Re: [WSG] Frames/iFrames [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-01-14 Thread Mary-Anne . Nayler
Subject 14/01/2009 04:51 Re: [WSG] Frames/iFrames PM[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED

Re: [WSG] Frames/iFrames [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-01-14 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
On 14/1/09 05:31, mary-anne.nay...@medicareaustralia.gov.au wrote: They are using them to facilitate the menu/header/footer ite,s across a host of applications which sit on a range of differing servers using a rang of differing technologies. I suggested SSI's but that is not possible due to

Re: [WSG] Frames/iFrames [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-01-13 Thread Mary-Anne . Nayler
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Re: [WSG] Frames/iFrames [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-01-13 Thread Mark Harris
mary-anne.nay...@medicareaustralia.gov.au wrote: They are using them to facilitate the menu/header/footer ite,s across a host of applications which sit on a range of differing servers using a rang of differing technologies. I suggested SSI's but that is not possible due to server configuration

Re: [WSG] Frames/iFrames [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-01-12 Thread Nathan de Vries
On 12/01/2009, at 6:12 PM, mary-anne.nay...@medicareaustralia.gov.au wrote: I am just wondering what is the general consensus on the use of Frames or iFrames these days. When required, I use HTML 4.01 transitional and iFrames to take advantage of iFrame remoting. Combined with unobtrusive

Re: [WSG] Frames/iFrames [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-01-12 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
On 12/1/09 07:12, mary-anne.nay...@medicareaustralia.gov.au wrote: I am just wondering what is the general consensus on the use of Frames or iFrames these days. WCAG2.0 is not terribly clear on whether we should or shouldn't be using them. WCAG 2.0 tries to express the principles of web

[WSG] Frames/iFrames [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-01-11 Thread Mary-Anne . Nayler
Hi, I am just wondering what is the general consensus on the use of Frames or iFrames these days. WCAG2.0 is not terribly clear on whether we should or shouldn't be using them. I understand there are usability issues as well as problems with Search Engines. I have a client that seems determined

RE: [WSG] Frames and title relevance to screen readers....

2008-04-03 Thread Stuart Foulstone
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stuart Foulstone Sent: Wednesday, 2 April 2008 8:43 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Frames and title relevance to screen readers Hi, You might find the following link useful: See http

RE: [WSG] Frames and title relevance to screen readers....

2008-04-03 Thread Anat Katz
] Behalf Of Stuart Foulstone Sent: Thursday, 3 April 2008 6:02 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Frames and title relevance to screen readers Hi, The link I gave discusses screereaders and seems to suggest that screenreaders use the title attribute of the frames rather than

Re: [WSG] Frames and title relevance to screen readers....

2008-04-02 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Hi, You might find the following link useful: See http://www.webaim.org/techniques/frames/ Stuart On Wed, April 2, 2008 1:13 am, Anat Katz wrote: Hi team, Just a general question - is there any value from a screen reader point of view, to have a specific title to the actual pages that

RE: [WSG] Frames and title relevance to screen readers....

2008-04-02 Thread Anat Katz
@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Frames and title relevance to screen readers Hi, You might find the following link useful: See http://www.webaim.org/techniques/frames/ Stuart On Wed, April 2, 2008 1:13 am, Anat Katz wrote: Hi team, Just a general question - is there any value

Re: [WSG] Frames and title relevance to screen readers....

2008-04-02 Thread dwain
On 4/2/08, Anat Katz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ??? this is what your visitor would see in the title bar of the browser or nothing if you left it blank. using keywords in your title helps with seo. dwain -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his

Re: [WSG] Frames and title relevance to screen readers....

2008-04-02 Thread Michael Horowitz
=frameset-desc.html#BodyContent noresize=noresize / page.html: HEAD TITLE???/TITLE /HEAD Cheers, Anat -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stuart Foulstone Sent: Wednesday, 2 April 2008 8:43 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG

[WSG] Frames and title relevance to screen readers....

2008-04-01 Thread Anat Katz
Hi team, Just a general question - is there any value from a screen reader point of view, to have a specific title to the actual pages that were build /called by the frameset. Is there any value for screen reader's users? I.e.: the page that contains the main content, should have a specific

Re: [WSG] Frames ?

2005-12-18 Thread Kevin Ross
Good evening gentleman. I want to thank all of you for your interesting replies to my question. I will gather all of the info and try to come up with an educated reply ! At any rate, there is a lot to think about. My client may not be dead set on using frames. I will use the info garnered in this

Re: [WSG] Frames ?

2005-12-18 Thread Terrence Wood
Kevin Ross said: Isn't using a dynamic frameset, still using frames? Yes. What is the advantage? None that I'm aware of. I will suggest that we just open a new window... I feel more comfortable with that as opposed to frames. Comments? Pop-up's are the lesser of the two evils, and if you

RE: [WSG] Frames ?

2005-12-18 Thread Paul Noone
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin RossSent: Monday, 19 December 2005 12:27 PMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: Re: [WSG] Frames ? Good evening gentleman. I want to thank all of you for your interesting replies to my question. I will gather all of the info and try

Re: [WSG] Frames ?

2005-12-18 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Kevin Ross wrote: However, I still have a few questions... Isn't using a dynamic frameset, still using frames? Yes. What is the advantage, other than being able to place the frame where I want? What I understood from your questions is that you were going to build the entire site using

Re: [WSG] Frames ?

2005-12-17 Thread Terrence Wood
On 17 Dec 2005, at 6:46 PM, Thierry Koblentz wrote: Terrence Wood wrote: Have I missed something or is this just, erm, frames using javascript instead of a static page? I'm not sure I understand your question. Isn't what the OP is looking for? Being able to link to *and* frame other web

RE: [WSG] Frames ?

2005-12-16 Thread Terrence Wood
Peter Levan said: I believe you can make use of the position: fixed css property to get some frame-like behaviour, eg applying it to a navigation div. However I don't know what the browser support is like. Not supported in IE/PC... and this doesn't solve the problem of having the branding

RE: [WSG] Frames ?

2005-12-16 Thread nathan bredenkamp
of referals from you.. jsut athought, and im sure the answer would be no, but you never know ?! - or maybe you do.. From: Terrence Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Frames ? Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:31:02 +1300 (NZDT) Peter

Re: [WSG] Frames ?

2005-12-16 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Kevin Ross wrote: Hi. I am new to the group and have a question. I have a client who wants to set up his business site in such a way that his logo and business presence is always maintained when the client visits a link to one of the manufacturers that my client represents. I think you can

Re: [WSG] Frames ?

2005-12-16 Thread Terrence Wood
Thierry Koblentz said: think you can achieve what your client wants without building his site using frames. Create a dynamic frameset [1] [1] http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/frames/5.asp Have I missed something or is this just, erm, frames using javascript instead of a static page? kind

Re: [WSG] Frames ?

2005-12-16 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Terrence Wood wrote: Thierry Koblentz said: think you can achieve what your client wants without building his site using frames. Create a dynamic frameset [1] [1] http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/frames/5.asp Have I missed something or is this just, erm, frames using javascript instead of

[WSG] Frames ?

2005-12-15 Thread Kevin Ross
Hi. I am new to the group and have a question.I have a client who wants to set up his business site in such a way that his logo and business presence is always maintained when the client visits a link to one of the manufacturers that my client represents. In other words, the site will have a

Re: [WSG] Frames ?

2005-12-15 Thread Terrence Wood
Kevin Ross said: his logo and business presence is always maintained when the client visits a link to one of the manufacturers. Ugh. This is a bit pre-dot bomb isn't it? I'd wager that this type of site will only serve to diminish his online presence, not enhance it. Is there a benefit for to

RE: [WSG] Frames ?

2005-12-15 Thread Felicity Farr
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Ross Sent: Friday, 16 December 2005 5:05 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Frames ? Hi. I am new to the group and have a question. I have a client who wants to set up his business site in such a way that his logo

Re: [WSG] Frames ?

2005-12-15 Thread Christian Montoya
On 12/15/05, Kevin Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, I am not a proponent of frames, but this sounds like frames to me. Is there a way to do this using Web Standards and CSS (my preference) ? If so, are there any examples of this out there ? If you want an example of frames being used, just

Re: [WSG] Frames ?

2005-12-15 Thread Lloyd
Kevin, Why don't you ask your client this: How would you feel if your site appeared within another sites design with their logo and slogan above your own? I would try to convince him that you can achieve better results with a small page with information about why the linked site is relevant, a

RE: [WSG] Frames ?

2005-12-15 Thread Peter Levan
of Criminology GPO Box 2944 Canberra ACT 2601 Tel: (02) 6260 9257 Fax: (02) 6260 9299 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web site: http://www.aic.gov.au/ From: Kevin Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 16 December 2005 5:05 AMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: [WSG] Frames

Re: [WSG] Frames ?

2005-12-15 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day Peter Levan wrote: I believe you can make use of the position: fixed css property to get some frame-like behaviour Which is fine if you have control over the whole page, but not if you're trying to display someone else's site within your own (not recommended), as asked in the original

Re: [WSG] Frames ?

2005-12-15 Thread heretic
I have a client who wants to set up his business site in such a way that his logo and business presence is always maintained when the client visits a link to one of the manufacturers that my client represents. ... Now, I am not a proponent of frames, but this sounds like frames to me. Is

[WSG] frames

2005-05-12 Thread designer
Hi All, Can anyone tell me if/when it is 'OK' to use frames? Since the W3C spec still includes them, I wondered (if) when it was considered legit to employ them - on a par with tables, which are avoided at all costs, except when displaying 'tabular data'. So I assume the W3C have included

Re: [WSG] frames

2005-05-12 Thread heretic
hi, Can anyone tell me if/when it is 'OK' to use frames? Since the W3C spec still includes them, I wondered (if) when it was considered legit to employ them - on a par with tables, which are avoided at all costs, except when displaying 'tabular data'. So I assume the W3C have included

RE: [WSG] frames

2005-05-12 Thread Mike Foskett
] Sent: 12 May 2005 12:12 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] frames hi, Can anyone tell me if/when it is 'OK' to use frames? Since the W3C spec still includes them, I wondered (if) when it was considered legit to employ them - on a par with tables, which are avoided at all costs

Re: [WSG] frames

2005-05-12 Thread Damian Sweeney
I canĀ“t see other way to create a chat page without frames. This is the only (IMHO) thing I use frames. Of course, there are many ways to use it, as evil ways, but in a chat you got to have two frames, at least: one where you put the form, and another where you read the messages. This one