Your description is pretty far from whats in the proposal right now. The proposal is not clear at all, so I would say update it and resubmit if for a new discussion.
On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Daniel Kinzler <daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.de> wrote: > Am 15.05.2015 um 01:11 schrieb John Erling Blad: >> How do we go from a spelled form of a lexeme at Wiktionary and to an >> identifier on Wikidata? > > What do you mean by "go to"? And what do you mean by "identifier on Wikidata" > - > Items, Lexemes, Senses, or Forms? > > Generally, Wiktionary currently combines words with the same rendering from > different languages on a single page. So a single Wiktionary page would > correspond to several Lexeme entries on Wikidata, since Lexemes on wikidata > would be split per language. > > I suppose a Lexeme-Entry could be linked back to the corresponding pages on > the > various Wiktionaries, but I don't really see the value of that, and sitelinks > are currently not planned for Lexeme entries. It probably makes more sense for > the Wiktionary pages to explicitly reference the Wikidata-Lexeme that > corresponds to each language-section on the page. > >> And how do we go from one Sense to another >> synonym Sense? Do we use statements? But then only the L-identifiers >> can be used, so we will link them at the Lexeme level.. > > Why can only L-Identifiers be used? Senses (and Forms) are entities and have > identifiers. They wouldn't have a wiki-page of their own, but that's not a > problem. The intention is that it's possible for one Sense to have a statement > referring directly to another Sense (of the same or a different Lexeme). > >> Wiktionary is organized around homonyms while Wikipedia is organized >> around synonyms, especially across languages, and I think this >> difference creates some of the problems. > > The Lexeme-Part of Wikidata (L-ids) would be separate from the Concept-part of > Wikidata (Q-ids). The Lexeme part is organized around homonyms (more > precisely, > homographs in a single language). Each Lexeme can have several "Senses" > modeled > as "sub-entities", meaning that each Sense has its own set of Statements. Each > Sense can be linked to Senses of other Lexemes (explicit synonyms or > translations) and to Q-id concepts (implicit synonyms or translations) using > Statements. > > > -- > Daniel Kinzler > Senior Software Developer > > Wikimedia Deutschland > Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l _______________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
