Indeed. For an installer, it seems to me that construction-type experience is probably more valuable than tech experience.
On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 8:21 AM Jay Weekley <[email protected]> wrote: > Was he in the dilemma of trying to get a tech job without experience but > couldn't experience without a job? I'm as interested in someone that > knows a wood bit from a mortar bit as I am in someone that can perform a > simple router setup. > > Jerry Head wrote: > > Disagree. > > We hired an installer last year who just turned 18. > > He was one of three people (of 9 who answered the ad) who showed up. > > We had a simple test of programming a XX-Link router. > > He failed. > > My network engineer said "Lets try him anyway". > > We did hire him and he has worked out really well. > > So there's that I guess. > > > > > > On 5/31/2019 9:34 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > >> Anyone worth a crap is not out looking for a job these days. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On May 30, 2019, at 10:51 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) > >>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> A couple of thoughts: > >>> > >>> Many of these type of people will be working on something interesting > >>> in their own time. Maybe some probing questions about what they > >>> have done on their own. Depending on what you're looking for, things > >>> like 'have you ever played with an arduino? Raspberry Pi? etc?' > >>> might help. > >>> > >>> Have you thought about what would have attracted you to a job listing? > >>> That might be a good starting point. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:28 AM Adam Moffett <[email protected]> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> When I was young I went exploring. I'd ask my mom if I could go for a > >>>> bike ride. I never really specified where, and just kept ranging > >>>> farther and farther from home. I'd end up in creeks, culvert pipes, > >>>> climbing fences, walking through woods, construction sites, quarries, > >>>> and basically anywhere else I didn't get kicked out of. I got > >>>> there on > >>>> my bike so in terms of parental permission I put it all under the > >>>> category of "going for a bike ride". I only got arrested once, but I > >>>> probably deserved it a few more times. > >>>> > >>>> I also took things apart and used bits of wire and a battery to play > >>>> with the components. At an early job they were impressed that I > >>>> correctly used the word "potentiometer" in a sentence. I also > >>>> plugged a > >>>> DC motor into a 120V AC outle --a valuable lesson there. I also > >>>> melted a > >>>> NiCad battery on the carpet when I left it on the charger too long. > >>>> > >>>> My hobbies included model trains and my RC car. I could tell you the > >>>> difference between a parallel and series circuit when I was 10. I > >>>> tagged > >>>> along with my brother when he went out shooting with his Ruger > >>>> 10/22. I > >>>> slept out in the woods for the fun of it, and sometimes didn't bring > >>>> anything but matches. Played with fireworks, made my own fireworks > >>>> with > >>>> homemade black powder and/or match heads. > >>>> > >>>> My dad made me do drywall, set fence posts, change the belt on a > >>>> lawnmower, and so on. > >>>> > >>>> Every success and every failure contributed to a set of skills that I > >>>> took for granted until I encountered people who didn't have them. > >>>> Things > >>>> like spatial reasoning, basic electricity, use of basic hand tools, > >>>> and > >>>> a general sense of time, distance, and direction. > >>>> > >>>> So the question for AFMUG is how do you find out whether a job > >>>> applicant > >>>> is the curious explorer who wants to know how everything works? > >>>> How do > >>>> I attract that applicant to begin with? I may want specific skills > >>>> too > >>>> like a juggler who can juggle, but I really want people who can figure > >>>> stuff out and won't be deterred by every little bump in the road. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> AF mailing list > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> - Forrest > >>> > >>> -- > >>> AF mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > > > -- > *Jay Weekley* > *Cyber Broadband > * > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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