On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 5:53 PM, Rich Schwerdtfeger <richsch...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Alex,
>
> That is indeed what ARIA has as the HTML AAM points to that mapping in
> ARIA Core: http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.
> html#role-map-figure
>
> and the HTML AAM points to it. So, for the figure role we are all set.
>
> Is that currently implemented in Firefox when you an element with
> role=“figure”? … ROLE_SYSTEM_GROUPING and xml-roles:figure object attrib
>

It's not yet implemented in Firefox. Btw, do you know if other browsers
have supported it?


>
> If you do already, I will work with Windows ATVs to start supporting it on
> Windows.
>

HTML:figure is accessible in Firefox. ARIA role='figure' should have
identical mapping. If screen readers support HTML:figure, then they don't
have to make any extra effort to support ARIA role='figure'.



> Please map that for for SVG elements when it is applied as well. Then we
> can discuss their participating in a list of figures in ATVs as part of the
> AT UIs.
>
> Rich
>
>
>
> Rich Schwerdtfeger
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 15, 2016, at 1:00 PM, Alexander Surkov <asur...@mozilla.com> wrote:
>
> Thank you, Marcos.
>
> I'm getting lost in the discussion as it goes in two separate
> threads/groups (IAccessible2 one and SVG groups).
>
> I buy Doug's argument [1] that non browser SVG tools may not implement
> HTML, but still they are keen to support ARIA to make their products
> accessible. This argument can be a justification for ARIA figure role
> I think.
>
> Having said that, I'm adherent to the idea of re-using HTML elements
> in SVG documents. The author should be able to use standard HTML and
> SVG blocks to make the content accessible. <foreingObject> perhaps is
> not the most convenient structure to embed HTML into SVG, but it
> works, which makes ARIA role='figure' less valuable in the browser's
> word.
>
> I don't think that ARIA role='figure', implemented in the browsers,
> may harm anyone, I'd be interesting though to hear from other browsers
> on this topic.
>
> Rich, I think ARIA role='figure' should have same IAccessible2 mapping
> as HTML figure element has, which is ROLE_SYSTEM_GROUPING and
> xml-roles:figure object attribute.
>
> Thank you.
> Alexander.
>
> [1] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2016Sep/0053.html
>
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 1:19 AM, Marcos Caceres <mcace...@mozilla.com>
> wrote:
>
> On September 15, 2016 at 2:10:09 PM, Rich Schwerdtfeger
> (richsch...@gmail.com) wrote:
>
> Alex, both Doug and Anna have expressed to you the opinion of the SVG
> working group to not
> have those elements in SVG. At this point the discussion on adding or
> using them is not
> productive.
>
>
> With all due respect, if Mozilla is supposed to implement this, we
> need our queries addressed properly.
>
> Mozilla's position is that developers should be able to use existing
> HTML element/attributes in SVG, where they are
> semantically/structurally useful. It clearly doesn't make sense to
> redefine things that are in HTML in some new SVG version.
>
> I would kindly ask that Alex's requests for clarification are addressed.
>
> Kind regards,
> Marcos
>
>
>
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