Gheeze, rounding error.  It is close enough.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 1:52 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck

As I said it's not 30, you're 10% higher than that.  That's retail price for a 
base model Tundra.  I'm sure it's a great truck but it's apples and oranges.


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On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 3:51 PM Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote:

  Does a $30k truck come with AC? Power windows? Radio?




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  From: "Matt Hoppes" <[email protected]>
  To: "Mathew Howard" <[email protected]>, "AnimalFarm Microwave Users 
Group" <[email protected]>
  Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 2:49:15 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck

  OK... and?  Still a far cry from $40 or $50.

  On 11/22/19 3:42 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
  > That's $32,780...
  > 
  > On Fri, Nov 22, 2019, 2:35 PM Matt Hoppes 
  > <[email protected] 
  > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
  > 
  >     That’s the current model.
  > 
  >     Here’s the bill of sale:
  > 
  >     image1.jpeg
  > 
  >     On Nov 22, 2019, at 1:55 PM, Josh Luthman
  >     <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
  >     wrote:
  > 
  >>     That's $36k, 20% more...
  >>
  >>     Josh Luthman
  >>     Office: 937-552-2340
  >>     Direct: 937-552-2343
  >>     1100 Wayne St
  >>     Suite 1337
  >>     Troy, OH 45373
  >>
  >>
  >>     On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 1:08 PM Matt Hoppes
  >>     <[email protected]
  >>     <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
  >>
  >>         I’ll get you the bill of sale when I get back to the office.
  >>
  >>         Brand new 2018 Tundra. 100 miles. Never owned. No issue.
  >>
  >>         Here’s a comparably equipped 2019 for $34k.
  >>
  >>         <image1.png>
  >>
  >>         On Nov 22, 2019, at 12:39 PM, Josh Luthman
  >>         <[email protected]
  >>         <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
  >>
  >>>         You think a truck would have sat on the lot for a year? 
  >>>         Tundras don't sell well, but I don't think they sell
  >>>         remarkably bad.
  >>>
  >>>         Josh Luthman
  >>>         Office: 937-552-2340
  >>>         Direct: 937-552-2343
  >>>         1100 Wayne St
  >>>         Suite 1337
  >>>         Troy, OH 45373
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>         On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 12:38 PM Robert
  >>>         <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
  >>>
  >>>             Last year lot sitter, sure....
  >>>
  >>>             On 11/22/19 9:23 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
  >>>>             I seriously doubt you got a new, untitled, Tundra for
  >>>>             $30k,  Especially with options.  There's no way they're
  >>>>             doing a 10%+ discount for you or anyone else with a
  >>>>             single quantity purchase.  I'll believe 30k when I see
  >>>>             the bill of sale.
  >>>>
  >>>>             Josh Luthman
  >>>>             Office: 937-552-2340
  >>>>             Direct: 937-552-2343
  >>>>             1100 Wayne St
  >>>>             Suite 1337
  >>>>             Troy, OH 45373
  >>>>
  >>>>
  >>>>             On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 10:57 AM Matt Hoppes
  >>>>             <[email protected]
  >>>>             <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
  >>>>
  >>>>                 I absolutely know what trucks cost and $50-$60k is
  >>>>                 way too much.   We
  >>>>                 purchased a brand new Toyota Tundra two years ago
  >>>>                 for $30k... outfitted
  >>>>                 well.
  >>>>
  >>>>                 On 11/22/19 10:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
  >>>>                 > To be consistent with my feelings on their semi
  >>>>                 truck, as long as the
  >>>>                 > performance, specifications, reliability, utility
  >>>>                 are as promised, I
  >>>>                 > care much less about how it appears.
  >>>>                 >
  >>>>                 > That $40k price point is nice, though I'd want at
  >>>>                 least the $50k to have
  >>>>                 > AWD.
  >>>>                 >
  >>>>                 > I've seen people say stuff like, "OMG, that too
  >>>>                 much money for a truck."
  >>>>                 > Clearly they have no idea what trucks cost. I
  >>>>                 haven't seen what the
  >>>>                 > electric ATV costs.
  >>>>                 >
  >>>>                 > I also wonder what else changes between the tiers.
  >>>>                 Adding more motors
  >>>>                 > shouldn't add to the range of the vehicle, so
  >>>>                 what's happening with the
  >>>>                 > battery, weight, etc. Adding more batteries
  >>>>                 shouldn't make it faster, so
  >>>>                 > what's up with the extra motors?
  >>>>                 >
  >>>>                 > I'm more willing to admit I don't need to pull a
  >>>>                 house with my daily
  >>>>                 > driver because I can always get something from the
  >>>>                 farm. I just want it
  >>>>                 > to be big enough to handle most things. Hell, even
  >>>>                 the 14k towing would
  >>>>                 > be enough for our Bobcat and trailer.
  >>>>                 >
  >>>>                 > I wonder how trailers work with the EVs...  how
  >>>>                 easy is it to add (or
  >>>>                 > get the option for) gooseneck, fifth wheel, etc.
  >>>>                 >
  >>>>                 > I do like the hard, lockable tonneau cover. Maybe
  >>>>                 Rivian had it
  >>>>                 > available and I just forgot. Nice place to store a
  >>>>                 bunch of tools for a
  >>>>                 > work truck, though no place to add a ladder rack.
  >>>>                 >
  >>>>                 > I was annoyed they didn't have battery specs, but
  >>>>                 I suppose that could
  >>>>                 > still be fuzzy. Maybe they don't know if they need
  >>>>                 100 or 110 kw to meet
  >>>>                 > their advertised performance numbers.
  >>>>                 >
  >>>>                 > Weight would be nice to know as well.
  >>>>                 >
  >>>>                 > I'm not surprised on the design. All else equal,
  >>>>                 I'd probably prefer the
  >>>>                 > Rivian, but let's see how things actually bare
  >>>>                 out. What's the "mpg"
  >>>>                 > compared to Rivian? I guess it'd be MPkWh?
  >>>>                 >
  >>>>                 >
  >>>>                 >
  >>>>                 >
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  >>>>                 > *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]
  >>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]>>
  >>>>                 > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
  >>>>                 <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
  >>>>                 > *Sent: *Friday, November 22, 2019 9:25:31 AM
  >>>>                 > *Subject: *[AFMUG] Cybertruck
  >>>>                 >
  >>>>                 > I was expecting to see some comments from this
  >>>>                 crowd. Was everyone
  >>>>                 > suitably underwhelmed?  Or running out to place
  >>>>                 your pre-orders?
  >>>>                 >
  >>>>                 > I think I saw one comment that it looked like a
  >>>>                 cross between an El
  >>>>                 > Camino and a Pontiac Aztec.  It certainly was not
  >>>>                 what I expected when I
  >>>>                 > heard Tesla was going to bring out an electric
  >>>>                 truck.  It sounds like
  >>>>                 > the 3 motor version will indeed be fast, but how
  >>>>                 big a market is there
  >>>>                 > for a  fast, expensive, ugly truck?  Maybe more
  >>>>                 than I realize.
  >>>>                 >
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