I wonder, have the Portland riots magically ceased?
From: Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 7:38 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
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isnt it amazing the difference between a direct quote and enemy media spin?
doesnt matter, leftist wingbats dont care, those tools still say trump called
all mexicans rapists, mental prowess isnt one of their strengths
same with 100s of pieces of mail not equating more than a single unknown ballot
"we gottem this time for sure" says the zealots in the helmets on both teams as
the load into their shortbusses
On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 8:34 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
Here's the Washington Examiner covering the same order by Barr. There's a
very different tone here. It sounds as if the order was intended to limit the
scope of investigations to only situations where the allegation seems plausible
and the scale of the alleged fraud could have actually affected the outcome of
an election.
Quote from Bill Barr's order, requoted from above article:
""You are the most senior leaders in the United States Department of Justice
and I trust you to exercise great care and judgment in addressing allegations
of voting and vote tabulation irregularities. While serious allegations should
be handled with great care, specious, speculative, fanciful, or far-fetched
claims should not be a basis for initiating federal inquiries.””
On 11/9/2020 7:38 PM, justsumname wrote:
this thing is just getting started, gents. It's only Monday.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/breaking-ag-barr-authorizes-federal-prosecutors-pursue-substantial-allegations-voting-irregularities-2020-election-certified/
RealClearPolitics un-calls Pennsylvania for Biden. The state is grey on
their map, now. Was Blue yesterday.
I do not understand the vitriol against Mr Trump. He's been an excellent
President for all Americans.
No I didn't ask... I can read everyone's comments, and I have. For years.
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On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 6:16 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
I wish they could invent a secure method to vote online. But it has to
be resistant to buying and selling votes.
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 9, 2020, at 3:52 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:
It's pretty straight forward to verify integrity of the vote. We have
already dont it with covid test results. We are blind ballot meaning no one can
see who you voted for. Covid result eliminated anyone's ability to claim their
vote was stolen or manipulated since you can check your results with your code.
You can do the same without recording a name.
If there is any question of validity in a count, it can be verified,
fairly quickly.
Covid built us a system to have a secure vote. Inadvertant side effects
are the best side effects.
You register, you are assigned your key. Your registration can be
verified legitimate. You can even vote online. The tracing infrastructure can
be used to canvass a contested district for verification of vote accuracy.
This is the last election where fraud can be claimed... inadvertant, as
is most of the left's mistakes
On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 12:20 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
The advantage to that is that the records will probably last a long
time. OTOH, storage might become an issue.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>On 11/9/2020 10:16 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
In our county, we have to quarry a stone tablet, cart it down to
the office, make an X with a tar crayon, and be able to lift on to the ballet
cart to have the vote count.
On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
Our county typically uses touchscreen machines for in-person
voting, both early and day-of. (A paper tape record is also printed out and
can be verified by the voter) Obviously these are very quick to process.
Early voting sites were open for 15 days prior to the election.
In addition, there was one early voting site open 40 days prior to the
election, but it used paper ballots. Basically you filled out the same form as
a mail-in ballot, sealed it, and dropped it in a box. That’s how I voted and I
was disappointed that was the process, I thought they would scan them through a
“tabulator” as the last step, just like back when we used paper ballots for
day-of voting. I expected as the last step before leaving I would feed the
paper ballot into a scanner. Instead I sealed it in an envelope and dropped it
in a box.
All the paper ballots including early in-person and mail-in were
required to sit in the locked boxes until something like 7am on election day
before they could start processing them. This was apparently also the case in
many battleground states. They weren’t even allowed to open the envelopes,
uncrease the forms, check signatures, nothing.
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, November 9, 2020 9:52 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
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In our county (and I have no idea if this is the norm in the rest
of the state), they count them as they come in, but hold the results in a
secure area until the close of the in-person polls. Ballots that are postmarked
(if they were mailed) up until the day of the election will be accepted for a
certain amount of time, but I don't know how long that is.
We also have an online ballot tracking system. After we dropped
our ballots off, we could go to a ballot status web site that told us (1) if
the ballot had been received, and (2) if it had been accepted. It took 48 hours
for our ballots to show up in that system. I presume if our ballots had not
been accepted, there is some sort of mechanism to go fix that, but I've never
had to use it.
bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>On 11/9/2020 7:25 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Yes, some states are doing exactly that.
From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, November 9, 2020 8:09 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
Scan them as they go, but don't publish the ongoing count.
On 11/8/2020 4:45 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I think vote by mail and scan them as they arrive is the way
to go. That way when the polls close you have an immediate count.
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 2:38 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
The whole punch card voting "system" was doomed from the
beginning. I remember using it when I lived in Santa Clara County 30 years ago
or so. Even when you punched out a hole properly, the chads would sometime
stick or hang on a corner.
For quite some time now, we've been using the paper ballots
where you fill in the square or the circle.
I've also been registered as a permanent absentee for over a
decade. When I voted (almost a month ago now), we filled out our ballots at the
kitchen counter, and took them to a drop box the next day when we were running
errands in town. The actual act of "voting" (if you want to call it that) took
less than 1 minute as we just dropped the ballots off at one of dozens of drop
boxes all over the county.Our county has (IIRC) 39 drop boxes for a population
of ~~ 750,000, or about 1 drop box for every 20,000 people.
Pennsylvania still hasn't started counting the late arrival
absentee ballots. All of the ones they've counted so far arrived before
November 3, but for reasons I don't understand were not allowed to be counted
until after the day-of voting. From the things I've read, there are only about
85,000 of them, and they are unlikely to do anything but extend Biden's cushion.
I (for one) would be in favor of uniform voting/counting
standards. Perhaps it would be a violation of state's rights, but on the other
hand, there would be a lot less confusion when the time for voting comes around.
bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>On 11/8/2020 11:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Stop the vote in Pennsylvania but keep counting in Arizona.
It’s a Maxwell’s Demon approach. Open the door when it helps me, close the
door when it helps the other guy.
That’s probably why the Supremes stopped the recounts in
Bush v Gore, the Gore camp wanted to keep looking for errors but only in the
counties where they thought it would help them. But also the votes had already
been counted (and recounted). And there was the original Florida Man, some guy
named Hanging Chad? And the phone call and the retraction.
Democrats to this day take it as gospel that Gore was
robbed. That does not bode well for half the country moving on from this
election.
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Bill
Prince
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 12:02 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
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In Michigan we're demanding a recount. In Wisconsin we're
demanding a decount. In Georgia it's opposites day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LmFVEi5Jd0
bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>On 11/7/2020 8:27 PM, justsumname wrote:
The declaration that Biden has won is premature. This
thing hasn't really gotten started yet.
Judges don't hold court on the weekends.
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On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 6:40 PM Jaime Solorza
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes good movie.
More akin to today is Seven Days in May...March,
Douglas, Lancaster...
On Sat, Nov 7, 2020, 4:22 PM Ken Hohhof
<af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
The Founding Fathers didn’t account for the rise of
political parties, which came soon enough.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College#Original_plan
Somehow I’m reminded of the movie The Man Who Shot
Liberty Valance. Set in the fading days of the old west with territories
becoming states and deciding who to elect as their representatives. Should it
be Jimmy Stewart the righteous lawyer, or Lee Marvin the outlaw gang leader?
The old fashioned idea that you sent the brightest and best educated person to
Washington to represent you. Hah! Politicians are not held in great esteem
today, and we would probably vote for Liberty Valance. I assume everyone has
seen the movie. It’s an old John Ford western, in fact he shot it in B&W, but
it’s a must see. Look at the cast – Jimmy Stewart, John Wayne, Lee Marvin,
Vera Miles, Andy Devine, Edmond O’Brien, John Caradine, Lee Van Cleef.
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Bill
Prince
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2020 4:46 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
The three-fifths compromise was enacted long before
California existed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_Compromise
bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>On 11/7/2020 12:54 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
Uhhhh. No. The EC was created so that California
has the same voice power as Rhode Island.
On Nov 7, 2020, at 3:17 PM, Bill Prince
mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Could have been over on Tuesday if we didn't have
the silly Electoral College shenanigans; which actually evolved from the crazy
slave is 3/5 of a person nonsense. Here we are ~~ 250 years later and we're
still dealing with decisions we made about slaves.
bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>On 11/7/2020 11:15 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
We have spoken.
Righteous Indignation
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