by the way, this discussion has been helpful, at least to me, in focusing thoughts on what we might do.
On Mon, Jun 2, 2025 at 4:02 PM Ron Minnich <[email protected]> wrote: > > Jacob, re-reading, all the work you have done is quite impressive, and > I'd like to find a way to link something on p9f.org to it. Further, I > will now go try it myself. But, wow, that's very nice stuff :-) > > Looking at all the work people have done, my feeling is that we're > missing "the last meter", in the sense that we're very close, but > people are still having trouble, even very capable people. > > I don't want to see things like this: > " > I cannot connect using the plan9port drawterm, that gives me > '/net/localhost' doesn't exist. > I tried drawterm -a localhost!1337 -c localhost!1337 -u glenda. > There is a 9front drawterm, but I cannot compile it. It cannot find > the wlroots headers, No package 'wlr-protocols' found, no idea what to > install. > The prebuilt binaries are only for Windows... again, I am stuck. > 1:31 > I'm putting it aside again, for "some other day", it's just a maze > full of dead ends. > " > > I want people to have an easy path in, after which they can learn > about the cool stuff. > > While I understand that rio is *the* window manager, for now, every > time I demo'd Plan 9 in google/LANL/Sandia, I came to dread the point > at which I swept out that first rio window, and people immediately > ratholed into how it looked. They did not care about the cool bits, > they focused on its lack of flair. The talks generally ended at that > point; none of the people I was presenting to were going to give that > interface a second chance. It would be easier with lola. That > interface will look dated, but still relevant; and its ability to do > tabs, and the window decorations, are something people are always > asking for. > > I have this picture in my head of a p9f.org web page, showing a > desktop with lola, and a "try it in your web browser" button, and a > "try it on qemu" button, and a "boot it on your laptop" button. > > On Mon, Jun 2, 2025 at 2:15 PM sirjofri via 9fans <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > 02.06.2025 22:50:17 Paul Lalonde <[email protected]>: > > > > > Stanley writes: > > > > > > but how do we transmit deep knowledge of strange computing concepts that > > > experience teaches are rarely happily received (new users always know > > > better, and/or demand their favorite tools) without inducing the > > > candidate to read? > > > > > > I posit that it is easier for many users to engage with the > > > documentation, position papers, and other materials from a position in > > > which they have a working system in front of them on which to try out the > > > concepts that are being described in the papers. > > > Read a bit, install a system, try a bit, read a bit more, try a bit more, > > > dig into some code, which magically is there and findable with the 'src' > > > command, which they just read about. > > > > That's what I roughly had planned with my "serious guide to plan 9". Turns > > out I'm not a writer, even though I enjoy it. > > > > Here's the rough outline I wrote many months ago. If I go back to that, I > > should revise that. > > https://shithub.us/sirjofri/sergui/64335a8573bd09fd01220bd1386d1754f4c14ed3/text/f.html > > > > sirjofri ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tbe8e5fda6ae62f5c-Mde03287e8129cd82f0ded167 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
