In a message dated 4/4/10 3:22:55 PM, [email protected] writes:

> Child 'knows' 'red' not as a name we gave to the certain light waves, but
> certain light waves brain senses.
> Boris Shoshensky
> 
I think I garner your underlying thoughts here, Boris, and I don't disagree 
with them. But tolerate me as I say your attempt to articulate the 
thoughts, your notation, is ambiguous. Assuming I've grasped your thinking, 
here is 
how a somewhat trained philosopher might express them:

[Child "knows" red not as a name we gave to the certain light waves, but
certain light waves the brain senses.] 

I immediately grant this is not "perfectly clear" either: One has to be 
familiar with the philosopher's notation, and his distinction between "use" and 
"mention". A classic line to convey that distinction goes like this:

[Boston has 700,000 people, and 'Boston' has six letters.] 

I removed your single quotes from ['red'] because you were using the word, 
not mentioning it. You meant the child "knows" the color-sensation, not the 
three-letter word. If, using some philosophical notation, you wanted to talk 
about the word you'd say:

[The child knows 'red' as the name of the color of the fire engine.] 

In fact the more than just somewhat trained philosopher -- like Van Quine 
-- justifiably adopts even more abstruse notations -- including brackets and 
half-brackets -- because, for example, the double quotes that I put around 
your ['knows'] have several possible uses: They can be used simply to 
indicate a quotation, or they can be used as "scare quotes" -- to cite a word 
with 
ambiguous   or allegedly confused effect. It's intended to convey something 
like, "You said it, not I."

Moreover, it's something of a rule in correct English to put only single 
quotes around a quotation if the quotation is within a quotation:

[When I heard the teacher say, "Samuel Johnson said 'Nothing succeeds like 
excess,' I knew the teacher was wrong. Oscar Wilde said that, not Johnson.]

Your original line was meant to convey how you use the word 'knows'. A 
philosopher might balk at that usage, and alter more than just the notation. He 
might write:

[Child is acquainted with red not as a name we gave to the certain light 
waves, but
certain light waves the brain senses.] 

Or even: [A child is acquainted with red, and understands 'red'.]

I grant this hyper-meticulous approach can get tedious quickly.

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