On 6/2/25 18:02, Ron Minnich wrote: > Jacob, re-reading, all the work you have done is quite impressive, and > I'd like to find a way to link something on p9f.org to it. Further, I > will now go try it myself. But, wow, that's very nice stuff :-) > > Looking at all the work people have done, my feeling is that we're > missing "the last meter", in the sense that we're very close, but > people are still having trouble, even very capable people. > > I don't want to see things like this: > " > I cannot connect using the plan9port drawterm, that gives me > '/net/localhost' doesn't exist. > I tried drawterm -a localhost!1337 -c localhost!1337 -u glenda. > There is a 9front drawterm, but I cannot compile it. It cannot find > the wlroots headers, No package 'wlr-protocols' found, no idea what to > install.
Wayland sucks, we so need compositor specific protocol extensions to do mouse warping. Maybe there's a better way of doing this but I haven't seen it. Some systems package wlr-protocols but its not super common (nixos does, arch has it in the AUR, the rest idk) however it's also fairly to find online if you search for exactly that. Perhaps a note in the README regarding this would help, this has happened a couple times before. Thank you for this detail. Probably best to document what we need in terms of systems packages for both x11 and wayland variants. > The prebuilt binaries are only for Windows... again, I am stuck. We have prebuilt images for both windows and mac on the nightly site: https://iso.only9fans.com/ I wasn't aware that linux users were interested in prebuilt binaries. Maybe we can make appimages. That requires some conversation and thought. > 1:31 > I'm putting it aside again, for "some other day", it's just a maze > full of dead ends. > " > > I want people to have an easy path in, after which they can learn > about the cool stuff. > > While I understand that rio is *the* window manager, for now, every > time I demo'd Plan 9 in google/LANL/Sandia, I came to dread the point > at which I swept out that first rio window, and people immediately > ratholed into how it looked. They did not care about the cool bits, > they focused on its lack of flair. The talks generally ended at that > point; none of the people I was presenting to were going to give that > interface a second chance. It would be easier with lola. That > interface will look dated, but still relevant; and its ability to do > tabs, and the window decorations, are something people are always > asking for. > > I have this picture in my head of a p9f.org web page, showing a > desktop with lola, and a "try it in your web browser" button, and a > "try it on qemu" button, and a "boot it on your laptop" button. Sure we can do just that. I've used v86 before for doing this (as sirjofri also mentioned in a reply), and got stuff working. For v86 you're going to want to have not just an iso but also a memory snapshot so it boots much quicker, instead of going through the whole boot process if you're goal is just "check it out now" That's how the 9front "profile" on the main v86 site works. ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tbe8e5fda6ae62f5c-M0d1de303203d453517cce7ef Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
