[WSG] Semantics and small

2007-05-16 Thread Blake Haswell
Hey list, We have two elements, EM and STRONG, to emphasise text as being more important than the text around it, but we don't seem to have any elements to show that text is less important than the surrounding text. What is the best way to show something is less important than the surrounding

Re: [WSG] Semantics and small

2007-05-16 Thread Tim
What about small/small sub/sub Subscript lower than the text sup/sup Superscript higher than the text, maybe just a number linked to a date in the page footer Or in a stylesheet make a class of smaller text. Tim On 16/05/2007, at 9:04 PM, Blake Haswell wrote: Hey list, We have two

Re: [WSG] Semantics and small

2007-05-16 Thread andy
Hi Blake, Garret Dimmon used small for the purpose you are suggesting in his site redesign. He explains his reasoning behind it in this article on digital web (http://www.digital-web.com/articles/coding_for_content/). It's down to personal preference but I think the reasoning is pretty good.

RE: [WSG] Semantics and small

2007-05-16 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim sub/sub Subscript lower than the text sup/sup Superscript higher than the text, maybe just a number linked to a date in the page footer Or in a stylesheet make a class of smaller text. Those three examples are all

RE: [WSG] Semantics and small

2007-05-16 Thread David Dorward
From: Jixor - Stephen I: To me small would imply of less importance, like a side note. if you just want text to be smaller for design purposes it shouldn't be in a small ... well since the specification says exactly the opposite of that ... 'Renders text in a small font.' --

Re: [WSG] Semantics and small

2007-05-16 Thread Joost de Valk
In light of current events, the only proper use of small in my mind is this one: smallNicolas Sarkozy/small ;) On May 16, 2007, at 4:11 PM, David Dorward wrote: From: Jixor - Stephen I: To me small would imply of less importance, like a side note. if you just want text to be smaller for

Re: [WSG] Semantics and small

2007-05-16 Thread Andrew Cunningham
Jixor - Stephen I wrote: To me small would imply of less importance, like a side note. if you just want text to be smaller for design purposes it shouldn't be in a small would that imply big is more important? -- Andrew Cunningham Research and Development Coordinator Vicnet, Public

Re: [WSG] Semantics and small

2007-05-16 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Andrew Cunningham wrote: Jixor - Stephen I wrote: To me small would imply of less importance, like a side note. if you just want text to be smaller for design purposes it shouldn't be in a small would that imply big is more important? big and small are both presentational in the HTML

Re: [WSG] Semantics and small

2007-05-16 Thread Ben Buchanan
What is the best way to show something is less important than the surrounding information (e.g. the date of a post or article, supplementary information at the bottom of a post or article)? Really there's no element other than small which comes close to helping out here; otherwise it really is

Re: [WSG] Semantics and small

2007-05-16 Thread Mike at Green-Beast.com
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: For less important, there currently isn't an alternative, so small (albeit presentational) may be the only option ... or just going for a span, which is semantically just as meaningless. FWIW, I use the small element on my blog, on my latest WordPress theme, and for

Re: [WSG] Semantics and small

2007-05-16 Thread Karl Lurman
We have strong, we should have weak :) On 5/17/07, Ben Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the best way to show something is less important than the surrounding information (e.g. the date of a post or article, supplementary information at the bottom of a post or article)? Really

RE: [WSG] Semantics and small

2007-05-16 Thread Thierry Koblentz
inside pages. Like so: h1span/spanAccessites.org smallbr /The Art of Accessibility/small/h1How correct or semantically pure this method is I do not know. I am comfortable with it is all. The span is meaningless, but does happen to contain the [replacement] image over the still

Re: [WSG] Semantics and small

2007-05-16 Thread Paul Novitski
At 5/16/2007 04:04 AM, Blake Haswell wrote: We have two elements, EM and STRONG, to emphasise text as being more important than the text around it, but we don't seem to have any elements to show that text is less important than the surrounding text. What is the best way to show something is

Re: [WSG] Semantics and small

2007-05-16 Thread Ben Buchanan
We have strong, we should have weak Many a true word said in jest :) Trying to add semantics to small is driven by history rather than good semantics. Small text is a presentational result of de-emphasising text. We have: normal text emphasised text strongly emphasised text Maybe we should

Re: [WSG] Semantics and small

2007-05-16 Thread Andrew Cunningham
Ben Buchanan wrote: So in my culture at least, small sort of does what you want. But I have no idea at all if the smaller text paradigm translates in the slightest for other cultures. So it's just a tad weak, semantically speaking :) it doesn't. And for some writing scripts, unless the end

Re: [WSG] Semantics and small

2007-05-16 Thread Andrew Cunningham
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Andrew Cunningham wrote: Jixor - Stephen I wrote: To me small would imply of less importance, like a side note. if you just want text to be smaller for design purposes it shouldn't be in a small would that imply big is more important? big and small are both

Re: [WSG] Semantics and small

2007-05-16 Thread Blake Haswell
Specific to your situation, I question whether an article's date or its supplementary text is really best characterized as being less important than the article itself. That doesn't strike me as a useful semantic distinction. In the absence of markup elements date and supplement, you may be