the other issue we've had with military personnel is that in the military their boss is on a need to know basis (and therefore they don't always need to know stuff) because telling their boss something will sometimes land someone in hot water so it's just best not to tell anyone. no one wants their superior to suffer the wrath of the general etc. well, outside of the military that's a huge issue because sometimes they will hide really important info from you because they didn't want to inconvenience you with the truth which could cause problems...not realizing that withholding such information actually caused bigger problems. it's a hard habit to break them of.
don't get me wrong, they are hard workers and will do just about anything you command them to do, but sometimes they'll leave you in the dark thinking they are doing you a favor. some of our best employees have been eagle scouts 2 cents -sean On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 2:04 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > You do sometimes have to teach them not to blindly follow orders. I > worked at one company that hired several young military guys, and we > referred to them as the “hut hut hut” guys. If the boss told them to take > that hill, they would take that hill no matter what, rather than question > if the boss was maybe a pointy haired moron. > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Atks5rRqQkg > > > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *dave > *Sent:* Thursday, June 6, 2019 7:59 AM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills > > > > Since I was a Full time and a Part time soldier I was brought up with good > values and the meaning of hard work even though I had > my spell of crazy young man days but I think my first Tour humbled me a > bit to understand Focus. > Now that i am older it seems my Focus on some days fails me and I often > wonder if there are younger more focused people to > sustain hard work when needed. > > I strongly believe in the hard worker and the veterans returning home > looking to start a new. > > > On 6/5/19 12:00 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > Or like me, I can fly a desk, but I’m afraid of heights and that would be > a problem if you hired me as an installer. > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf > Of *Mathew Howard > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 5, 2019 9:01 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills > > > > Indeed. For an installer, it seems to me that construction-type experience > is probably more valuable than tech experience. > > > > On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 8:21 AM Jay Weekley <par...@cyberbroadband.net> > wrote: > > Was he in the dilemma of trying to get a tech job without experience but > couldn't experience without a job? I'm as interested in someone that > knows a wood bit from a mortar bit as I am in someone that can perform a > simple router setup. > > Jerry Head wrote: > > Disagree. > > We hired an installer last year who just turned 18. > > He was one of three people (of 9 who answered the ad) who showed up. > > We had a simple test of programming a XX-Link router. > > He failed. > > My network engineer said "Lets try him anyway". > > We did hire him and he has worked out really well. > > So there's that I guess. > > > > > > On 5/31/2019 9:34 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > >> Anyone worth a crap is not out looking for a job these days. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On May 30, 2019, at 10:51 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) > >>> <li...@packetflux.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> A couple of thoughts: > >>> > >>> Many of these type of people will be working on something interesting > >>> in their own time. Maybe some probing questions about what they > >>> have done on their own. Depending on what you're looking for, things > >>> like 'have you ever played with an arduino? Raspberry Pi? etc?' > >>> might help. > >>> > >>> Have you thought about what would have attracted you to a job listing? > >>> That might be a good starting point. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:28 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> When I was young I went exploring. I'd ask my mom if I could go for a > >>>> bike ride. I never really specified where, and just kept ranging > >>>> farther and farther from home. I'd end up in creeks, culvert pipes, > >>>> climbing fences, walking through woods, construction sites, quarries, > >>>> and basically anywhere else I didn't get kicked out of. I got > >>>> there on > >>>> my bike so in terms of parental permission I put it all under the > >>>> category of "going for a bike ride". I only got arrested once, but I > >>>> probably deserved it a few more times. > >>>> > >>>> I also took things apart and used bits of wire and a battery to play > >>>> with the components. At an early job they were impressed that I > >>>> correctly used the word "potentiometer" in a sentence. I also > >>>> plugged a > >>>> DC motor into a 120V AC outle --a valuable lesson there. I also > >>>> melted a > >>>> NiCad battery on the carpet when I left it on the charger too long. > >>>> > >>>> My hobbies included model trains and my RC car. I could tell you the > >>>> difference between a parallel and series circuit when I was 10. I > >>>> tagged > >>>> along with my brother when he went out shooting with his Ruger > >>>> 10/22. I > >>>> slept out in the woods for the fun of it, and sometimes didn't bring > >>>> anything but matches. Played with fireworks, made my own fireworks > >>>> with > >>>> homemade black powder and/or match heads. > >>>> > >>>> My dad made me do drywall, set fence posts, change the belt on a > >>>> lawnmower, and so on. > >>>> > >>>> Every success and every failure contributed to a set of skills that I > >>>> took for granted until I encountered people who didn't have them. > >>>> Things > >>>> like spatial reasoning, basic electricity, use of basic hand tools, > >>>> and > >>>> a general sense of time, distance, and direction. > >>>> > >>>> So the question for AFMUG is how do you find out whether a job > >>>> applicant > >>>> is the curious explorer who wants to know how everything works? > >>>> How do > >>>> I attract that applicant to begin with? I may want specific skills > >>>> too > >>>> like a juggler who can juggle, but I really want people who can figure > >>>> stuff out and won't be deterred by every little bump in the road. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> AF mailing list > >>>> AF@af.afmug.com > >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> - Forrest > >>> > >>> -- > >>> AF mailing list > >>> AF@af.afmug.com > >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > > > -- > *Jay Weekley* > *Cyber Broadband > * > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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