VACList-Digest Tuesday, August 7, 2001 Issue 24
Today's Topics:
1. Re: Water heater replacement
2. Re: Furnace Recall
3. '67 Caravel Parting Out
4. Re: Water heater replacement
5. Re: [A/S] I-70
6. Re: Furnace Recall
7. C O Fumes
8. Free appliances
9. Re: '67 Caravel Parting Out
10. Ebay item 1173253879 "Factory service (Shop) Manual
11. Re: [A/S] I-70
12. Re: Jalousie windows
13. Re: [A/S] I-70
14. Olympic rivet shaver tool
15. 67 Globe Trotter
16. Re: 1968 Manual Pg 109
17. List Status
18. Re: Water heater replacement
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Message Number: 1
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 20:34:29 -0400
From: Garnett Horner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Water heater replacement
> Has anyone tried replacing their water heater with a European style
>"on demand" tankless water heater like Aquastar made by Bosch/Controlled
>Energy Corp?
John,
I replaced the original Bowen hot water heater with an on-demand Precision
Temp hot water heater. It works great. I'm not familiar with the ones
that you mention.
The Precision Temp comes with either a flush mount or surface mount cover.
For my installation the flush mount cover was too large so I got the
surface mount cover. The opening for the Precision Temp is smaller than
that for the Bowen so I got a piece of 2024-T3 Alclad to cover the opening
where the Bowen had been. Next, I did the cut out for the Precision Temp
in the 2024-T3 piece. The plumbing connections were straight forward. The
only trick during the installation is finding and using a "crow's foot"
socket to tighten the flare fitting inside the unit for the gas connection.
Also, the lines from the LP tank need to be at least 3/8" or 1/2". Tom
Howarth also has the same setup and while at Precision Temp to have them
look at a problem, the service tech pointed out that the rubber line from
the regulator to the copper under belly line was only 1/4". I checked mine
and it was 1/4" also which I have replaced with 3/8". I am quite satisfied
with the Precision Temp.
Garnett
60 Caravanner
They have a small model (Model 36b) used for RVs, cabins that
>runs on LP that retails between $360 and $441. There is more info on these
>w/h at their website <A HREF="http://www.cechot.com/";>Controlled Energy
>Corp. - Common Sense Heat & Hot Water Technology</A> cechot.com and
>elsewhere on the net. I've got an old electric replacement w/h that is
>unreliable and I'm ready to replace.
>
>John Woodburn
>Pasadena, CA
>1958 A/S Flying Cloud, 22ft
>#11942
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Message Number: 2
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 18:54:21 -0600
From: "pryner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Furnace Recall
Sorry,
I don't have any information left on the recall. I pitched the unit and
never had a copy of the actual recall. Based on the other replies, CO2
seems to be the culprit. Replacing a newer type and adding a CO2 monitor
seems to be the easiest solution. The new ones fit easily in the old
openings, but I had to replace the entire outer door with a piece of
aluminum and cut holes for the intake/exhaust vents. Works like a dream and
you can also easily add flexible 4" hoses to spread the heat throughout the
trailer. Watch the clearance on the hoses - some are 0" clearance and some
need a couple of inches.
Pete
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of RJ &
Krista
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 7:31 PM
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Subject: [VAC] Re: Furnace Recall
Pete,
I've heard bits and pieces about this before. What make/model was
affected & do you remember what the problem was?
RJ
pryner wrote:
> I have a 1960 22' Safari. I picked it up about 9 years ago in New York
for
> about $850, but it was closer to a basket case. One bit of advice I offer
> is that the original furnace had a recall on it many years ago and should
> not be used. Mine didn't work and I removed it to have someone look at
it.
> When we queried about parts availability we were told about the recall.
The
> most costly appliance is the refrigerator.
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Message Number: 3
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 19:35:40 -0600
From: Charlie/Betty Burke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: '67 Caravel Parting Out
OK, folks.
Here's the deal. A customer has brought a 1967 Caravel to the dealership
to gut out. The only interior parts remaining will be the shell and the
overhead cabinets. This coach as it stands is pretty complete. The front
endliner, cabinets and original brushed aluminum reading lights go. The
front dinette with angled table, benches, go. The roadside couch, goes.
The galley counter with refer, stove, go. The bathroom et. al. goes. The
bathroom includes road and curbside closets, a medicine cabinet, and a
built in to the curbside wall light fixture, shower fixtures. And now
that I think about it I forgot to look at the toilet, but I think it's
original. The square ceiling/galley under cabinet lights, two complete,
one without lens, go.
If anyone is interested let me know off list.
Charlie
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Message Number: 4
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 21:26:37 -0400
From: "Jim Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Water heater replacement
John, I looked at the Aquastar model 36 but was scared off by the venting
requirements described in the installation instructions. It requires a
minimum of a 4" vent that's a minimum of 6 feet long (if there are no bends)
and that terminates at least 2 feet above any obstruction in any direction.
That sounded to me that it would require a chimney sticking up above the top
of the Airstream at least 2 feet.
The Italian made on demand brand is not recommended for installation in a RV
according to the manufacturer. I liked the Precision Temp brand but the $700
price for my occasional use would be hard for me to justify.
If you get one of the Bosch made units, let us know hoe it works out.
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 17:07
Subject: [VAC] Water heater replacement
> Hi folks:
> Has anyone tried replacing their water heater with a European
style
> "on demand" tankless water heater like Aquastar made by Bosch/Controlled
> Energy Corp? They have a small model (Model 36b) used for RVs, cabins
that
> runs on LP that retails between $360 and $441. There is more info on
these
> w/h at their website <A HREF="http://www.cechot.com/";>Controlled Energy
> Corp. - Common Sense Heat & Hot Water Technology</A> cechot.com and
> elsewhere on the net. I've got an old electric replacement w/h that is
> unreliable and I'm ready to replace.
>
> John Woodburn
> Pasadena, CA
> 1958 A/S Flying Cloud, 22ft
> #11942
>
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Message Number: 5
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 19:43:07 -0600
From: Charlie/Betty Burke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [A/S] I-70
The 287 cutoff is a well regarded alternative to the I-80/I-25 "main route".
Fewer grades, less traffic, better road, hmmmmm. Oh, yeah the south end of
the route at Ft Collins is a little chewy getting back to I-25. Choice, not
really, 287 is the only way to go.
Charlie
Tuna wrote:
> I'm heading out to Estes Park from Reno in a day or two, with an untested
> rig... decided to take I-80 to Laramie and head down to Colorado from
> there... Never done that route before - any surprises?
>
> Tuna
> '48 Trailwind
> WBCCI#8862/VAC
> Reno, NV
>
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Message Number: 6
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 19:51:37 -0600
From: Charlie/Betty Burke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Furnace Recall
Chris Bryant wrote:
> At 08:31 AM 8/6/01 -0400, Jim Greene wrote:
> >Richard, what was the "fix" recommended by Suburban and/or Airstream? Sounds
> >like installing a CO monitor at the least or replacing the furnace with one
> >reengineered around the problem.
> >
> >Jim Greene
> >' 68 Tradewind & Suburban NT-22
>
> For that particular recall, the fix was simply to replace a rubber
> hose that runs between the intake blower and the combustion chamber- the
> original could split, and the replacement is much heavier (I *think* that
> the official replacement has a red stripe on it).
>
> ________
>
> Chris Bryant
>
Those recall kits are no longer available as the furnace is considered beyond it's
service life. Suburban gives their furnace a finite service life estimate and past
that point they will not sell parts for them. Only parts common to newer models
would be available to repair an older unit. Mid 70's and earlier model Suburban's
are typically not supported. While the decision may not seem fair to all it is a
safely driven position. Suburban is the oldest manufacturer of RV furnaces in
business.
Charlie
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Message Number: 7
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 21:56:22 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: C O Fumes
My answere to the provlem of CO fumes is reasonably simple I removed all gas
appliances and replaced them with electric.(the late Bill Scott And I talked
about this) The desion was promped when the less than 5 year gass fridge died
and filled the place with fumes.
I promply removes the fridge, the Majic Sheef range, the water heater. I
replaced the fridge with a under the counter fridge the space where the stove
was now holds a small deep freezer the stove has been replaced with a 2
burner hotplate (dual fule elect. & alchol) and a built in microwave. the
water heater with a 2.5 gal under the sink heater.
To run all of this when we are on the road I am mounting a 3300watt diesel
generator on the toungh. this will take care of the electral needs when we
are on the road in tests it ran the AC and both burners of the hotplate with
no provlems.
with this setup I will not have to smell gas eavery time i go into the
trailer heat will be supplied with the heat strip on the Ac. the generator is
supposed to run 14 hours on the 4.5 gal tank.
I am now ingaged in building a sound proof box to house the generatou in the
exaust will be run to the rear of the trailer.
Diesel was chosen because that I tow with a Dodge Cummings diesel if need be
I can syphon fule and only have to worry about one fule source.
I have been critised by some about my choice but when in a camp ground I will
be using their power to run the thing but on the road I can have the
comforts I desire If I get sleeply driving I can pull into a roadside rest
and take a napp in AC comfort( these alum.cans at the best are poorly
insulated and get very hot.
These modifications cost under $3500.some day i think I will figure how much
I have in this rig. I think the figure will exceed $10k
Jim Smith
1965 Tradewind(The Silver Abaltross)
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Message Number: 8
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 20:13:33 -0600
From: "pryner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Free appliances
I'm rebuilding a '68 28' Ambassador and am replacing all of the appliances.
Free for the price of shipping, or stop by and pick 'em up are a 3 burner
stovetop. This is a rectangular stovetop original to the trailer. Looks
and works very well. Original stove. Not great shape as some of the metal
pieces on the front have some rust/discoloration. Couldn't get the pilot to
light so I don't know the condition. Dometic MB52C refrigerator. The
electric portion works well, had frost in the freezer in less than a half
hour. Didn't check the gas portion. Door is shot and will need replacing.
Attempted a repair by filling the back side of the plastic liner with
expanding foam. Good idea, but expanded too large to shut the door
properly. All parts are in Salt Lake City. I know they aren't much to
offer but the price is right for any purist looking for original parts.
Please contact me directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you're interested.
Pete
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Message Number: 9
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 23:28:16 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: '67 Caravel Parting Out
Any chance that the frig would fit my 64 GT?
Just Plain Polly
1964 Globe Trotter
Colorado
WBCCI 7113
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Message Number: 10
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 21:52:04 -0600
From: Charlie/Betty Burke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Ebay item 1173253879 "Factory service (Shop) Manual
Sorry I didn't see this sooner.
If any one has bid on this item believing the writeup, it is not what
the seller says it is.
There is no manual that covers 1969 to 1994. Much less to the level the
seller claims. The second illustration clearly shows it is for 1977
only. And while it does cover that year in great depth, it looses it's
accuracy very quickly for different years.
If you happen to be the successful bidder on this be very careful. You
will not get what the seller claims
Charlie
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Message Number: 11
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 21:55:45 -0600
From: jere potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [A/S] I-70
Living as I do IN Fort Collins, I will offer my suggestion to bypass a lot of
Ft Collins Traffic, using 287, from Laramie.
It is not nesc. to go all the way east to get on I-25 to go south to Love land,
then west through Loveland. . 287 is the main street north-south through both
towns, and will slow you down unless you do want to see a nice "old town"
area. As 287 approaches Ft Collins, it turns into almost a 4 lane highway, to
bypass Laporte, then it comes to a "T" at a light, to join up with the old 287.
If you take a left there, and go to the next light, take a right onto Taft Hill
Road. If you miss that one next right is Sheilds Ave. These two streets
parallel the 287 after it curves south, and are far less congested. They go all
the way south past Ft Collins to Loveland, and will intersect with US 34, which
is the road you turn right on (west) towards the mtns. 34 goes all the way up
to estes park.
I will be coming up to Estes on Friday, after I get the new Globetrotter ready
& able . Happy & Safe Travels!
Jere Potter Call me if you get lost-- 970-224-5001
Charlie/Betty Burke wrote:
> The 287 cutoff is a well regarded alternative to the I-80/I-25 "main route".
> Fewer grades, less traffic, better road, hmmmmm. Oh, yeah the south end of
> the route at Ft Collins is a little chewy getting back to I-25. Choice, not
> really, 287 is the only way to go.
>
> Charlie
>
> Tuna wrote:
>
> > I'm heading out to Estes Park from Reno in a day or two, with an untested
> > rig... decided to take I-80 to Laramie and head down to Colorado from
> > there... Never done that route before - any surprises?
> >
> > Tuna
> > '48 Trailwind
> > WBCCI#8862/VAC
> > Reno, NV
> >
>
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Message Number: 12
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 22:14:18 -0600
From: jere potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Jalousie windows
> susan- I went to the place today, Fort Collins Glass & Paint, got a sample
> of what we're talking about- contact me off-list, I can send it to you.
> > Some time ago Jere Potter mentioned finding the slip-in side seals
> > at a glass shop. Jere, if you're still out there,
> > could you please tell me the name of the glass shop where
> > you found yours? I haven't been able to find them yet.
> > The glass shop I was in this morning had never seen anything
> > like it.
> >
> >
> > Susan Altstatt
> >
> >
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Message Number: 13
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 22:29:33 -0700
From: Tuna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [A/S] I-70
Thanks to all who've come back with feedback on this proposed route - this
list is the best.
Tuna
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Message Number: 14
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 23:29:42 -0700
From: "Tim Shephard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Olympic rivet shaver tool
Does the VAC have a rivet shaver for loan or rental?
If not, does anyone on the list have one for loan or rental?
Thanks
-Tim
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Message Number: 15
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 05:12:50 -0400
From: "DMH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: 67 Globe Trotter
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Message Number: 16
Date: 07 Aug 01 13:39:31 -0700
From: RJ Dial <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 1968 Manual Pg 109
Jim Greene noted earlier that he had the infamous "Page 109" from the 1968 Owners
Manual that illustrated all the models vital statistics, from Ball Hitch Size to
dimensions and weights. Seems most manuals have that page missing for whatever reason.
A copy of his can be seen at:
http://members.home.net/dial/1968_Pg109.jpg
RJ
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Message Number: 17
Date: 07 Aug 01 14:20:38 -0700
From: RJ Dial <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: List Status
Uggh! The switch was made to the new VAC server, and airstream.net mail did not make
the change smoothly - so everything airstream.net related is defunct till the
connections get re-established.
The airstream.org addresses are working fine.
Will be working on it until fixed and will keep you posted. I may be sending test
messages now and then - no need to reply to them.
Later,
RJ
VAC Webmaster
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Message Number: 18
Date: 07 Aug 01 15:10:54 -0700
From: RJ Dial <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Water heater replacement
Reply to: RE: [VAC] Water heater replacement
Our '57 Flying Cloud is sans Gas Hot Water, as it too only had that big 120v electric
heater under the sink at one time. Since there aren't in holes in the side on these
older trailers for conventional Suburbans/Bowen/Atwood heaters, the tankless type werA
popular Airstream option was to add the Valiant tankless heater vertically on the
shower wall, and duct the combustion gases through the roof in one of those quaint
airstream roof vent caps. The unit has hot water valves and outlet for the shower and
a
The Valiant is nowadays made by Paloma (http://gaswaterheaters.com), and you will see
many in the late '50s trailers. There are a couple of examples in the archives on my
website. We have a German made Valiant that will be going into the Flying Cloud that
I haven't seen the box type units in place in these older trailers, but I have as
replacements for the more modern units. Biggest obstacle seems to be the exhausting
of the gases as many units require vertical draw. The systems I've seen required a
110v/
RJ
'57 Flying Cloud
(Still working on the e-mail problem)
WWOODBURNWOODY wrote:
>Hi folks:
> Has anyone tried replacing their water heater with a European style >"on
>demand" tankless water heater like Aquastar made by Bosch/Controlled >Energy Corp?
>They have a small model (Model 36b) used for RVs, cabins that >runs on LP that
>retails be>John Woodburn
>Pasadena, CA
>1958 A/S Flying Cloud, 22ft
>#11942 >
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