Using the model is fine with me, I use the model any
time I can, if not,  always,My reason for using the
model is not to copy, but to 'Design
 something creatively new, with new relations of form
, even if it means altering it's universal nature, yet
maintaining it's integrity (it's essence). 
That, is necessary for the new design, which to me,
it's the only valve I can offer to myself as an
artist. 

Making models after models for models sake, to me is a
waste of time
 if one does not try to use it to create something
other than another model, a 'design 'with  meaning.
You forced me to be honest in return, 

 
 mando













--- Chris Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Mando wrote:
> 
> "I think that working from one's soul will attain
> better Aesthetic results
> than always making copies of models and expecting
> life to emerge.  That's like
> playing 'mary had a little lamb' over and over and
> expect the classics to
> emerge."
> 
> while William wrote:
> 
> "Every artist works with a model in mind, however
> vague
> or eclectic.  The artist is always working for and
> against some model of what art can be"
> 
> 
> To put Mando's remark in context - it came shortly
> after he was looking at
> internet pictures of my own sculptures, most of
> which (but not all) were begun
> while studying a model --- the kind that takes her
> clothes off and stands
> still in the middle of a drafty studio.  So ... I
> think that is the kind of
> model to which he was referring.
> 
> Possibly Mando was just deploring the aesthetic
> results of my own humble
> efforts -- but I think he was also suggesting that
> working from models (the
> kind mentioned above) is only appropriate as an
> exercise for  students since
> "one needs a good foundation before, in any creative
> endeavor" -- which then
> led him to his grim conclusion that
> "I get the feeling that you really don't know as
> much about art as i
> thought."
> 
> And here I would protest -- not that I know a lot
> about art (especially since
> I try to avoid that terrible word) -- but that the
> best aesthetic results can
> only be achieved without the use of models (the kind
> that hold still and get
> studied -- like people on a platform, or flowers on
> a table, or trees and
> hills out in the countryside)
> 
> And I would assert that the use of this kind of
> model is a practice that is
> unique to the Western European cultural tradition --
> is especially appropriate
> to the amateur (but not necessarily inferior)
> practitioner -- and will
> continue to be practiced, mastered, and loved long
> after the quirky trends of
> the 20th C.  have become historical footnotes.
> 
> It's practice is rather problematic (hare
> brained?)in sculpture -- because it
> is so difficult, technical,  time consuming, and
> especially space devouring.
> 
> And yet with the work of Rodin and Count Trubetsky
> to encourage us -- we can
> charge forward!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
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