In our county, we have to quarry a stone tablet,
cart it down to the office, make an X with a tar
crayon, and be able to lift on to the ballet cart
to have the vote count.
On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Our county typically uses touchscreen machines
for in-person voting, both early and day-of.
(A paper tape record is also printed out and
can be verified by the voter) Obviously these
are very quick to process.
Early voting sites were open for 15 days prior
to the election. In addition, there was one
early voting site open 40 days prior to the
election, but it used paper ballots. Basically
you filled out the same form as a mail-in
ballot, sealed it, and dropped it in a box.
That’s how I voted and I was disappointed that
was the process, I thought they would scan
them through a “tabulator” as the last step,
just like back when we used paper ballots for
day-of voting. I expected as the last step
before leaving I would feed the paper ballot
into a scanner. Instead I sealed it in an
envelope and dropped it in a box.
All the paper ballots including early
in-person and mail-in were required to sit in
the locked boxes until something like 7am on
election day before they could start
processing them. This was apparently also the
case in many battleground states. They weren’t
even allowed to open the envelopes, uncrease
the forms, check signatures, nothing.
*From:* AF <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> *On Behalf
Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Monday, November 9, 2020 9:52 AM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is
deafening..
In our county (and I have no idea if this is
the norm in the rest of the state), they count
them as they come in, but hold the results in
a secure area until the close of the in-person
polls. Ballots that are postmarked (if they
were mailed) up until the day of the election
will be accepted for a certain amount of time,
but I don't know how long that is.
We also have an online ballot tracking system.
After we dropped our ballots off, we could go
to a ballot status web site that told us (1)
if the ballot had been received, and (2) if it
had been accepted. It took 48 hours for our
ballots to show up in that system. I presume
if our ballots had not been accepted, there is
some sort of mechanism to go fix that, but
I've never had to use it.
bp
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On 11/9/2020 7:25 AM, [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
Yes, some states are doing exactly that.
*From:*Adam Moffett
*Sent:*Monday, November 9, 2020 8:09 AM
*To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is
deafening..
Scan them as they go, but don't publish
the ongoing count.
On 11/8/2020 4:45 PM, [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
I think vote by mail and scan them as
they arrive is the way to go. That
way when the polls close you have an
immediate count.
*From:*Bill Prince
*Sent:*Sunday, November 8, 2020 2:38 PM
*To:*[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence
is deafening..
The whole punch card voting "system"
was doomed from the beginning. I
remember using it when I lived in
Santa Clara County 30 years ago or
so. Even when you punched out a hole
properly, the chads would sometime
stick or hang on a corner.
For quite some time now, we've been
using the paper ballots where you fill
in the square or the circle.
I've also been registered as a
permanent absentee for over a decade.
When I voted (almost a month ago now),
we filled out our ballots at the
kitchen counter, and took them to a
drop box the next day when we were
running errands in town. The actual
act of "voting" (if you want to call
it that) took less than 1 minute as we
just dropped the ballots off at one of
dozens of drop boxes all over the
county.Our county has (IIRC) 39 drop
boxes for a population of ~~ 750,000,
or about 1 drop box for every 20,000
people.
Pennsylvania still hasn't started
counting the late arrival absentee
ballots. All of the ones they've
counted so far arrived before November
3, but for reasons I don't understand
were not allowed to be counted until
after the day-of voting. From the
things I've read, there are only about
85,000 of them, and they are unlikely
to do anything but extend Biden's cushion.
I (for one) would be in favor of
uniform voting/counting standards.
Perhaps it would be a violation of
state's rights, but on the other hand,
there would be a lot less confusion
when the time for voting comes around.
bp
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On 11/8/2020 11:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Stop the vote in Pennsylvania but
keep counting in Arizona. It’s a
Maxwell’s Demon approach. Open the
door when it helps me, close the
door when it helps the other guy.
That’s probably why the Supremes
stopped the recounts in Bush v
Gore, the Gore camp wanted to keep
looking for errors but only in the
counties where they thought it
would help them. But also the
votes had already been counted
(and recounted). And there was the
original Florida Man, some guy
named Hanging Chad? And the phone
call and the retraction.
Democrats to this day take it as
gospel that Gore was robbed. That
does not bode well for half the
country moving on from this election.
*From:*AF
mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
*On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Sunday, November 8, 2020
12:02 PM
*To:* [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The
Silence is deafening..
In Michigan we're demanding a
recount. In Wisconsin we're
demanding a decount. In Georgia
it's opposites day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LmFVEi5Jd0
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LmFVEi5Jd0>
bp
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On 11/7/2020 8:27 PM, justsumname
wrote:
The declaration that Biden has
won is premature. This thing
hasn't really gotten started yet.
Judges don't hold court on the
weekends.
--
On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 6:40 PM
Jaime Solorza
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
Yes good movie.
More akin to today is
Seven Days in May...March,
Douglas, Lancaster...
On Sat, Nov 7, 2020, 4:22
PM Ken Hohhof
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
The Founding Fathers
didn’t account for the
rise of political
parties, which came
soon enough.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College#Original_plan
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College#Original_plan>
Somehow I’m reminded
of the movie The Man
Who Shot Liberty
Valance. Set in the
fading days of the old
west with territories
becoming states and
deciding who to elect
as their
representatives.
Should it be Jimmy
Stewart the righteous
lawyer, or Lee Marvin
the outlaw gang
leader? The old
fashioned idea that
you sent the brightest
and best educated
person to Washington
to represent you.
Hah! Politicians are
not held in great
esteem today, and we
would probably vote
for Liberty Valance.
I assume everyone has
seen the movie. It’s
an old John Ford
western, in fact he
shot it in B&W, but
it’s a must see. Look
at the cast – Jimmy
Stewart, John Wayne,
Lee Marvin, Vera
Miles, Andy Devine,
Edmond O’Brien, John
Caradine, Lee Van Cleef.
*From:*AF
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Saturday,
November 7, 2020 4:46 PM
*To:* [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]
OT: The Silence is
deafening..
The three-fifths
compromise was enacted
long before California
existed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_Compromise
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_Compromise>
bp
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On 11/7/2020 12:54 PM,
Matt Hoppes wrote:
Uhhhh. No. The EC
was created so
that California
has the same voice
power as Rhode
Island.
On Nov 7,
2020, at 3:17
PM, Bill
Prince
mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
wrote:
Could have
been over on
Tuesday if we
didn't have
the silly
Electoral
College
shenanigans;
which actually
evolved from
the crazy
slave is 3/5
of a person
nonsense. Here
we are ~~ 250
years later
and we're
still dealing
with decisions
we made about
slaves.
bp
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On 11/7/2020
11:15 AM,
Jaime Solorza
wrote:
We have
spoken.
Righteous
Indignation
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