In our county, we have to quarry a stone tablet, cart
it down to the office, make an X with a tar crayon, and
be able to lift on to the ballet cart to have the vote
count.
On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof
<af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Our county typically uses touchscreen machines for
in-person voting, both early and day-of. (A paper
tape record is also printed out and can be verified
by the voter) Obviously these are very quick to
process.
Early voting sites were open for 15 days prior to
the election. In addition, there was one early
voting site open 40 days prior to the election, but
it used paper ballots. Basically you filled out
the same form as a mail-in ballot, sealed it, and
dropped it in a box. That’s how I voted and I was
disappointed that was the process, I thought they
would scan them through a “tabulator” as the last
step, just like back when we used paper ballots for
day-of voting. I expected as the last step before
leaving I would feed the paper ballot into a
scanner. Instead I sealed it in an envelope and
dropped it in a box.
All the paper ballots including early in-person and
mail-in were required to sit in the locked boxes
until something like 7am on election day before
they could start processing them. This was
apparently also the case in many battleground
states. They weren’t even allowed to open the
envelopes, uncrease the forms, check signatures,
nothing.
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of
*Bill Prince
*Sent:* Monday, November 9, 2020 9:52 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
In our county (and I have no idea if this is the
norm in the rest of the state), they count them as
they come in, but hold the results in a secure area
until the close of the in-person polls. Ballots
that are postmarked (if they were mailed) up until
the day of the election will be accepted for a
certain amount of time, but I don't know how long
that is.
We also have an online ballot tracking system.
After we dropped our ballots off, we could go to a
ballot status web site that told us (1) if the
ballot had been received, and (2) if it had been
accepted. It took 48 hours for our ballots to show
up in that system. I presume if our ballots had not
been accepted, there is some sort of mechanism to
go fix that, but I've never had to use it.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 11/9/2020 7:25 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Yes, some states are doing exactly that.
*From:*Adam Moffett
*Sent:*Monday, November 9, 2020 8:09 AM
*To:*af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is
deafening..
Scan them as they go, but don't publish the
ongoing count.
On 11/8/2020 4:45 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
I think vote by mail and scan them as they
arrive is the way to go. That way when the
polls close you have an immediate count.
*From:*Bill Prince
*Sent:*Sunday, November 8, 2020 2:38 PM
*To:*af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is
deafening..
The whole punch card voting "system" was
doomed from the beginning. I remember using
it when I lived in Santa Clara County 30
years ago or so. Even when you punched out
a hole properly, the chads would sometime
stick or hang on a corner.
For quite some time now, we've been using
the paper ballots where you fill in the
square or the circle.
I've also been registered as a permanent
absentee for over a decade. When I voted
(almost a month ago now), we filled out our
ballots at the kitchen counter, and took
them to a drop box the next day when we
were running errands in town. The actual
act of "voting" (if you want to call it
that) took less than 1 minute as we just
dropped the ballots off at one of dozens of
drop boxes all over the county.Our county
has (IIRC) 39 drop boxes for a population
of ~~ 750,000, or about 1 drop box for
every 20,000 people.
Pennsylvania still hasn't started counting
the late arrival absentee ballots. All of
the ones they've counted so far arrived
before November 3, but for reasons I don't
understand were not allowed to be counted
until after the day-of voting. From the
things I've read, there are only about
85,000 of them, and they are unlikely to do
anything but extend Biden's cushion.
I (for one) would be in favor of uniform
voting/counting standards. Perhaps it would
be a violation of state's rights, but on
the other hand, there would be a lot less
confusion when the time for voting comes
around.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 11/8/2020 11:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Stop the vote in Pennsylvania but keep
counting in Arizona. It’s a Maxwell’s
Demon approach. Open the door when it
helps me, close the door when it helps
the other guy.
That’s probably why the Supremes
stopped the recounts in Bush v Gore,
the Gore camp wanted to keep looking
for errors but only in the counties
where they thought it would help them.
But also the votes had already been
counted (and recounted). And there was
the original Florida Man, some guy
named Hanging Chad? And the phone call
and the retraction.
Democrats to this day take it as gospel
that Gore was robbed. That does not
bode well for half the country moving
on from this election.
*From:*AF
mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On
Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Sunday, November 8, 2020 12:02 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence
is deafening..
In Michigan we're demanding a recount.
In Wisconsin we're demanding a decount.
In Georgia it's opposites day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LmFVEi5Jd0
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LmFVEi5Jd0>
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 11/7/2020 8:27 PM, justsumname wrote:
The declaration that Biden has won
is premature. This thing hasn't
really gotten started yet.
Judges don't hold court on the
weekends.
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On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 6:40 PM
Jaime Solorza
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
wrote:
Yes good movie.
More akin to today is Seven
Days in May...March, Douglas,
Lancaster...
On Sat, Nov 7, 2020, 4:22 PM
Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
The Founding Fathers didn’t
account for the rise of
political parties, which
came soon enough.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College#Original_plan
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College#Original_plan>
Somehow I’m reminded of the
movie The Man Who Shot
Liberty Valance. Set in
the fading days of the old
west with territories
becoming states and
deciding who to elect as
their representatives.
Should it be Jimmy Stewart
the righteous lawyer, or
Lee Marvin the outlaw gang
leader? The old fashioned
idea that you sent the
brightest and best educated
person to Washington to
represent you. Hah!
Politicians are not held in
great esteem today, and we
would probably vote for
Liberty Valance. I assume
everyone has seen the
movie. It’s an old John
Ford western, in fact he
shot it in B&W, but it’s a
must see. Look at the cast
– Jimmy Stewart, John
Wayne, Lee Marvin, Vera
Miles, Andy Devine, Edmond
O’Brien, John Caradine, Lee
Van Cleef.
*From:*AF
<af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>>
*On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Saturday, November
7, 2020 4:46 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT:
The Silence is deafening..
The three-fifths compromise
was enacted long before
California existed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_Compromise
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_Compromise>
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 11/7/2020 12:54 PM, Matt
Hoppes wrote:
Uhhhh. No. The EC was
created so that
California has the same
voice power as Rhode
Island.
On Nov 7, 2020, at
3:17 PM, Bill
Prince
mailto:part15...@gmail.com
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Could have been
over on Tuesday if
we didn't have the
silly Electoral
College
shenanigans; which
actually evolved
from the crazy
slave is 3/5 of a
person nonsense.
Here we are ~~ 250
years later and
we're still dealing
with decisions we
made about slaves.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 11/7/2020 11:15
AM, Jaime Solorza
wrote:
We have spoken.
Righteous
Indignation
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