Re: [delicious-discuss] inbox bookmarks
This happens with me. I used to subscribe to many interesting tags, but duplicates reduces the utility so much that I hardly bother reading the subscriptions. How much of a performance impact would collapsing duplicates be? (and I'm not sure how that would work with an rss subscription. remove duplicates between viewings? what if someone didn't view the inbox for months?) practically no performance impact, actually. but popular-within-my-inbox seems like a useful feature. i'm undecided. Oh, and if you keep the inbox, could you put number unread by each tag? I generally read subscriptions via bloglines anyway. it has that feature. how do we tell if an item is read -- remember lots of stuff is read via an RSS reader; it's hard to tell when something has been fetched by human agency or not currently, we do not do any click-tracking; there are ui pros and privacy cons there (although I suppose everyone else does it) joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] pc mag delicious review
I would like to see the two informations on the same page. Maybe the popular one as a side column. At the very least I would like not to have just a link from one page to the other, but in the tag page the information of how many items are in the popular page. This would tell me if it is worth at all opening that page or not. Interesting. Probably would require a smaller rendering of individual posts, I think. Also in the same page I would like to see the most active users that are using that tag. Or maybe ALL the users that have used that tag (in the links present in the page). In order of how commonly. Or maybe ordered as relative importance of that tag respect to all the tags they have (danger! some math involved). I know this is dangerous ground as it can easily turn on a positive feedback loop where people use common tags just to have their name on the sidebar. On the other hand when you are investigating a new tag you need to know who is using it. This could probably be done much like the related tags, I think. Right now this is generated offline but I've been thinking of changing it to dynamic; if we make it dynamic then this could be an easy add-on I do agree that the popular page should be the front page, after all it represents the cream of the delicious experience. The most delicious delicious. We do have some plans to radically change the front page soon. But again I would like to see the two pages (popular and ?new popular) integrated. Can't we get a different color or an asterisk for new links?\ Good idea. Another thing that I am really missing is, in the popular page, after each link, the 4 (or so) more common tags used to define it. Just the tip of the power law, would be so useful. This one has been on my todo list for quite some time; I just need to make the query go faster. I miss the archive with the pages that were popular in the previous days. I use to find that page a much better source of info on what has happened when I have been away than newspapers, or inbox or external services. Yes, I liked that too. Another query issue there, too -- we changed it a while ago to use the last N posts (approximately one day's worth) to calculate popularity instead of a single day. (Also I think we should lower the number of posts counted, that would make it more dynamic a list) When we open a page regarding a link, like http://del.icio.us/url/b0b9aabd95b24fc3a6b63a294d7d92fd we have the show related items. Does it really need to open another window? Can't it just show or hide some information? Mostly to let users who are interested click to find out. Many people do not really care, it looks like. And can't the information be in the same format as links in the popular page? A bit of standardization would probably help. Not sure what this would look like. Dear Joshua, I have a much longer list of things I would like to see, but I tried to contain myself with things that were on topic of the current thread: delicious appearence and way to present information. Go ahead, that is what we are here for :) Joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] linkspammers
I'll deal with them when I have a real internet connection and put some code in to deal with this in the future. PS am in boston today, presenting at the harvard berkman center at 12:30pm, will be around till 9pm and then back to nyc. -- joshua (on a very tiny keyboard) ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Features around date.___ tag
It was more a something we might do someday feature. They're not suppressed. Maybe you checked when the tag server was slow... Joshua On Oct 26, 2005, at 6:53 AM, Rob . wrote: Hi Joshua, What features are related to the new date.___ tag? I noticed that these date tags are suppressed from being displayed on the bookmark by url page. Any other features? cheers Rob ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Features around date.___ tag
Only the top 20 (or whatever) tags are shown on the /url pages. On Oct 26, 2005, at 10:09 AM, Rob . wrote: On 10/26/05, joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was more a something we might do someday feature. They're not suppressed. Maybe you checked when the tag server was slow... I experimented a little. If I put date.2005-10-25 as the last tag in a list of multiple tags it doesn't show in the url summary page, (e.g. of a url summary page: http://del.icio.us/url/83bed5fa7d8ec0f83c64428028219258) But if I put it first in the list of tags it's visible, i.e. html is present: a href=/xxx/date.2005-10-25date.2005-10-25/a Rob Joshua On Oct 26, 2005, at 6:53 AM, Rob . wrote: Hi Joshua, What features are related to the new date.___ tag? I noticed that these date tags are suppressed from being displayed on the bookmark by url page. Any other features? cheers Rob ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] search by url?
interesting idea. we're not currently indexing by url but i'll put it on our todo list. joshua On Oct 29, 2005, at 8:23 AM, Michael Stillwell wrote: Is it possible to search by URL stem? e.g. RSS feed of all del.icio.us links that start with http://example.com? I couldn't find such an example on the help pages. (What I actually want to do is generate RSS feeds for sites that don't offer them themselves, like newyorker.com. I'm hoping that it's possible to search for URLs starting with newyorker.com or www.newyorker.com. Failing this, I guess I'll have to search for the newyorker tag, then filter out the URLs that aren't actually to the New Yorker. Or has someone already done this?) --M. -- http://beebo.org +44 78 2118 9049 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Minor RSS Feeds ETag bug
Huh. We will fix this. On Oct 30, 2005, at 3:12 PM, The Bo$$ wrote: Looking over the headers sent by del.icio.us/rss/dante, I noticed that the ETag value (ETag: 31313330353730323139) was unquoted. ETag values must be surrounded by double quotes (ie, 'ETag: 31313330353730323139'), per HTTP standards. This might cause trouble for feed readers. Thanks, -- Dante pianoman.wordpress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] name and website gone?
On Nov 2, 2005, at 12:36 AM, Michael Wiik wrote: Did profile info such as names and websites disappear? -Mike Oops. Will fix that in the morning. Joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Cancelling post - useability
Conrad Braun wrote: With the old behaviour of the div id=header div id=header_l h1 class=auth_h1 part (I don't know whether these were the old class names as well), (where _xxx_ means a clickable link) /_del.icio.us_ would direct me to the start page, /_del.icio.us_/inbox/_joshua_ would reload the inbox, and /del.icio.us/inbox/joshua/bacon ... honestly, no idea, i haven't seen this before, and it doesn't seem to do anything... would bacon be a tag, or a username? Bacon would be a label. A link to the first page of the inbox is necessary. We'll put that back in. Joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] tag bundles.. hide/show
it was taken out by accident and will be put back. joshua On Nov 5, 2005, at 11:50 AM, Shiva Mantri wrote: you can group bunch of tags into a bundle ie.. like a folder... for example... you can bundle all news tags into one bundle called News. so News bundle would contain tags news, news.funny, news.interesting, news.all. because there is no option to show or hide bundles you will always only see tags... and not organized by bundles. hmmm.. without show or hide bundles, i dont see the use of bundles feature in del.icio.us. On 11/5/05, Songbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are tag bundles? At 10:37 AM 11/4/2005, Shiva Mantri wrote: I dont see hide/show tag bundles option anymore... after tag bundles' upgrade. I am stuck with hide bundles view on one of my computers. is there a quick option i can use, before you fix it???.. like http://del.icio.us/myuser_id?settagview=cloud http://del.icio.us/ myuser_id?settagview=cloud -Shiva ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/161 - Release Date: 11/3/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/161 - Release Date: 11/3/2005 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Re: Edit/delete links in search results
Yes, we're working on this. The main problem is that the search engine lags somewhat behind the main database, so we're looking at a way to re-architect for this. On Nov 13, 2005, at 6:37 PM, Björn Lindström wrote: Todd Levy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just wondering if there's a reason for not having the edit / delete links for user-specific search results... http://del.icio.us/search/?user=Photoshop ... or under the Your Items chunk here... http://del.icio.us/search/?all=Photoshop Seems like this would be a natural place to have these links. Any thoughts appreciated. I'd like to second this, too. It's pretty annoying like it is now, since I often find links that I want to edit or remove exactly this way. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] An idea for the RSS feeds
We do already have the copy button if we recognize the user-agent of the RSS reader (we don't want to mess it up for people using RSS for publishing on their blog or whatever.) The if you are logged in part doesn't really work in basically any RSS reader, though. What feeds don't have extended? they should. On Nov 19, 2005, at 5:50 PM, Björn Lindström wrote: Like some other people in here, I prefer subscribing to people's pages individually in my RSS reader rather than use del.icio.us' inbox feature. When using the RSS feeds like that, it would be useful if they could somehow include a link that, presuming you are logged in to del.icio.us, would be equivalent to clicking copy for that link in del.icio.us. I'm also missing the extended descriptions in the feeds - but I'm not the first one to mention that, IIRC. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Re: An idea for the RSS feeds
If you link to del.icio.us/post?url=URLtitle=TITLE, it will redirect you to the posting form. The posting form has the username in it to avoid XSS abuseability. Joshua On Nov 19, 2005, at 6:15 PM, Björn Lindström wrote: joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Nov 19, 2005, at 5:50 PM, Björn Lindström wrote: Like some other people in here, I prefer subscribing to people's pages individually in my RSS reader rather than use del.icio.us' inbox feature. When using the RSS feeds like that, it would be useful if they could somehow include a link that, presuming you are logged in to del.icio.us, would be equivalent to clicking copy for that link in del.icio.us. We do already have the copy button if we recognize the user- agent of the RSS reader (we don't want to mess it up for people using RSS for publishing on their blog or whatever.) The if you are logged in part doesn't really work in basically any RSS reader, though. Yeah, it would have to link to the post page for that URL. Since that URL as it is includes the user name, that wouldn't work so well. You would have to make http://del.icio.us/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcomicbookdb.com%2Ftitle=Comic% 20Book%20DBcopyuser=noikecopytags=comicsjump=no redirect to http://del.icio.us/bkhl?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcomicbookdb.com% 2Ftitle=Comic%20Book%20DBcopyuser=noikecopytags=comicsjump=no (where bkhl is the name of the user you're currently logged in as) or something like that. Though I always thought it's a bit messy that people's own user names are in the URLs like that in the first place. I'm also missing the extended descriptions in the feeds - but I'm not the first one to mention that, IIRC. What feeds don't have extended? they should. Sorry, forget that part. It appears it was my RSS reader that was at fault. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] New Look
On Nov 22, 2005, at 12:00 AM, Patrick Hall wrote: I really did like the old one better. :( I think it looks cool now, I like the fact that the popular links are on the front page, makes a lot of sense. still working on that. trying not to scare off newbies... new features in this release, aside from a bunch of internal restructuring and the external header change: - a new popup bookmarklet at http://del.icio.us/help/morebuttons with some ajaxamacallit - add the play button to your blog (with a nice little bookmark this mp3 action) at http://del.icio.us/help/playtagger more coming later in the week. joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] New Look
On Nov 22, 2005, at 12:07 AM, Ian Henderson wrote: On 21 Nov, 2005, at 21.00, Patrick Hall wrote: I really did like the old one better. :( I think it looks cool now, I like the fact that the popular links are on the front page, makes a lot of sense. -pat Now that it's had a couple of minutes to sink in, I'm kind of liking it. The layout in general is better - the front page and the tag pages in particular are more easily understood. However, the color scheme is a bit unoriginal, IMO. The old one really had character; this one seems a bit bland. it's the same color scheme as before, blue/grey/black. the original redesign called for more color, which i've toned down for now. no deeply abrupt redesigns. i got pretty sick of the old design (which i largely did) anyway. joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] New Look
I really did like the option to fold bundles! Will this come back or do I have to write an user script? This works fine for me. What are you trying to do? -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Idea, 'Composite' tags in bundles
Currently we have intersection; this will require union queries. It's definitely coming, but it's after privacy/groups/etc Joshua On Nov 22, 2005, at 10:53 AM, Lindsay Donaghe wrote: This is a request I've made and a few others on this list too. Hopefully it's being considered for development!! Lindsay On 11/22/05, Berend van Berkum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, while organizing my bundles I thought it would be convenient be able to use a kind of composite tags in my bundles. This would be similar to selecting a specific set of posts with multiple tags in the URL—I believe that's called 'tag drilling'?— eg: music+metadata+rdf. This aggregating of tags to indicate more specific topics is really the power of tagging. Also, bundles are handy but its not always easy to select a small and concise set of tags to give quick access to the content for a specific topic. So, since I know my own tagging behaviour this would give me more power in covering specific subjects with my bundles. Correct me if I'm wrong but I haven't seen a feature like this. I also figure the syntax would be a problem but I'm just curious what everyone thinks about it. Below is a small example. So, bloat or not? regards, Berend http://del.icio.us/mpe An example with three bundles: - bundle: semweb web+metadata web+semantic REST RDF semweb web+xml - bundle: webdesign webdesign web+inspiration web+design css+markup css+design css+layout css+typography css+em - bundle: design design design+inspiration typography design+color ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] popoular tag cloud coloring
yeah, the missing red tags are a bug. we'll fix that soon. i'll add this all to the todo list On Nov 22, 2005, at 11:19 AM, Karthik Kadirvel wrote: Joshua, The new look is better. If somehow one could choose switch between the popular tag cloud and popular link without going to a new page it would be better. I am using FF1.0.7 on WinXP Pro. When I click the see more popular tags on the main page, the tag cloud I see is all blue. I am logged into del and I dont see the common tags in red color. Is anyone else having this issue ? Also, in the del.icio.us/for/username page shouldnt the hyperlink username link to del.icio.us/username ? Currently it links to the same page i.e. del.icio.us/for/username Karthik __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Bundles on the post page...
On Nov 22, 2005, at 11:19 AM, Jonathan S. Anderson wrote: I poked around and didn't see this suggestion elsewhere. Have you considered putting the bundled tag lists onto the posting page? Scanning the alphabetical list each time often causes me to miss one or another tag I ought to be applying. definitely have considered this, but we still haven't come up with a layout that makes sense. any ideas here? joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Re: Edit item redirect
Oops. Will fix this ASAP. The popup bookmarklet is supposed to be in a smaller window (instead of full screen) so we thought a reasonable compromise was the tag- completion stuff. Joshua On Nov 23, 2005, at 11:05 AM, Björn Lindström wrote: Stephen Paul Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When I am one of my tag pages and click the link to edit an item... it used to be when I was done I would click 'save' and it would go back to that tag page... now it takes me to my main page... so I have to go back to the tag page again every time, which is annoying. Also, what is the logic of not having the 'your tags' list available when using the popup bookmarklet? it is the only thing that keeps me from switching to the official popup bookmarklet from the one i currently use. I agree that this is very annoying, though it's possibly even more annoying that it also applies to deleting. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Re: New look
Björn Lindström wrote: One thing that no one has commented out is that the link colours in the tag column to the right has changed. They didn't use to change when they had been visited. For the record, I liked it better before. The separate colour for visited links makes the size/colour indication of numbers of tags harder to make out. Should be fixed. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Change Tag Name
Yes, visit 'tags' under the settings page. Joshua On Nov 27, 2005, at 8:56 PM, Songbird wrote: Is there a way to change a tag name so that the change is made through all the links with that tag name? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/183 - Release Date: 11/25/2005 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[delicious-discuss] firefox plugin
our new firefox plugin (not a toolbar) -- http://del.icio.us/help/ffextension https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=1532 Joshua -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://del.icio.us/joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] firefox plugin
Lucas Gonze wrote: Just courious -- how come you went with a FF-only project, given the low percentage of all users on Firefox, Joshua? Yeah, but that low percentage is for the web in general. Delicious users, being of good taste, prefer Firefox much more than IE; we're about split evenly. Joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[delicious-discuss] Entrepreneur Launches Web's First Tag Directory to Raise Money for His Wedding
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2005/11/prweb315863.htm The mind boggles. -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://del.icio.us/joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Entrepreneur Launches Web's First Tag Directory to Raise Money for His Wedding
On Nov 28, 2005, at 7:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guess who just became the first entry in my ignore list. It does bring up an important issue, though -- who is to say what constitutes good or bad tagging behavior. It's relatively easy when he's a blatant jackass like Patrick Ryan and publicizes his commercial use; but I'm sure there are plenty of guerilla marketing weasels out there who have been doing similar things ever since the service started. Individual users filtering out bad actors is not difficult; but does not address the underlying manipulation/distortion of the data for applications like a recommendation or ranking engine (like cloudalicious). Seems very similar to problems that Google has with SEOs trying to game the PageRank system. I'd be curious whether you (Josh) could share some of your thoughts on how del.icio.us will cope with this as the service matures? I've got more of a let's see what they do rather than planning for this. There's some anti-spam stuff in already to deal with the usual behaviors, though. Joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] New tags not getting added.
Fixing this now. What's your account name? On Nov 29, 2005, at 8:40 AM, Anand Kishore wrote: Hi, I'm facing this bug: When I bookmark a page with a new tag it doesnt show up in My Tags list when i try bookmarking another page. But if i view My Bookmarks i can see the new tag in my list. -- - Andy ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] firefox plugin
How about a screenshot? The plugin doesn't do anything to the main browser window. Joshua On Nov 29, 2005, at 9:05 AM, Bill Bradford wrote: On 11/29/05, joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you mean in the popop? the space is for the dropdown and recommended/ popular tags. Nope, this is in the main browser window. Bill -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Blogger support for the daily link posting thingy
anand kishore (sent by Nabble.com) wrote: Hey joshua, Could i get a response on this?? It's in the next release of the blog-posting code and will be out soon. Joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Re: Frequently Accessed Sites
My biggest problem with the common implementations of click tracking is that they make a common use pattern of mine worthless. Google's click-tracking works by having every search result link to a horrible url like: http://www.google.com/url?sa=tct=rescd=1url=http%3A//www.random.org/ei=l6iMQ_bmBMT2YKiBzekHsig2=GABCdvvbnFGHbRk_Qax1OQ and bollocksing the statusbar text to look the the actual url (http://www.random.org in this case). In practice, I find that this leads to me doing a search to find a url to paste into an email/blog post, right-clicking to copy the url, and finding that I have this horrible redirect url instead. It's a pain. We won't do anything that will break right-click. This is a fundamental user gesture for links. I don't believe the javascript rewrite is necessary - you just need a href= onclick=... Joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] firefox plugin
Eric Hertlein wrote: I like the fact that the popup for the tagging doesn't appear behind my current window. I like additions to the right click menus. The only thing I miss is that when I click with the mouse wheel on the delicious icon, Id love for it to behave like my home icon, opening in a new tab. Added to our todo list for the next version. Joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Private Links
That's probably not a great solution long-term. We are hard at work on getting privacy released soon. Joshua On Dec 1, 2005, at 1:49 PM, darcy w. christ wrote: http://weblog.infoworld.com/udell/2005/11/01.html On 1-Dec-05, at 1:39 PM, Jeff wrote: Hello Wondered if there is any consideration to having the ability to have private bookmarks in the future on del.icio.us? How about private tags just for you to see? Just curious. Jeff -- mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | web: http://www.teknokool.net IM: jeffisageek (yahoo) | IM: jeffisageek (MSN) ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ~/darcy w. christ 1000camels ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] posting - URL construction
This begs a distinction between proper and improper tagging. Tags are a memory aid, decided upon by the person doing the remembering. If some other person with intentions other than recall choses the tags, then they are indeed improperly chosen. A person reads an article about some subject and tags it as such. The publisher is likely to be much more general because they want that that link to show up in more places if at all possible. I thus think that allowing this feature would lower the quality of the system. One thing that's impressed me is how variable people's tagging practices are - leaving me unsure as to what improper tagging would look like. Arguably, allowing publishers to tag their stuff would decrease tagging creativity, but it might increase the user base, too, which could increase creativity Interesting. This is only part of it for me - and probably the lesser part. I value del.icio.us at least as much as a way of finding things I didn't know to look for - i.e., as an alternative to search - as I value it as a mnemonic tool. Fair enough. But for the record, the context in which this question arose was NumSum.com. I wanted to post a spreadsheet I had developed to my own del.icio.us account, and was surprised when their [Post] to del.icio.us link didn't inherit the name or tags I had given the 'sheet. Theoretically, I could write a little Greasemonkey script to rewrite these links with my own username, title and tags - which I, frankly, would prefer to include, whether I'd written them myself or not, at least in this context - but my javascript chops just aren't up to snuff, even for such a relatively simple project. Alas Well, at the very least, the publisher CAN supply the title of the document... Joshua -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Importing Bookmarks from del.icio.us to Firefox
Foxylicious can do this as well http://dietrich.ganx4.com/foxylicious/ we should add more to our firefox help page about this stuff On Dec 2, 2005, at 10:16 AM, Dan Kantor wrote: http://del.icio.us/settings/username/export John W Redelfs wrote: Is it possible to download del.icio.us http://del.icio.us bookmarks and import them into Firefox? If so, what is the best way to do this? --JWR - --- ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] increasing the number of del.icio.us users reducing spam
One interesting thing that I found with building the recommendation engine is that I got much more pleasing results by considering each person's tag independently rather than the person as a whole. However, from a UI standpoint, I'd like to provide people with a way to get a global view of who is recommended to them in general, presumably by aggregating the per-tag recommendations (currently too slow to be done.) Another issue I've been thinking about is the notion of influence in general; how to quantify the metric in some reasonable way? For example, if an item was posted 10 times, and person X was first, was he influential? What if the other 9 times were the same day? Or two weeks laters? What if 1000 more people were to go on to do it? I suppose something interesting might occur if you just looked at a user's urls and score every other user who bookmarked that URL before them. Alternately a bayesian predictor to suggest if person X posts something, person Y is likely to. Shame about all the I/O this would take up. Probably time to order more servers anyway. Joshua On Dec 5, 2005, at 11:25 AM, Chris Lott wrote: On 12/5/05, Brian Del Vecchio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd rather have tools that help me sift through the river for valuable items. I find the recommendations very useful, and would love to see more work like this. I agree. I'm not interested in who is the most influential though I am VERY interested in who is the most influential when related to Chris' links. The former is a game, the latter is a tool for finding new information. One of the reasons I have stayed with del.icio.us is that I have a fair amount of trust that Joshua wants to focus on the usefulness and leverage of the social network effects to uncover and recover information. c ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Bug report: login form strips tags parameter
The posting form URL is not a guaranteed API for adding stuff to delicious. We may change how it works, etc etc etc. You should probably use the API itself for this. Joshua On Dec 5, 2005, at 2:07 PM, Johan Sundström wrote: Problem: On entering Del.icio.us to add a new bookmark via the add address, http://del.icio.us/user?v=3url=...title=...extended=...tags=... the login page gets loaded, if you were not already logged in. Which is of course good. What is not good, is that, when having logged in, the tags=... supplied in the original URL, have gone missing. so I get to type them all up again. (All the other parameters are still there, though, which is good.) Background: Me, and a growing crowd of Bloggers with me, use Del.icio.us as a means of tagging, categorizing and navigating among our own blog posts. To do so, I made a Greasemonkey script that adds a Tags: field to the Blogger post editor. On publishing the post, these tags are added to the post body, and at the click of a link, we go to the Del.icio.us add a bookmark page, as per above, with URL, title and tags all filled in. Details, howto, example and screenshots available: http://ecmanaut.blogspot.com/2005/11/blogger-publish-ping-and- categorizer.html Unfortunately, this tag eating bug makes it troublesome for users who do not have long Del.icio.us sessions and have to login and then retype their list of tags once again to commit the bookmark. Thanks in advance, -- / Johan Sundström, http://ecmanaut.blogspot.com/ ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Feature request: login form forwarding tags parameter
Right. The supported way to do this is with /post?title=...url= Tags are not specifically supported in this forwarding chain because I do not want to give publishers the opportunity to pre-tag their stuff as per reasons I have stated several times in the past. Joshua On Dec 5, 2005, at 4:14 PM, Johan Sundström wrote: [Hm, lost the list recipient; resending:] This is somewhat verbose. It is also trying to be helpful, and hopefully without being overly annoying doing so. (I'm probably trying somewhat too hard, because my opinions below seem to Scream you Must be Wrong about this and I must be Right, but I'm too polished to say that out loud, which is not quite the polite angle I'm aiming for. Oh, bother.) Problem: On entering Del.icio.us to add a new bookmark via the add address, http://del.icio.us/user? v=3url=...title=...extended=...tags=... [...] The posting form URL is not a guaranteed API for adding stuff to delicious. We may change how it works, etc etc etc. I'm sure you may, and I sort of presumed that the v=3 bit above was indication of this having happened at least twice already, most likely for good reasons, too. But let me rephrase my bug report as a feature request, and explain why it is that this non-API is such a Very Useful device for making Del.icio.us improve the web and the web improve Del.icio.us. I'm not trying to be a whiny ass, here. Your posting form is however, under many circumstances, the Ideal way of hooking in to the functionality you provide. It's very similar to how RSS readers of today always tend to have a passwordless, URL only API, where you can link to their URL with the URL of an RSS feed provided in a query variable, and on visiting that link, end up within the reader, with the option of subscribing one click away, or just doing nothing at all, closing the window again. As is the case with making a Del.icio.us bookmark today with your form. You should treasure this low threshold to access accordingly; it is a very cheap way for you to be more useful to your users. You should probably use the API itself for this. Using the API allows me to add bookmarks, provided that I state my Del.icio.us password. I could have my application write up a form for adding a Del.icio.us bookmark to a post, filling in some fields, leaving others (the description field, where I might want some short executive summary of my post, for instance) to be filled in, add a password field and finally emulate your form using the API. This would work, but also kill the part of the user experience that makes this setup feel comfier than using lots of cut and paste between windows, using a method of access (i e the bookmarklet and form, your browserextension) which does not require the password. Or, I could let my application ask for the password once, and store it in a Greasemonkey persistent variable, which would be accessable to any person knowing how to type about:config and greasemonkey in my users' browser, which would be worse still. I personally think users should never be encouraged to expose an API password which would allow the holder read/write access to their data, to a third party, such as my own application, unless strictly necessary. Adding one bookmark doesn't quite meet my gut feeling of neccessity. Um... ...pretty please? :-) -- / Johan Sundström, http://ecmanaut.blogspot.com/ ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Feature request: login form forwarding tags parameter
Specifically, the way to add a bookmark this button somewhere is documented at: http://blog.del.icio.us/blog/2005/05/bookmark_this.html (this needs to go into our help documentation) Joshua On Dec 5, 2005, at 4:28 PM, joshua schachter wrote: Right. The supported way to do this is with /post?title=...url= Tags are not specifically supported in this forwarding chain because I do not want to give publishers the opportunity to pre-tag their stuff as per reasons I have stated several times in the past. Joshua On Dec 5, 2005, at 4:14 PM, Johan Sundström wrote: [Hm, lost the list recipient; resending:] This is somewhat verbose. It is also trying to be helpful, and hopefully without being overly annoying doing so. (I'm probably trying somewhat too hard, because my opinions below seem to Scream you Must be Wrong about this and I must be Right, but I'm too polished to say that out loud, which is not quite the polite angle I'm aiming for. Oh, bother.) Problem: On entering Del.icio.us to add a new bookmark via the add address, http://del.icio.us/user? v=3url=...title=...extended=...tags=... [...] The posting form URL is not a guaranteed API for adding stuff to delicious. We may change how it works, etc etc etc. I'm sure you may, and I sort of presumed that the v=3 bit above was indication of this having happened at least twice already, most likely for good reasons, too. But let me rephrase my bug report as a feature request, and explain why it is that this non-API is such a Very Useful device for making Del.icio.us improve the web and the web improve Del.icio.us. I'm not trying to be a whiny ass, here. Your posting form is however, under many circumstances, the Ideal way of hooking in to the functionality you provide. It's very similar to how RSS readers of today always tend to have a passwordless, URL only API, where you can link to their URL with the URL of an RSS feed provided in a query variable, and on visiting that link, end up within the reader, with the option of subscribing one click away, or just doing nothing at all, closing the window again. As is the case with making a Del.icio.us bookmark today with your form. You should treasure this low threshold to access accordingly; it is a very cheap way for you to be more useful to your users. You should probably use the API itself for this. Using the API allows me to add bookmarks, provided that I state my Del.icio.us password. I could have my application write up a form for adding a Del.icio.us bookmark to a post, filling in some fields, leaving others (the description field, where I might want some short executive summary of my post, for instance) to be filled in, add a password field and finally emulate your form using the API. This would work, but also kill the part of the user experience that makes this setup feel comfier than using lots of cut and paste between windows, using a method of access (i e the bookmarklet and form, your browserextension) which does not require the password. Or, I could let my application ask for the password once, and store it in a Greasemonkey persistent variable, which would be accessable to any person knowing how to type about:config and greasemonkey in my users' browser, which would be worse still. I personally think users should never be encouraged to expose an API password which would allow the holder read/write access to their data, to a third party, such as my own application, unless strictly necessary. Adding one bookmark doesn't quite meet my gut feeling of neccessity. Um... ...pretty please? :-) -- / Johan Sundström, http://ecmanaut.blogspot.com/ ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Results from /api/posts/all differ from time to time
Hmm. I thought I fixed this bug. Might still be around due to a cache predating the bugfix. Send me your userid privately so I can check? Joshua On Dec 6, 2005, at 8:27 AM, Markus Weimer wrote: Hi all, I am not quite sure whether this is the place to ask this question, but anyway: I am building a quick and dirty prototype for a research project. Within it, I call /api/posts/all?tag=something for different tags to create a list of all bookmarks for those tags. The bad thing is that the results of this call are sometimes not true, while sometimes they are. At first, I discovered this behaviour using the python del.icio.us API. But I can easily verify this using just my web browser on the URL above: Opening http://del.icio.us/api/posts/all?tag=tagging first shows me a list of my true bookmarks filled under this tag. But when I hit reload in my browser, the answer from the server is no longer valid. Sadly, it is not always the first call that returns the correct result. Did someone else also have these problems? Any hints to solve them? Thanks in advance, Markus ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Familiar Taste greasemonkey script plus free bonus feature request
Yeah. It hits delicious for every single pageview the user does -- Ouch. We banned that. Someone should rewrite it to use /api/posts/all and use the local GM data store, or something. Flock does what you want with the stars, though. Joshua On Dec 7, 2005, at 1:13 AM, Brian Del Vecchio wrote: I just came across this greasemonkey script in Les Orchard's linkstream: http://www.blackperl.com/javascript/greasemonkey/ft/ It doesn't seem to work for me, but it reminded me that I'd really love to see an indicator on Delicious pages for items that I've already bookmarked. Something like a little star next to the title of each item I've already bookmarked. Of course, it wouldn't make any sense on pages of my results, but it'd make skipping items on other pages very convenient. -- Brian Del Vecchio | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://hybernaut.com/ ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Familiar Taste greasemonkey script plus free bonus feature request
Oh yea, that's the canonical abuse case, isn't it? Hitting a local cache of URLs from /posts/all would be great--except if you pulled /posts/all very frequently. That is what /update is for - it is inexpensive to call. Note to everyone writing Delicious helpers (including Flock): what works great for 100 Delicious posts doesn't necessarily scale for 4000. (I know that the Flock team is working on improving the speed of their Lucene implementation). Flock shows this information in address bar after you've loaded the page. I'd like to see the information inline on Delicious pages, to help me decide which items to look at further. It seems like this could be done in GM, but nobody's in a better position to do this than Team Delicious. Wouldn't most users freak? I think a sidebar would be nicer. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] discrepancy between api and browser?
There's a bug in the caching which I believe has been fixed, but old caches may be sticking around. Email me your username personally and I'll clear it. Joshua On Dec 8, 2005, at 4:31 AM, takashi mizohata wrote: I am prototyping some web app which you can add tag(s) on a set from your current posts. I guess it's useful for people like me who tags quick and revises them together later. My question is server returns me a different list of my posts between when I access it by browser and via api. Especially tags I added by calling api don't show up in the list via api, even they show up in browser access. Is it me that I hit /api/posts/all too much so that am regulated? -- MIZOHATA, Takashi ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Congratulations!
On Dec 9, 2005, at 3:57 PM, Brian Armknecht wrote: To Joshua and company, Congratulations on the Yahoo purchase! Is there going to be a merger between del.icio.us and MyYahoo2, or will they stay separate? Separate. Obviously there will be some cross-pollination. Joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[delicious-discuss] argh
ok, it looks like a number of slave servers were corrupted. we're rebuilding them now. i've taken the site down so that this goes as fast as possible. joshua -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] tag combining gone?
that's one server that we're still having trouble with -- I am working on it still. Joshua On Dec 20, 2005, at 12:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry if this has already by covered, but is tag combining ( del.icio.us/tag/blog+daily ) temporarily down (due to the power outage) or has there been a change in functionality? -sean ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] tag combining gone?
I thought I'd fixed this. Looking into it On Dec 20, 2005, at 4:36 PM, Jeff wrote: how about daily blog postings...I know it was down yesterday but I had added some new links today and when my scheduled time for it to post came around it did not post to my blog? Is anyone else have having an issue with that? Let me know. Jeff On 12/20/05, joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that's one server that we're still having trouble with -- I am working on it still. Joshua On Dec 20, 2005, at 12:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry if this has already by covered, but is tag combining ( del.icio.us/tag/blog+daily ) temporarily down (due to the power outage) or has there been a change in functionality? -sean ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | web: http://www.teknokool.net IM: jeffisageek (yahoo) | IM: jeffisageek (MSN) ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] tag combining gone?
rss feeds are supposed to be working. what url is still broken? joshua On Dec 20, 2005, at 5:20 PM, Jeff wrote: Joshua Also my rss feeds are not working yet where I am getting stuff I tagged on del.icio.us..didnt know if that was still down for the rss feeds or was an issue. Thanks jeff On 12/20/05, joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought I'd fixed this. Looking into it On Dec 20, 2005, at 4:36 PM, Jeff wrote: how about daily blog postings...I know it was down yesterday but I had added some new links today and when my scheduled time for it to post came around it did not post to my blog? Is anyone else have having an issue with that? Let me know. Jeff On 12/20/05, joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that's one server that we're still having trouble with -- I am working on it still. Joshua On Dec 20, 2005, at 12:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry if this has already by covered, but is tag combining ( del.icio.us/tag/blog+daily ) temporarily down (due to the power outage) or has there been a change in functionality? -sean ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | web: http://www.teknokool.net IM: jeffisageek (yahoo) | IM: jeffisageek (MSN) ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | web: http://www.teknokool.net IM: jeffisageek (yahoo) | IM: jeffisageek (MSN) ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] re: daily blog posting
it is infact currently running. The Daily blog posting thingy appears to be broken :-( Any update on this? Daniel ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] URL History off a bit?
Fixed it. There was one post. We're working to make sure this kind of stuff doesn't happen. Joshua On Dec 28, 2005, at 1:14 PM, ivan santiesteban wrote: I have a tiny issue that is similar to the one in del.icio.us/jdunck. It doesn't bother me, but it might help you out to know these. I have the tag animals and it won't dissappear despite having no instances. http://del.icio.us/stolen.car Ivan On 12/28/05, Jeremy Dunck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/28/05, joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Caching issues. Should clear up shortly -- if it doesn't, or if you are having problems seeing your account, email me your userid and I can clear it. Already working again. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] daily blog posting
I'm still working to figure out what is going on exactly. Joshua On Dec 30, 2005, at 1:30 PM, Jeff wrote: Is it just me or are uthers having trouble with the daily blog postings again? Mine has not been up the past few days. Jeff -- mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | web: http://www.teknokool.net IM: jeffisageek (yahoo) | IM: jeffisageek (MSN) ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] tag combining gone?
Yes, I turn On Jan 2, 2006, at 9:48 PM, Blue Coffee wrote: http://del.icio.us/planetoid/email+repair+software has 5 items but http://del.icio.us/tag/email+repair+software has no items Yes. I turned off the global intersects in the last massive failure and I have been loathe to making any changes to the production service until we can migrate to the yahoo facility (which will be in the next few days) -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Inbox/For indicator suggestion
something like this is definitely coming. joshua On Jan 4, 2006, at 12:06 PM, Brendan Frey wrote: Sorry if this has been brought up before, but I had a thought regarding the inbox and for:. Is it possible to have some type of indicator to let you know when there are new items in your inbox/ for? As a workflow, it's a bit annoying to remember to check every few hours in the for and inbox to see if there is anything new. An ideal, and minimalist approach would be something like: Your bookmarks | inbox(3) | for(12) | post As the top bar. Meaning 3 new un-visited entries in your inbox, and 12 new bookmarks tagged for: you. This would really be helpful in my situation as we use delicious to share bookmarks among a group of people, and I subscribe to the other users. I guess it would be possible to use RSS to handle this, but it would really be nice to be able to use it plainly through an html interface on any machine without need for RSS setup. Thanks! B This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Items tagged X by people who use tag Y
What's the use-case here? joshua On Jan 4, 2006, at 3:08 PM, Ericka Menchen Trevino wrote: Scenario: I want to see all of the items tagged 'cscw' by people who also use the tag 'aoir' This would be a great way to try to get more targeted results without asking people to do something different - i.e. use this special tag or whatever - and if it had a feed that'd be even better. It wouldn't have to be just tags either - could be all the items tagged 'cscw' by people who have this URL. I know this is possible with a lot of clicking around right now, but it'd be great if it were directly supported - especially as the system gets more and more popular. Thanks, Ericka Menchen Trevino http://blog.erickamenchen.net ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] How to report spammers?
generally, send to me or [EMAIL PROTECTED] i'll set them as spammers now though joshua On Jan 6, 2006, at 6:56 AM, Philipp Keller wrote: Hi list is there a way/form to report tag spammers? software.download and dave80 are two of those guys.. greets Philipp ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] problem with tag
how do you mean by search? in the esarch engine? joshua On Jan 6, 2006, at 8:12 AM, bussiere bussiere wrote: i d'ont understand i have this link about io (a programming langage) : http://del.icio.us/bussiere/io tagged : tech io language programmation programming opensource open-source and that one about installing python (a programming langage) in french : http://del.icio.us/bussiere/python (the firs one) tagged : python installation windows programmation but when a i search for : python windows it give me only the one about io in my bookmark so it had to give me the python's one well any idea ? Regards Bussiere ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Daily blog posting
yes, there's a rewritten one using Atom that lets you choose specific tags to post with, which we will release after we've migrated to yahooland joshua On Jan 6, 2006, at 5:36 PM, Tony Hirst wrote: My taglist is a mess as I tend to use delicious for links that should rightly be ordered under different personal profiles, so whilst I'd love to make use of the daily blog posting, the feed that gets generated will contain a whole mix of different sorts of links. Is there anything on the cards that would allow me to generate daily feeds on one or more tags (eg I could use explict profile_ $thisProfile tags to 'partition' my links) tony ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] content of tags parameter is not passed on from post url to user page
This is by intention. We don't want publishers overly influencing the tags that get used by bookmarkers. Perhaps you could use the API instead? Joshua On Jan 10, 2006, at 6:31 PM, Martin Wood wrote: Hi, this is my first post here so apologies if this has come up before (also i havent find a usable way of searching the archives yet). Im trying to create links to delicious from my blog which prefills the tags for the bookmark but the problem im facing is that if i use http://del.icio.us/post as the url, then anything specified for the tags parameter in the query string is not passed onto my user page when it redirects. The url, title and notes all come through fine. Is this by design? or is it something that is going to be fixed? if its for a good reason, then so be it...if not, it would be very nice to have... the idea is to combine a technorati tags plugin with a delicious link plugin for wordpress so that when i mark up a post using [tag] keyword[/tag] the tags are prefilled for the delicious bookmark. :) if theres another solution for what im trying to do, please let me know. thanks, martin. ...apologies if this comes through twice, thunderbird tricked me the first time...still waiting for 1.5 -- http://relivethefuture.com/choronzon ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] del.icio.us blocking IP addresses?
Yes, we frequently have severe scraping and spidering from IP addresses in Japan and Germany. The German ones are all from the same range (as mentioned) and the Japanese ones vary a lot. I usually have to block them at hand (because the spiders cause a lot of load and wake me up at night.) We are working on making a more automated solution, but the outlook is not great. What is the IP address you are coming from? Joshua On Jan 11, 2006, at 8:23 PM, lomo wrote: hi! I am Japanese. I'm sorry in sentences of the automatic translation. I am the same situation as Mr. Markus. It became inaccessible from the personal computer of the company. There is no problem from home. It is sudden and it is very perplexed. from lomo ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] system:media:rss
rss links are not typically a url that people visit in a browser. but yeah, a store for your rss, getting it in and out as OPML, etc. is something that i've been idling with. i think though that it is very near but parallel to delicious for the moment. joshua On Jan 12, 2006, at 11:22 PM, Toby Padilla wrote: Have you guys thought of adding a filesystem tag for rss (system:media:rss)? What would be sweet is if I could tag rss feeds and some get access to them in OPML format with categories (for the other tags I used). It's pretty difficult to keep my rss collection synced up with things like Findory and Bloglines and this would help immensely.___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Delicious Lag?
Should be instant. Some of the servers are a bit lagged but if you are logged in it should be pretty quick. (We're still running way under capacity since the power outage and are hoping to get the migration to the bigger hardware done pretty soon.) Joshua On Jan 13, 2006, at 7:40 AM, Terry Donaghe wrote: Please forgive me if this is a horribly noobish issue. I'm having a problem with Delicious. When I tag a page, I'm getting serious lag between when I tag it and when it shows up on my Delicious page. Have I messed something up? Is this some new issue? There seems to be at least a 12 hour delay for me. It's kind of frustrating. Any ideas? Thanks! TAD ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] allowing users to reorder their bookmarks
Yes, ordering is something that is definitely on the todo list. The problem with combining orderings seems challenging, though. Some per bookmark ranking inferred by the order and then reimposed in different listings? I dunno. Joshua On Jan 11, 2006, at 3:05 PM, Amir Michail wrote: Hi, I think it might be useful to allow users to reorder their bookmarks, just as they can do in their browser. However, to take things further, why not allow users to reorder their bookmarks based on queries? For example, although clicking on the tag search shows me my bookmarks tagged with search, it would be good if I could also reorder those bookmarks with respect to that tag. In this way, users can get their own perfect rankings for queries. Moreover, if the system keeps track of these reorderings, it can construct a partial order of urls for each query. (Note that if you do not explicitly reorder any bookmarks, then there are no reorderings for the system to consider.) These partial orders can then be combined to produce better rankings for a global search. Although such rankings will no longer be perfect for users, they might be quite good anyway. Amir ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Delicious Lag?
Looking at the servers, nothing is very far behind right now so it'll be hard to reproduce if that was the problem. Joshua On Jan 13, 2006, at 8:09 AM, Terry Donaghe wrote: I just did another test and got decent results. Things are showing up now. Yesterday when I added a site, I clicked on the Tag button in the FireFox extension and entered the details and then clicked the save button. When I went to my Delicious page: http:// del.icio.us/tdonaghe the pages that I added did not show up. They didn't show up until this morning. I won't worry about it too much if it's starting to work better this morning. I was just afraid that I might have messed up some setting. TAD On 1/13/06, joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I mean it is supposed to be instant even now. In testing, a post showed up instantly on my own page. Where are you seeing it not show up? We've also been getting horrifically pounded by a DoS so even the unauth server group should be catching up as well. On Jan 13, 2006, at 7:59 AM, Terry Donaghe wrote: When you say Should be does this mean that it's a problem that's going to be resolved when the servers are no longer lagged? Do you know if anyone else is experiencing something similar? On 1/13/06, joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Should be instant. Some of the servers are a bit lagged but if you are logged in it should be pretty quick. (We're still running way under capacity since the power outage and are hoping to get the migration to the bigger hardware done pretty soon.) Joshua On Jan 13, 2006, at 7:40 AM, Terry Donaghe wrote: Please forgive me if this is a horribly noobish issue. I'm having a problem with Delicious. When I tag a page, I'm getting serious lag between when I tag it and when it shows up on my Delicious page. Have I messed something up? Is this some new issue? There seems to be at least a 12 hour delay for me. It's kind of frustrating. Any ideas? Thanks! TAD ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] More lag with tagging sites...
Hmm. Are you somehow using a browser that is not logged in or otherwise without cookies? Joshua On Jan 16, 2006, at 5:41 PM, Terry Donaghe wrote: I am doing a ctl-refresh on the window when I'm viewing it in FireFox. That should refresh the cache, right? Maybe I'm doing that part wrong. On 1/16/06, Mislav [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe you are viewing an obsolete browser cache? My apologies if you are more tech-aware than most people. -Mislav On 1/16/06, Terry Donaghe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I reported this odd behavior last week, but I'm seeing more weirdness today. I have tagged three sites today with the Firefox extension. None of them show up on my delicious page ( http:// del.icio.us/tdonaghe). ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Lag on RSS feeds
Yeah. The RSS server is way behind. We are getting pounded. I'm hoping to transfer the RSS serving to the new Yahoo servers today (and they are not behind) so that should be good. In the interim I've temporarily banned a bunch of the stuff we let in normally and the server is catching up. On Jan 17, 2006, at 8:57 AM, onat wrote: I am having a similar problem as them. I'm trying to put my links on my site. I am using both the del.icio.us linkroll javascript and a Wordpress plugin + MagpieRSS. When I go to my account, all the links that I recently added are all there but when I checked the RSS feed below the page, it is somewhat lagging. I added those links almost 24hrs ago and my del.icio.us feeds hasn't updated yet. del.icio.us/onat ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[delicious-discuss] argh
Well. Our RSS servers, after catching up for a while, have fallen behind again. I believe we've identified the culprit (a whole lot of machines pounding us) and it's catching up quickly now. In the meantime, I've pushed RSS and some other stuff to another facility. Not quite synced up but better than we had before... Joshua -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Browse by tag not working for my account...
I got the support email and haven't had a chance to deal with it. It's likely you got automatically marked as spam because everything was to the same site. This looks less like bookmarking activity and more like advertising, no? Joshua On Jan 18, 2006, at 12:13 PM, Todd Levy wrote: So I tried submitting a request to delicious support about a week ago and haven't heard back and figured I'd try posting her in case someone else has run into this issue before. Basically, if I browse to the top-level of my account everything looks fine... http://del.icio.us/armyvideos ...but when I try to choose a tag to drill-down it says I have no items... http://del.icio.us/armyvideos/teamwork Any thoughts or help in this matter greatly appreciated. TL ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[delicious-discuss] inbox
we're getting close to moving a bunch of stuff to the yahoo datacenters. when i recreate the inbox on the new machine, i can make it so that a url can show up your inbox only a single time. i think this would a) be faster on our end, b) be nicer on the user end, but c) prevent us from someday doing inbox popularity (which is probably a long way off) any thoughts? -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[delicious-discuss] migration tonight
we're migrating to the new yahoo servers tonight at midnight EST. should be pretty quick. those who want to help us squash bugs can be on irc.del.icio.us #delicious (we're also releasing slightly newer code at the same time) joshua -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] migration tonight
This is done, btw. Some small issues remain which we are still working on. Joshua On Jan 21, 2006, at 9:41 PM, joshua schachter wrote: we're migrating to the new yahoo servers tonight at midnight EST. should be pretty quick. those who want to help us squash bugs can be on irc.del.icio.us #delicious (we're also releasing slightly newer code at the same time) joshua -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] And 2 Other People
Yeah, that means zero other people :) joshua On Jan 24, 2006, at 8:35 PM, Songbird wrote: I have a few sites I have saved to del.icio and they do not say something like and 1 other person or and 37 other people'. They say nothing. Does this mean that no one else has linked to them in del.icio? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.22/239 - Release Date: 1/24/2006 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] video display with del.icio.us ?
http://del.icio.us/popular/system:media:video ? Joshua On Jan 20, 2006, at 7:27 PM, bussiere maillist wrote: well i've seen before my hard disk crash a pulg in in python that displayed me some latest popular video by categorie with del.icio.us does someone have any idea how it was done ? thanks a lot Bussiere ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] tag renaming page
We definitely need to rework this, both back- and front-end. Also I've been thinking about persistent renames -- what if you rename X to Y, and then habitually continue to use X? Maybe username/ X should redirect to username/Y etc? Joshua On Jan 22, 2006, at 12:23 PM, sheila miguez wrote: congrats on a smooth migration. Will you guys be changing the tag settings page to be more like the style of other pages in del.icio.us? The page has drop-down lists (clunky for someone with a lot of tags). The other pages have cloud views with in-place behaviors. Deletion has in-place yes/no. Bundle setting uses a cloud view with a text-box that is used like the concept of a drop-box area. The tag renaming interface could be more like these, no? frobbing widgets on top, tag cloud below. Except that it doesn't work well for doing two types of things--deletion may be more suited to a page with it's own cloudview and a drop-stack at the top with a submit button (because a tagcloud with clicks revealing yes/no? links would be too prone to accidential deletions, besides the drop stack allows for fewer numbers of clicks when deleting multiple tags.) hmmm. tag settings page with rename/delete tabs? eh. -- sheila ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] daily links
I don't see any posting items scheduled for your account (which i am guessing is "jeffisageek") Joshua Jeff wrote: My daily links did not post today? Is that messed up again? or is it on my side? Just curious. Jeff -- mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | web: http://www.teknokool.net IM: jeffisageek (yahoo) |IM: jeffisageek (MSN) ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] daily links
Or is it teknocool? posting error was: 500 Can't connect to www.teknokool.net:80 (Bad hostname 'www.teknokool.net') perhaps there was a DNS outage at the time somewhere? Joshua Schachter wrote: I don't see any posting items scheduled for your account (which i am guessing is jeffisageek) Joshua Jeff wrote: My daily links did not post today? Is that messed up again? or is it on my side? Just curious. Jeff -- mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | web: http://www.teknokool.net IM: jeffisageek (yahoo) | IM: jeffisageek (MSN) ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] feature suggestion/request for discussion
1. Title extension. In my own link collection, I like to expand upon the title a bit as a memory-jogger for myself, perhaps incorporating the title into my one-liner commentary about the page. Before you suggest description, I don't use the description for this, because that's where I like to save a short quote from the page so that in case my link goes 404, I can search for a copy elsewhere. For example, today's CNN headline Postal shooter's former neighbor found dead might appear in my collection as California Postal shooter's former neighbor found dead next day in home where only the original title is hyperlinked. This is why the title is editable. 2. Sorting. Having the display sortable only reverse chronologically by date added is horrible. There should be options for alpha by title and popularity (num users linking to page), at least. If the above idea were adopted, the sort by title should allow by actual page title (the link itself) as well as the user-expanded title. Does alpha ordering provide anything that search does not? This keeps coming up and I'm not entirely sure it's all that sueful. 3. Display. I like to get more on a page, preferably without scrolling. How about an option to not display descriptions - rather, put them in the title attribute of the link so they appear when on mouse hover? Interesting idea. 4. Domain autotagging. I think it would be useful if the domain of the story were automatically used as a tag, so a user could quickly pull up all links he has from cnn.com, for instance. You wouldn't be able to edit these tags, of course, as they are implicit in the URL, but otherwise should work pretty much the same. If it's automatic, then it is not a tag. You can search for domains, though. 5. Favicons. If domain autotagging is done, it wouldn't be too hard to store the URL to a site's favicon, if it has one, and then display the favicon for the domain in the bookmark entry. One of the primary uses of favicons is bookmark lists in the browser because they help with visual identity; they'd be useful in the same way for bookmark lists on the web. Naturally, this should be optional for those who feel it slows their page loads too much. We don't currently fetch anything on a store. This may change in the future. I'm more interested in doing page thumbnails instead, though. Joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] feature suggestion/request for discussion
But then the original title is not preserved. Just because the reader thinks he can improve the title does not mean the author's title for the page is not important as well. The point is so that you can get back to the original document. The titles are very frequently unhelpful on many sites. The creator owns the site, but the reader owns the bookmark. Please explain important in that context. A search is a filter. I don't always want to filter. I just prefer an alternate presentation of the same information. When scanning a list, alphabetical order is a more natural style for many people. Maybe it's just conditioning because so many lists are alpha sorted, but if it works for people, why not have it? Since it keeps coming up, maybe it is a hint that many people would find it useful even if you personally do not. Again, I'm not sure that other things work like this is a good explanation - what is the mechanism and use case in which alpha order helps? I don't agree. If there are aspects of the page that I'm going to use as tags anyway, why not give the option to have it done automatically? Autotag it! Traditional web searches rely completely on what the producer has supplied - the content. Bookmarks give a limited ability for the user to have some input on his browsing experience. Delicious greatly enhances this ability by letting the user easily categorize and share the bookmarks. I think the ideal bookmarking system as a collaboration between the content producer and content consumer. The producer makes something worth noticing, the consumer takes notice and bookmarks it. There must be something inherently interesting/noteworthy in the content, otherwise the consumer wouldn't bookmark it. Why not take advantage of some of the things the producer has already included in the content when you bookmark it? There must be _some_ overlap between what the producer and consumer think is noteworthy about the content, right? That is to say, certain tags the consumer will use are, or could be, inherent in the page. For example, the domain. People's minds are funny things - sometimes I recall I read an interesting article last week on cnn.com, but darned if I can remember what it was about. Sure, I _could_ put cnn.com as a tag, but if the system could (optionally) do this automatically for me, why not? It sure would be convenient to go to delicious/user/cnn.com to quickly find the page I remembered. This would be very useful to me. In implementation, this autotag would have to be checked on updates to make sure the domain didn't change (maybe the original link went 404 and it moved to a new host) but that wouldn't be terribly hard - or maybe handle it as a virtual tag based on the saved URL, which is obviously always correct. It might be useful to flag these as part of a different tag space so that the user-chosen tag cloud/list doesn't become overwhelmed, though - easily done if it's a virtual tag. Another example, the author's name. I bookmark articles and commentary, and could put CalThomas or DanKnight as a tag for their pages. But if the page already knew this information (and it usually does, just not often in a standardized way), it would be awfully slick if that tag was done for me since I'm going to use it anyway. Many pages have a link rel=author tag generally used for email addresses. It seems to have a partner in meta name=author that is perfect, currently in limited use. As popular as delicious is becoming, it could drive the usage of this meta tag to increase as it would finally do something useful. Another example, the author-supplied keywords from the meta tag. Maybe a good starting point for the consumer's own tags is the producer's tags. I probably wouldn't use this myself, but some people might find this useful in addition to the current recommended tags. This is wrong-headed. The domain is metadata. Tags are metadata + attention; people tag so as to identify the things they feel are important, not what the publisher feels is important. I'm fairly sure if I added the meta stuff or the domains or whatever to your account, you'd find it vastly annoying. How do I search for a domain? I tried putting a domain I've bookmarked from (like cnn.com) in the search box, but didn't come up with anything. This isn't nearly as nice an interface as just clicking tag names. Simplicity is why I use delicious. If I wanted to search, I'd go to Google. It should Just Work. Perhaps something is broken. I personally think a favicon can often be a better representation of a page than a thumbnail. Small images are not necessarily iconic. Road signs have distinctive colors and shapes to be iconic of their general meaning - they'd be less useful if all were white rectangles with black text. Apple learned this lesson in MacOS X - though minimized items showed as thumbnails in the Dock, it was hard to distinguish multiple documents. Overlaying the
Re: [delicious-discuss] feature suggestion/request for, discussion
Yeah, this is definitely something we are thinking about. There's a bunch of odd sub-effects floating around, though. What if while looking at tag X, you you put link A below link B. Then look at tag Y, which also contains links A and B. What's the expected ordering? Perhaps I we should just let people star items? It'd certainly be a simpler UI... I've always been against it, though; why bookmark a bad item? I dunno. Joshua Angus Fraser wrote: To add to the the discussion on wether search is satisfactory alternative to other ways of sorting. I'm not interested in alpha sorting particularly but do think there is something exciting about being able to publish a list of links sorted by their importance/value to me rather than just when I added them to del.icio.us. If it was possible to arbitrarlily sort my links within a tag listing (so that that order is retained when I and others view the listing) it would be particularly valuable for me and potentially for others and del.licio.us. It's an addition to del.licio.us' data set: not only did lots of people add this link but some of them bumped it up to the top of their list of links for this tag for me I'm now publishing my opinion of the relative value of a link not just the fact that I discovered it/liked it thought it was related to a topic/tag. Of course its not obvious to me how to reconcile this with the beauty/simplicity of the current model where new good stuff takes priority and can be subscribed to via rss. Angus ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Navigation continued...
On Feb 5, 2006, at 12:22 PM, sheila miguez wrote: * btw, I'm sure someone must have considered list recency and primacy effects with respect to recall? anything interesting from that which informs this discussion? e.g. Someone haves a vague feeling that they saved something, and will possibly remember that it was close in time or far in time. at least they could partition their data based on this to do a sort or search, no? Yeah, but the list really forces the partition to recently and everything else I doubt users can recall i did that a month ago vs i did that three months ago unfortunately. Joshua -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Spam on Del.icio.us?
There's a bunch of heuristics to deal with this stuff. Looks like we need a few more. Thanks for pointing this out. Joshua On Feb 12, 2006, at 1:09 PM, Greg Ritter wrote: Wow, I'm sure this has happened before, but this is the first time I've noticed spam on the del.icio.us/popular page. This afternoon there is a series of 20+ links all with the title of [Celebrity name] in Relationships, all posted initially by the same account, all also posted by the same dozen other accounts, and all of the links point to a machine-generated crap page on the same website (which is selling some relationship analysis bullshit). The 20+ links are all for celebrity pages that have first names starting with A, and it looks like the original cockroach (username: shlomot) has loaded del.icio.us up with almost 300 of these spam links tied to celebrity names (although his other fake accounts don't seem to have linked all 300 yet). How common is this problem? How is it dealt with? --greg ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Feature Request: Search doesn't include option to edit
This list gets a few hundred spam emails a day. I try to go in and accept posts now and then but it's a lot of work. We're going to probably shut down the list and move to a yahoo group at some point. There's no good reason to use up actual people to moderate this. (And uhhh is it just me or i'm not subscribed to this list kinda rude?) If you want to get email to us, use [EMAIL PROTECTED] Edit on the search link is coming; the search engine isn't realtime (the penalty for speed) and we are working on this. On Feb 12, 2006, at 7:00 PM, Dan Miller wrote: Hello, I tried to send this message about 2 months ago, but was denied as I wasn't a member of the list. I figured that wouldn't matter because eventually a moderator would get to my post. Guess not. You guys really should have responsive moderators if you want the anonymous public to get legitimate messages though and get mailing list time. And so the original message continues. I've been using delicious for a few months now and thinks its a semi-interesting idea that has some good uses. One thing that I'm confused about is why when I go to my page on delicious (del.icio.us/albino) and do a search for an entry I've posted can I not edit that entry as I would if I had done: My Page -- Find bookmark (Probably Ctrl-F with browser) -- edit/delete. Your search should be useful for editing and deleting too. Also while were at it with the suggestions. You guys should look into suggestions. I mean, say I'm browsing someones bookmarks and I find that some one has made a typo on one of their tags for one of their entries. I could be able to send them a fix. Then when they login next they should have a a page somewhere that lets them click _one_ button to accept the change. I would prefer something that looks like: Fix from $username: Suggest changing tag on bookmark $link_bookmark_title to $corrected_tag_name $link_accept $link_deny $link_ignore_suggestions_from_this_user_forever Or better yet, just a plain tag suggestion: Suggest adding tag on bookmark $bookmark_title to $suggested_tag_name $link_accept $$link_deny $link_ignore_suggestions_from_this_user_forever You get the general idea. Then people could setup white lists for friends that they trust to be able to automatically suggest fixes. This way when I make a typo or forget a tag people I know can help me to correct this. Its not just social bookmarking, its _collaborative_ social bookmarking. If you ever get around to implementing the suggestions+friends white list idea you should keep revision history on changes so I can revert to what I had before if I disagree with a friend. After all, they are my bookmarks. But thats more of a feature request on top of a feature request. Please add me to the CC for replies, I'm not subscribed to this list. Thanks Dan PS Is there a good place for feature requests for delicious? If not I think you guys should setup an email address or something. I couldn't find anything on the website and this mailing lists seemed like the best place to me. I apologize if it's off-topic. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Re: Feature Request: Search doesn't include option to edit
It can't distinguish between spam non-members and legitimate non- members, so I get a message and a whine for each user. Unfortunately, I don't think we're going to be allowed to run the mail server in the future. So it'll be Groups unless there's some other reasonable thing out there. Joshua On Feb 13, 2006, at 10:54 AM, Björn Lindström wrote: joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This list gets a few hundred spam emails a day. I try to go in and accept posts now and then but it's a lot of work. We're going to probably shut down the list and move to a yahoo group at some point. There's no good reason to use up actual people to moderate this. Can't you just block postings from non-members, and white list any legitimate non-member postings, like this one (which goes via Gmane). In my experience that limits the moderation work to almost nothing. Using a service like Yahoo might solve the spam problem, but as others have said, they add their own to each message instead. Of course, with your special relationship to Yahoo, maybe you can get them to turn off the ads for this list. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Rate for polling Delicious RSS feeds?
We have lots of scrapers hitting /url and /rss/url very rapidly, including TailRank. As per our ToS, this is not acceptable. I'd need to get a better idea what you are using the data for and so on before I can unblock this. Contact me offline. Joshua Kevin Burton wrote: OK. I'm trying to poll Delicious for all tags for a given URL. The API doesn't provide this (if it does please tell me I'm wrong) so I'm having to resort to the API. In the RSS world more than once an hour is too aggressive. In this case though I'm using it as a RESTian API so polling once per 5 seconds seems reasonable especially since the Delicious API is once per second. Now I'm banned and I can't get anyone at support to give me a way out of this problem. 1. Can someone at delicous unban 64.34.161.37 and 64.34.179.237 2. Can someone tell me the correct threshold to sleep for ot avoid a ban. 3. If there's a better way to do this let me know. I seriously don't mind being polite but I just need to be told what "polite" is in this situation :) Kevin -- Kevin A. Burton, Location - San Francisco, CA AIM/YIM - sfburtonator,Web - http://www.feedblog.org/ GPG fingerprint: 5FB2 F3E2 760E 70A8 6174 D393 E84D 8D04 99F1 4412 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] dead horses and shared accounts
We're working privacy and groups right now -- finally getting ahead of the growth curve in terms of hardware so we have someplace to redo schemas and all that. Joshua Brian Del Vecchio wrote: Back in October Joshua was talking about some exciting social features in development, which would make this sort of collaboration very easy. That was right before the acquisition, and I haven't heard much about them since. Joshua, would you care to comment on the current schedule for those features? We'll gladly interpret no response as "I'm chilling on my new yacht in the Carribean, suckas!" 8^) notes from October: http://hybernaut.com/joshua-schachter-berkman-visit On 2/13/06, Chris Lott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once again, I'm trying to devise a middle ground between account sharing (ugly for authentication, etc) and the data loss that comes from RSS feeds only retaining some recent items which makes the ideal model of just sharing tags a little less useful (so when I want to repurpose myuniquetag+widgets every six months I only see the most recent selection, but need all of them). What about having feeds available in the API for a ALL items with tag X (and tag intersections) in del.icio.us while the public RSS feeds remain just a limited, recent selection? Then you could quash abusers but still make collaboration a bit easier for organizations... -- Brian Del Vecchio | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://hybernaut.com/ ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Daily Link Setup question
Bizarre. We're just using the plain old Perl XML-RPC provided by the Soap::Lite module from CPAN... Joshua Jake McKee wrote: I'm working on integrating the Daily Links functionality into my BlogFusion (www.blogfusion.com) application. Way cool stuff. But I noticed when I received the first Daily Links posting last night that the actual message content sent was a binary: |60117108329910897115115613410010110810599105171153462109601081056210996010010511832991089711511561341001011081059910517115451081051101073462609732104114101102613410411611611258474710314105108108971099711510746110101116471001151151119946115104116109108346268971051081213283104193232453232831119910597108327810111611914107105110103604797626047100105118621096047108105621096010810562109960100105118329910897115115613410010110810599105171154510810511010734626097321041141011026134104116116112584747119119119461099711411710911711510410546990947971121121154710210810599107114103114971121044710210810599107114103114971121044699102109346210210810599107114711149711210460479762604710010511862109960100105118329910897115115613410010110810599105171154511697103115346240116971031155832609732104114101102613410411611611258474710010110846105991051114611711547115105110107471001011151051031103462100101115105103110604797623260973210411410110261341041161161125847471001011084610599105111461171154711510511010747119101981001011151051031103462119101981001011151051031106047976232609732104114101102613410411611611258474710010110846105991051114611711547115105110107471191019834621191019860479762416047100105118621096047108105621096010810562109960100105118329910897115115613410010110810599105171154510810511010734626097321041141011026134104116116112584747119119119461051101181051151051010311710510010146990947104101971141164710210897115104471051101001011209511410110346104116109108346284104101327311086105115105103271117105100101321161113297327210197108116104121327210197114116604797626047100105118621099601001051183299108971151156134100101108105991051711545101120116101110100101100346270108971151043211211410111510111011697116105103202321171101001011141151169711010010511010332104193211610410132104101971141163211914107115321051103297321181051151179710832109971101101011146047100105118621099601001051183299108971151156134100101108105991051711545116971031153462401169710311558326097321041141011026134104116116112584747100101108461059910511146117115471151051101074710210897115104346210210897115104604797623260973210411410110261341041161161125847471001011084610599105111461171154711510511010747119101981001011151051031103462119101981001011151051031106047976241604710010511862109604710810562109601081056210996010010511832991089711511561341001011081059910517115451081051101073462609732104114101102613410411611611258474711911911946117110109101100105971161011004614103479711499104105118101115475048485447485047101| |[truncated] ...rather than the string that is expected by my XMLRPC app and per the API spec. I'm confused what's really being sent, and how to translate that into postable HTML/string content. Can anyone help me out? Thanks! Jake | ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] dead horses and shared accounts
They could already do that. Infoworld does. But what does "trust" mean? I'm not really sure it's our job to make up for their lack of metadata search... Michael Stillwell wrote: On 24/02/06, Joshua Schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're working privacy and groups right now -- finally getting ahead of the growth curve in terms of hardware so we have someplace to redo schemas and all that. Excellent! Will this make it possible for e.g. the nytimes to have a "nytimes" del.icio.us user, under which they would tag all their articles, which I could then "trust"? I would very much like to be able to do searches like "site:nytimes.com author:natalieangier". --M. -- http://beebo.org +44 78 2118 9049 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] dead horses and shared accounts
I am not entirely sure what problem this solves, exactly. Joshua manuel 'fmf' ferrero wrote: Joshua Schachter, on 24/02/2006 4.26: We're working privacy and groups right now -- finally getting ahead of the growth curve in terms of hardware so we have someplace to redo schemas and all that. There is some chance to have OpenId (http://www.openid.net/) in del.icio.us? ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] del.icio.us links in new window
Mostly, hold control while clicking links... We had this originally but it drove most users insane. Randy Bain wrote: Is there a way to make Del.icio.us links on my blog and web sitesopen in a new window? ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Blog integration, per-URL RSS feeds, and throttling
We see this a lot: some variant of for every URL i know about, hit delicious and we have had to put in autothrottling. We're working on having an API for people to get at the tags and bookmarks for sites they own -- any authentication ideas? Joshua On Mar 1, 2006, at 6:51 PM, l.m.orchard wrote: Hey all - I'm playing around with using the per-URL RSS feeds to implement some del integration on my blog, and I'm running into throttling. I'd like to figure out how not to run afoul of it, if it's possible at all. But, if this rig won't work at all, I'll forget about it. My goal is to query bookmark counts and bookmarks themselves, based on blog entry permalink, and display that information next to entry titles. What I've got set up is this: * I've got an RSS-to-JSON PHP script with a configurable cache age, set to 1 hour for now. * JS on my blog pages request a JSON feed from my RSS-to-JSON script for each entry displayed. * The RSS-to-JSON script is used to hit the per-URL RSS feed, based on blog entry permalink. So, if there are 8 entries shown on the index page, a hit will result in 8 hits to my RSS-to-JSON script. If the cached RSS feed is stale or not yet fetched for any of these entries, requests to del are made. But, for every subsequent hit over the next hour (or whatever max age I set), no requests should go through to del.icio.us for feeds for these blog entries. The general behavior, then, is that my server makes requests close- clustered in time for RSS feeds on blog entry permalinks. But, the cache should absorb repeat hits on any single feed. Also, depending on visitor behavior on archived links, my server might make a steady beat of hits to separate RSS feeds for entries not in the cache. I'd guess that this would be less than one per second, though, since my site's not really that popular. When I first turned this stuff on, my server (decafbad.com, 67.19.3.234) made a slew of quick requests before it appeared to settle down. But, it looks like it's all 503's for the last hour, so I'm not sure if I'm temporarily or permanently throttled. If permanently, then I say, D'oh. If temporarily, then I'm wondering how this rig could be tweaked or reworked so as not to anger the del.icio.us gods? Or, is it just a cracked idea that needs to be scrapped? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.decafbad.com ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] How do you comment on the meaning of your tags?
We'll also be rolling out a way to explain your tags. Probably less complicated... Joshua Clifford Caoile wrote: Hi all, I had a thought (probably not original) of using del.icio.us itself to comment on the meaning of a tag. Okay, one's own idea of the meaning of a tag. Why? Suppose I want to remember why I chose that tag's name or a group of tags for a particular concept. Where would I want to store those notes? Online, of course! Here's my process: 1. Log into your del.icio.us page, etc, and go to your bookmarks. 2. Type in the tags search box define+tag and start the search. define will be your meta-tag for identifying posts, and tag is the tag you want to define. I suppose you can put more tags at the same time: define+tag1+tag2 3. You will get an empty page. 4. Post/bookmark this page to del.icio.us: First type define and tag in the tags field. Then, type your description in the notes field. Save your bookmark. Then when you go to your own define tag page, you'll get a listing of all the tags that you commented. For example: del.icio.us/example/define+forum+mine my comments to posts on other people's forums to define forum mine ... on 1970-01-01 ... edit / delete Of course, there's not much benefit in defining every tag or group of tags, but maybe its a useful cheat sheet for remembering and at a later time, sorting and maintenance. Plus the notes are saved with your links when you export/backup. Do you use a similar system? Are there others that have fleshed out this idea? Best regards, Clifford piyokun Caoile ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Subscribing to Tag Intersections?
Alas, no, this does not work. We need to replace the inbox with a differnet mechanism. Joshua Paul Swartz wrote: I tried subscribing to a tag intersection (code+theory), but posts aren't showing up in my inbox. There are new posts, because I can see them on the tag-specific page. Is this not a supported feature of the inbox? Is there a work around? thanks, -p ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[delicious-discuss] new features
hi, we rolled out a few new features last night: a new /url page as well as inline editing and deletion. tonight at midnight pacific, i'm going to take the site down so i can put in database changes in preparation for releasing private posts and related features next week. i expect the site to be down for four hours. [sorry for the late notice; i forgot to hit send] joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] new features
Mostly because it seems like infoclutter and not actually useful to people, especially when there are lots of bookmarks of the url. Additionally the file transfered is quite large. I really don't get the feeling that the view as displayed before was particularly useful to most users. I'm considering a different view when there is a lower number of bookmarks of the url itself. Pietro Speroni di Fenizio wrote: Hello Joshua, hello everybody. I just notice that we no longer have the possibility to see the whole tag cloud (in terms of all the tags that has been used with their multiplicity) in the specific page of a url. Can I ask you a) why? b) will this just be temporarily? Because if this info is not provided I am really not interested to be part of it anymore. Sorry. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] new features
Well, there's a number of different things I'd like to expose, and it seems to be challenging to cover them all. I want to expose the commentary, since that seems to indicate a much higher level of interest on the part of the bookmarker; this seems to have a nice texture and is pleasant to read. I want to expose who found this, especially those that found it first, as a sort of incentive and/or props, even more especially the first finder. I want to expose recent activity at the top of the page (the part with the highest attention.) I want to minimize the number of cluttered links; I don't really think the big pile of links is all that useful. I remain unconvinced that people click on the tag links. I want to remove the frequently duplicated titles (people very rarely change stuff; this seems to be another indicator of more information.) I want to definitely keep the pages from being exceedingly vertical (in the case of things that are very frequently bookmarked.) I really like the per-month chunks in general; it seems like a better way to group things. So we'll continue to work on this stuff, I guess. Philip King wrote: On Friday, 10 March, 2006, Toby Padilla said: Ha, looks like you just changed this. Please disregard! Great work :) Still a mess in my view. There are some good new elements but a great deal of clarity has been lost. Now we have two different display styles for closely similar information, one which presents a simple list of items, each entry self-contained with all the relevant details in one spot, and the other where the details are broken up and scattered around the window. The new presentation simply requires too much mental interpretation and the eye has to dart around to make sense of it, so it no longer appears calm and ordered. I feel that the baby has been thrown out with the bath-water. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] new features
I am merely unconvinced that people are able to get value out of a giant blob of text. I do see that it's a possible venue for discovery for following links, but I think the potential value of the general view is diminished by the enormous pile. Johan Sundstrm wrote: I want to minimize the number of cluttered links; I don't really think the big pile of links is all that useful. I remain unconvinced that people click on the tag links. The value is not in the clickability of the links, but in the information conveyed by their names. This is processed by scanning the links visually, rather than by clicking them, which is thus a useless metric about what value they add. Human perception is exceptional at processing this kind of data, as mentioned earlier in the thread, and it's one of those many things that made Del.icio.us very useful for all sorts of things never planned for in advance. If the tag link clickability is for some reason a nail in your eye (though it makes little sense to me), by all means cut the linkedness aspect. But the textual data is valuable, to researchers and casual human readers alike. So keep that. Decent compromise? -- / Johan Sundstrm, http://ecmanaut.blogspot.com/ ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] bookmark reminders
What would the mechanism be, then? Amir Michail wrote: Hi, Is there a way to get del.icio.us to remind me of links that I bookmarked? The current web page in my browser could be used as a trigger for example. Moreover, users could even list trigger web pages when bookmarking a link. This is like similar links but the user has total control over his/her suggestions/triggers. Amir ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Bug: RSS inbox feed spews links from random people
Yes, I am aware of this one. It happens occasionally and I've still been trying to track it down. I'm pretty sure the bug is in the underlying caching layer (that we didn't write) but has thus far not yielded to any sort of automated testing. Very frustrating. Matt wrote: Howdy all, Every few days, my delicious RSS inbox (which I read using Bloglines) spews about 30 links from random users that I'm not subscribed to. Here are screenshots of the latest occurrence of this, which happened an hour or so ago: http://ljbox.com/fjarlq/tmp/delicious/delicious1.png http://ljbox.com/fjarlq/tmp/delicious/delicious2.png http://ljbox.com/fjarlq/tmp/delicious/delicious3.png http://ljbox.com/fjarlq/tmp/delicious/delicious4.png This is the RSS address I'm subscribed to: http://del.icio.us/rss/inbox/fjarlq Here's what my delicious inbox is subscribed to: http://del.icio.us/inbox/fjarlq I'm only subscribed to users, no tags. Haven't changed my subscription list in a good while. I've never seen this when I visit my inbox directly at http://del.icio.us/inbox/fjarlq -- but then I hardly ever do that, while Bloglines is downloading the RSS feed every hour or so. A couple friends of mine (who also use Bloglines) have seen this too. I skimmed the delicious-discuss archives but didn't see anybody else reporting this... does this ring a bell with anybody? Any ideas? Thanks, Matt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] One question about related tags
The reality of it is practically nobody uses even intersections. Adding
generic set calculus would likely greatly degrade performance.
On the otherhand, unions (as discussed) are probably likely.
Larson, Timothy E. wrote:
Mislav wrote:
In addition, a hypen character can't be an operator ("yahoo-software")
because tons of people are using it for phrases ("e-book programming
to-read").
That's not the end of the world. You'd have to convert them all to
underscores, or camelCased, or something, and email the users of the
change "to improve the functionality and user experience of
del.icio.us".
Personally, my most wanted boolean operator for del.icio.us is tag
union. It would open a load of possibilities.
The greater variety of set operations, the better. Delicious can only
benefit from it, IMO.
Tim
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Re: [delicious-discuss] Related Items
Via some algorithm I made up. Somewhat difficult to explain Jshwaz wrote: When a user clicks on the link to see who else has saved a link, on the right is an option to see related items. Does anyone know how these related items are established? -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Related-Items-t1273635.html#a3381434 Sent from the Delicious (del.icio.us) forum at Nabble.com. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Supplement/replacement for del.icio.us/api/posts/ that gets posts by all users
Use the RSS feeds to get a recent set of items for a given tag. Joshua Gijs Kruitbosch wrote: Hello all, I'm wondering if I'm being silly and missing something entirely obvious, but from the times I tried to use the API, specifically, the posts API, it only gets your own posts. This is not entirely clear from the documentation, but what's more, I haven't been able to find an API method that does get *all* posts, instead of just the ones by the authenticated user. Am I missing something? Is it really lacking? If so, are there plans to provide us with an API to do that? I don't really fancy scraping the html of the homepage or a search results page back into a usable XML format (though it's probably entirely possible). If anyone is concerned or wondering, I'm trying to do a mashup that gets resources based on (a) tag(s) from multiple web services (del.icio.us, Flickr, Plazes, Newsvine, YouTube... etc. ). I'd appreciate any clarity on the matter. Thanks in advance, Gijs Kruitbosch ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] bookmark reminders
There's no way for us to know what sites you visit outside of the context of delicious. People have asked for us to have the system do some sort of click-tracking to find when you actually click on your links so we can order them by most/least frequently clicked etc. Joshua Amir Michail wrote: On 3/14/06, Joshua Schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What would the mechanism be, then? I guess you mean how would a user know which URL triggers to use? When bookmarking a url, in addition to suggesting relevant tags, you could also suggest urls that the user frequently visits that seem related. Amir Amir Michail wrote: Hi, Is there a way to get del.icio.us to remind me of links that I bookmarked? The current web page in my browser could be used as a trigger for example. Moreover, users could even list trigger web pages when bookmarking a link. This is like "similar links" but the user has total control over his/her suggestions/triggers. Amir ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
