On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 5:53 PM, Rich Schwerdtfeger <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Alex, > > That is indeed what ARIA has as the HTML AAM points to that mapping in > ARIA Core: http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam. > html#role-map-figure > > and the HTML AAM points to it. So, for the figure role we are all set. > > Is that currently implemented in Firefox when you an element with > role=“figure”? … ROLE_SYSTEM_GROUPING and xml-roles:figure object attrib > It's not yet implemented in Firefox. Btw, do you know if other browsers have supported it? > > If you do already, I will work with Windows ATVs to start supporting it on > Windows. > HTML:figure is accessible in Firefox. ARIA role='figure' should have identical mapping. If screen readers support HTML:figure, then they don't have to make any extra effort to support ARIA role='figure'. > Please map that for for SVG elements when it is applied as well. Then we > can discuss their participating in a list of figures in ATVs as part of the > AT UIs. > > Rich > > > > Rich Schwerdtfeger > > > > > On Sep 15, 2016, at 1:00 PM, Alexander Surkov <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thank you, Marcos. > > I'm getting lost in the discussion as it goes in two separate > threads/groups (IAccessible2 one and SVG groups). > > I buy Doug's argument [1] that non browser SVG tools may not implement > HTML, but still they are keen to support ARIA to make their products > accessible. This argument can be a justification for ARIA figure role > I think. > > Having said that, I'm adherent to the idea of re-using HTML elements > in SVG documents. The author should be able to use standard HTML and > SVG blocks to make the content accessible. <foreingObject> perhaps is > not the most convenient structure to embed HTML into SVG, but it > works, which makes ARIA role='figure' less valuable in the browser's > word. > > I don't think that ARIA role='figure', implemented in the browsers, > may harm anyone, I'd be interesting though to hear from other browsers > on this topic. > > Rich, I think ARIA role='figure' should have same IAccessible2 mapping > as HTML figure element has, which is ROLE_SYSTEM_GROUPING and > xml-roles:figure object attribute. > > Thank you. > Alexander. > > [1] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2016Sep/0053.html > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 1:19 AM, Marcos Caceres <[email protected]> > wrote: > > On September 15, 2016 at 2:10:09 PM, Rich Schwerdtfeger > ([email protected]) wrote: > > Alex, both Doug and Anna have expressed to you the opinion of the SVG > working group to not > have those elements in SVG. At this point the discussion on adding or > using them is not > productive. > > > With all due respect, if Mozilla is supposed to implement this, we > need our queries addressed properly. > > Mozilla's position is that developers should be able to use existing > HTML element/attributes in SVG, where they are > semantically/structurally useful. It clearly doesn't make sense to > redefine things that are in HTML in some new SVG version. > > I would kindly ask that Alex's requests for clarification are addressed. > > Kind regards, > Marcos > > > > _______________________________________________ > Accessibility-ia2 mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/accessibility-ia2 > >
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