Re: [zfs-discuss] hardware sizing for a zfs-based system?

2007-09-17 Thread Kent Watsen
Probably not, my box has 10 drives and two very thirsty FX74 processors and it draws 450W max. At 1500W, I'd be more concerned about power bills and cooling than the UPS! Yeah - good point, but I need my TV! - or so I tell my wife so I can play with all this gear :-X Cheers, Kent

Re: [zfs-discuss] hardware sizing for a zfs-based system?

2007-09-16 Thread Adam Lindsay
Heya Kent, Kent Watsen wrote: It sounds good, that way, but (in theory), you'll see random I/O suffer a bit when using RAID-Z2: the extra parity will drag performance down a bit. I know what you are saying, but I , wonder if it would be noticeable? I Well, noticeable again comes back to

Re: [zfs-discuss] hardware sizing for a zfs-based system?

2007-09-16 Thread Anton B. Rang
- can have 6 (2+2) w/ 0 spares providing 6000 GB with MTTDL of 28911.68 years This should, of course, set off one's common-sense alert. it is 91 times more likely to fail and this system will contain data that I don't want to risk losing If you don't want to risk losing data, you need

Re: [zfs-discuss] hardware sizing for a zfs-based system?

2007-09-16 Thread Kent Watsen
I know what you are saying, but I , wonder if it would be noticeable? I Well, noticeable again comes back to your workflow. As you point out to Richard, it's (theoretically) 2x IOPS difference, which can be very significant for some people. Yeah, but my point is if it would be noticeable

Re: [zfs-discuss] hardware sizing for a zfs-based system?

2007-09-16 Thread Ian Collins
Kent Watsen wrote: Glad you brought that up - I currently have an APC 2200XL (http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SU2200XLNET) - its rated for 1600 watts, but my current case selections are saying they have a 1500W 3+1, should I be worried? Probably not,

Re: [zfs-discuss] hardware sizing for a zfs-based system?

2007-09-15 Thread Kent Watsen
Hey Adam, My first posting contained my use-cases, but I'd say that video recording/serving will dominate the disk utilization - thats why I'm pushing for 4 striped sets of RAIDZ2 - I think that it would be all around goodness It sounds good, that way, but (in theory), you'll see random

Re: [zfs-discuss] hardware sizing for a zfs-based system?

2007-09-15 Thread Kent Watsen
Nit: small, random read I/O may suffer. Large random read or any random write workloads should be ok. Given that video-serving is all sequential-read, is it correct that that raidz2, specifically 4(4+2), would be just fine? For 24 data disks there are enough combinations that it is not

Re: [zfs-discuss] hardware sizing for a zfs-based system?

2007-09-15 Thread Kent Watsen
Sorry, but looking again at the RMP page, I see that the chassis I recommended is actually different than the one we have. I can't find this chassis only online, but here's what we bought: http://www.siliconmechanics.com/i10561/intel-storage-server.php?cat=625 That is such a cool looking

Re: [zfs-discuss] hardware sizing for a zfs-based system?

2007-09-15 Thread Kent Watsen
[CC-ing xen-discuss regarding question below] Probably a 64 bit dual core with 4GB of (ECC) RAM would be a good starting point. Agreed. So I was completely out of a the ball-park - I hope the ZFS Wiki can be updated to contain some sensible hardware-sizing information... One option I'm

Re: [zfs-discuss] hardware sizing for a zfs-based system?

2007-09-14 Thread Kent Watsen
I will only comment on the chassis, as this is made by AIC (short for American Industrial Computer), and I have three of these in service at my work. These chassis are quite well made, but I have experienced the following two problems: snip Oh my, thanks for the heads-up! Charlie at

Re: [zfs-discuss] hardware sizing for a zfs-based system?

2007-09-14 Thread Adam Lindsay
Kent Watsen wrote: I'm putting together a OpenSolaris ZFS-based system and need help picking hardware. Fun exercise! :) I'm thinking about using this 26-disk case: [FYI: 2-disk RAID1 for the OS 4*(4+2) RAIDZ2 for SAN] What are you *most* interested in for this server? Reliability?

Re: [zfs-discuss] hardware sizing for a zfs-based system?

2007-09-14 Thread Kent Watsen
Fun exercise! :) Indeed! - though my wife and kids don't seem to appreciate it so much ;) I'm thinking about using this 26-disk case: [FYI: 2-disk RAID1 for the OS 4*(4+2) RAIDZ2 for SAN] What are you *most* interested in for this server? Reliability? Capacity? High Performance?

Re: [zfs-discuss] hardware sizing for a zfs-based system?

2007-09-14 Thread Adam Lindsay
Kent Watsen wrote: What are you *most* interested in for this server? Reliability? Capacity? High Performance? Reading or writing? Large contiguous reads or small seeks? One thing that I did that got a good feedback from this list was picking apart the requirements of the most demanding

Re: [zfs-discuss] hardware sizing for a zfs-based system?

2007-09-14 Thread Richard Elling
comments from a RAS guy below... Adam Lindsay wrote: Kent Watsen wrote: What are you *most* interested in for this server? Reliability? Capacity? High Performance? Reading or writing? Large contiguous reads or small seeks? One thing that I did that got a good feedback from this list was

Re: [zfs-discuss] hardware sizing for a zfs-based system?

2007-09-14 Thread Tim Cook
Won't come cheap, but this mobo comes with 6x pci-x slots... should get the job done :) http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon1333/5000P/X7DBE-X.cfm This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list

Re: [zfs-discuss] hardware sizing for a zfs-based system?

2007-09-14 Thread Will Snow
Go look at intel - they have a pretty decent mb with 6 sata ports Tim Cook wrote: Won't come cheap, but this mobo comes with 6x pci-x slots... should get the job done :) http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon1333/5000P/X7DBE-X.cfm This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] hardware sizing for a zfs-based system?

2007-09-14 Thread Ian Collins
Kent Watsen wrote: Getting there - can anybody clue me into how much CPU/Mem ZFS needs? I have an old 1.2Ghz with 1Gb of mem laying around - would it be sufficient? It'll use as much memory as you can spare and it has a strong preference for 64 bit systems. Considering how much you

Re: [zfs-discuss] hardware sizing for a zfs-based system?

2007-09-14 Thread Rob Windsor
Tim Cook wrote: Won't come cheap, but this mobo comes with 6x pci-x slots... should get the job done :) http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon1333/5000P/X7DBE-X.cfm Yes, but where do you buy SuperMicro toys? SuperMicro doesn't sell online, anything neat that I've found is not

[zfs-discuss] hardware sizing for a zfs-based system?

2007-09-13 Thread Kent Watsen
Hi all, I'm putting together a OpenSolaris ZFS-based system and need help picking hardware. I'm thinking about using this 26-disk case: [FYI: 2-disk RAID1 for the OS 4*(4+2) RAIDZ2 for SAN] http://rackmountpro.com/productpage.php?prodid=2418 Regarding the mobo, cpus, and memory - I

Re: [zfs-discuss] hardware sizing for a zfs-based system?

2007-09-13 Thread Jonathan Loran
I will only comment on the chassis, as this is made by AIC (short for American Industrial Computer), and I have three of these in service at my work. These chassis are quite well made, but I have experienced the following two problems: 1) The rails really are not up to the task of supporting