thread Andrew Krespanis
On 10/7/05, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would appreciate your feedback so I can improve this article: http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/branching.asp Sure, but I'm in a hurry so please excuse me if I'm a bit short with my reponse :) Congratulations! Now your file is ready for

[WSG] Say no to CSS hacks with branching techniques [the legible version]

2005-10-06 Thread Andrew Krespanis
: Andrew Krespanis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Oct 7, 2005 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Say no to CSS hacks with branching techniques To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org On 10/7/05, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would appreciate your feedback so I can improve this article: http://www.tjkdesign.com