Jacob, re-reading, all the work you have done is quite impressive, and I'd like to find a way to link something on p9f.org to it. Further, I will now go try it myself. But, wow, that's very nice stuff :-)
Looking at all the work people have done, my feeling is that we're missing "the last meter", in the sense that we're very close, but people are still having trouble, even very capable people. I don't want to see things like this: " I cannot connect using the plan9port drawterm, that gives me '/net/localhost' doesn't exist. I tried drawterm -a localhost!1337 -c localhost!1337 -u glenda. There is a 9front drawterm, but I cannot compile it. It cannot find the wlroots headers, No package 'wlr-protocols' found, no idea what to install. The prebuilt binaries are only for Windows... again, I am stuck. 1:31 I'm putting it aside again, for "some other day", it's just a maze full of dead ends. " I want people to have an easy path in, after which they can learn about the cool stuff. While I understand that rio is *the* window manager, for now, every time I demo'd Plan 9 in google/LANL/Sandia, I came to dread the point at which I swept out that first rio window, and people immediately ratholed into how it looked. They did not care about the cool bits, they focused on its lack of flair. The talks generally ended at that point; none of the people I was presenting to were going to give that interface a second chance. It would be easier with lola. That interface will look dated, but still relevant; and its ability to do tabs, and the window decorations, are something people are always asking for. I have this picture in my head of a p9f.org web page, showing a desktop with lola, and a "try it in your web browser" button, and a "try it on qemu" button, and a "boot it on your laptop" button. On Mon, Jun 2, 2025 at 2:15 PM sirjofri via 9fans <[email protected]> wrote: > > 02.06.2025 22:50:17 Paul Lalonde <[email protected]>: > > > Stanley writes: > > > > but how do we transmit deep knowledge of strange computing concepts that > > experience teaches are rarely happily received (new users always know > > better, and/or demand their favorite tools) without inducing the candidate > > to read? > > > > I posit that it is easier for many users to engage with the documentation, > > position papers, and other materials from a position in which they have a > > working system in front of them on which to try out the concepts that are > > being described in the papers. > > Read a bit, install a system, try a bit, read a bit more, try a bit more, > > dig into some code, which magically is there and findable with the 'src' > > command, which they just read about. > > That's what I roughly had planned with my "serious guide to plan 9". Turns > out I'm not a writer, even though I enjoy it. > > Here's the rough outline I wrote many months ago. If I go back to that, I > should revise that. > https://shithub.us/sirjofri/sergui/64335a8573bd09fd01220bd1386d1754f4c14ed3/text/f.html > > sirjofri ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tbe8e5fda6ae62f5c-M632387559dd6bfbcd64cc2df Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
