Right sir, it is my experience in india I don't know about other countries, each and every benifit or facility we are getting, there is at least one order or intervention of court or arbitration exist behind it. Only issuance of circular don't do all.

On 12/10/2023 5:21 PM, Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo) wrote:
It's wonderful that you had good results with your friend. Each small win is a 
big win for the whole blind community. We must celebrate each others' success 
by feeling glad in our hearts for each other's success against discrimination. 
The legal people among us will have better luck if we keep one heart as a blind 
community, because collective consciousness helps collective goals, even on a 
subtle level.

God be with us all.


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On 
Behalf Of BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA
Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2023 6:07 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AI] Singnature required for banking facilities?

you are right sir, but what to do, without any document, if you will approach 
to the higher authority, they will try to deny, that there is no such 
application received. I had encountered the same while helping out one of my 
completely blind friend. later I told hhim to give a loan application with the 
quotation and fill all the details to purchase car and let the bank deny. but, 
finally they have sanctioned and disbursed the loan.


On 12/9/2023 11:33 AM, Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo) wrote:
Yes that's excellent advice I did not realize is possible here - apply 
electronically and have them reject it that way on record. Brilliant. Still, 
thereafter you need to have somewhere to take that evidence to who can hold 
them accountable anyway, and without you giving an arm and a leg to accomplish.

I've learnt the hard way that while I might get excited about collecting 
evidence, often the channels we have don't really care about justice. That 
happened when I lost my job at First National Bank in South Africa. They first 
appeared to innocently rename my role as back-office assistant by first 
narrowing it down to switchboard operator, then revoking that as a bank 
function which gives way to IVR systems.
I recorded my exit interview which proved they were only box-ticking past 
accessibility requirements. Still, I could not fight because they had money and 
power and I had none.

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of BHAWANI SHANKAR
VERMA
Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2023 10:33 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AI] Singnature required for banking facilities?

Apply for banking facility you want on their prescribed format, and let them 
deny. you can ask them to reject your application on writing.


On 12/9/2023 9:43 AM, Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo) wrote:
You know these front-office staff will never comply and give a written letter 
stating such. They are not under obligation to provide such a letter and so 
they won't in the name of having the next client to see. It's not a useful 
dynamic. Better to get the name of the person and officials here might be able 
to take it on. Good luck.


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of BHAWANI SHANKAR
VERMA
Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2023 7:16 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AI] Singnature required for banking facilities?

demand a written reply for denial of banking services on the basis of thumb 
impression.


On 12/8/2023 11:49 PM, Vaibhav Bhandari wrote:
Good Evening Everyone,
Just a few months ago, I had gone to an SBI branch to try to open my
account and they told me that thumb print would not be accepted for
opening the bank account and availing facilities like debit card,
internet banking, checkbook, etc., I would need to know how to sign
or else it would be clasified under some illiteracy clause. It's
necessary to understand here that I haven't any experience in
signing and hadn't required doing so until now. The helper that was
explaining me all this also said that they haven't even allowed
their visually impared employees to use internet banking because they couldn't 
sign.
So after returning, I tried doing some research, where in I found
that there is a consensus among the various sites that such
facilities cannot be denied to people with visual imparement just
because they cannot sign but I cannot find this written somewhere in
the banking rules. So, if someone could clarify this for me, it'd be
really helpful.

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