David, I'm vaccinated and I believe most vaccinated people are NOT afraid of being infected. What we're afraid of are the less informed, unvaccinated people getting infected, creating new variants, and overloading hospital ICU beds again which would cause lockdowns and mask mandates.
I took the vaccine to be part of the solution to return life to normal. If the unvaccinated people take away my freedom to go out and not wear a mask, that's what I'm afraid of and angry about. I did my part and masked up when it was mandated and saw many small businesses go out of business because of lockdowns. I do NOT want this to happen again which means people should vaccinate so we keep cases down, deaths down, ICU beds open, and America open for business with no masks needed. This is not about my fear of getting covid after my vaccine. Get that through your head. People need to stop spreading fake news from Fox and other conservative voices and get the damn vaccine which is "Authorized" but not fully approved. I think hundreds of millions of doses is enough of a trial to conclude it's safer than Covid. Over 99% of covid patients in the hospital today are unvaccinated. Sad to see the lack of intelligence in half of America, particularly those who lean to the right politically. This simply confirms they can be brainwashed quite easily. On Sat, Jul 24, 2021 at 11:22 PM Jan-GAMs <[email protected]> wrote: > It's "Z" world the movie come to life. The MAGAT-nazi-brown-shirt-zombies > walking at me grunting "freedom" over and over trying to grab and bite. I > keep shooting them to no avail and they just keep coming at me. then my > wife hits me and says you having a nightmare? and I wake up in a sweat. > On 7/24/21 8:32 PM, Chuck Macenski wrote: > > Assuming the vaccine is 90% effective, your neighbor (vaccinated) has a 9 > in 10 chance of not getting it. Unvaccinated, your neighbor will get it > (per your scenario) and now has the ability to infect others. A good > analogy is critical-mass in a nuclear reactor; the vaccine represents the > control rods and the infected represent the decaying isotope. Drop the > control rods and the reaction stops - pull them out and the reaction goes > super-critical. > > I wish I could tie this to Dr. Strangelove, but it is late and I am > tired. > > > > On Sat, Jul 24, 2021 at 9:27 PM Steve Jones <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> I laugh at the whole "get vaccinated so you dont give it to your >> neighbor" coming from the vaccinated who are spreading it to their >> neighbors. >> >> Good lulz. >> >> Anybody wanna charter a flight from texas to dc? >> >> On Sat, Jul 24, 2021, 8:01 PM Chuck McCown via AF <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Run Forrest >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > On Jul 24, 2021, at 6:09 PM, Jay Weekley <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > Yay Alabama. >>> > >>> > Jaime Solorza wrote: >>> >> Getting vaccinated is just the correct thing to do...like polio and >>> other ones.. >>> >> I don't see it as an infringement on my rights at all. >>> >> Families are dying in the south mostly...the virus doesn't give a >>> shit what you believe... >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Sat, Jul 24, 2021, 4:38 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) < >>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> I've been trying to stay out of this to avoid stirring this up >>> >> further, but, it's probably time for me to stick my $0.02 in... >>> >> >>> >> One primary role of government is to make rules or laws in places >>> >> where people's rights (or opinions) come in conflict with each >>> other. >>> >> >>> >> Pre-vaccine, the most likely way for me to be protected from >>> >> infection is if other people behaved like they might be a >>> >> carrier. That is, limit social interaction, stay away from other >>> >> people if possible, wear masks, practice good hygiene. Some >>> >> people didn't want to do this. Other people didn't want to be >>> >> infected, but couldn't protect themselves effectively. Both >>> >> sides had rights - the right to do what one wants vs the right not >>> >> to be infected by others who are a carrier. Add to that the right >>> >> of being able to have an ICU bed available if you did end up >>> >> infected. At this point, the government needed to step in and >>> >> make a decision about who's rights were going to be protected, and >>> >> because of the nature of COVID, most places ended up choosing the >>> >> rights of people not to be infected. >>> >> >>> >> Post-vaccine this conversation changes. Now I have a way to >>> >> protect myself. Post-vaccination, my risk of dying or having >>> >> long-term effects from COVID is more like dying from the flu (if >>> >> not less). As a result, now that anyone who wants a shot can get >>> >> one, I really could care less whether someone else wears a mask or >>> >> gets vaccinated. Your choice. And the government rules should >>> >> reflect that, which most of them do at this point. >>> >> >>> >> There is one main caveat, and that is that in some areas we're >>> >> going to have a resurgence of COVID among (mostly) the >>> >> unvaccinated. If unvaccinated people start to fill the hospital >>> >> ICU wards, then either we need to go back to mask mandates and >>> >> similar in those areas, OR we need to be willing to kick >>> >> unvaccinated people out of the ICU when they fill, and let them >>> >> die of COVID at home. Yes, this is cold, but if you chose a path >>> >> that results in a higher risk of dying, then you should also take >>> >> the risk of there not being an ICU bed available to you if you >>> >> need it. >>> >> >>> >> There is also the concern about variants being generated by the >>> >> virus continuing to run rampant among parts of the population. >>> I'm going to ignore this as this makes my point a bit more messy >>> >> as then you have to start asking difficult questions about what >>> >> the actual risk of this is versus the downside of forcing a >>> >> population to either be vaccinated or continue quarantine+mask >>> >> wearing. I'm not convinced that there is strong enough evidence, >>> >> either way, to make a decision here. >>> >> >>> >> The other point which continues to be frustrating is that we need >>> >> people to make their decision about being vaccinated based on >>> >> actual facts. Not based on talking points or conspiracy theories >>> >> from the left or the right. The vaccine isn't magnetic. The >>> >> vaccine, although still not fully FDA approved has proven to have >>> >> a lower statistical risk of bad outcomes than COVID itself. No, >>> >> the vaccine isn't 100% effective, but it is highly effective. >>> No, the vaccines don't have tracking chips. Even if you survive >>> >> COVID-19 (99% chance of doing so), the likelihood of having >>> >> long-term health effects is much higher (over 10%). No, the >>> >> vaccines don't alter your DNA. And on and on. >>> >> >>> >> Sadly, it seems that the worst of these conspiracy theories around >>> >> the vaccine and COVID continue to come from the right. I totally >>> >> respect people who look at the real facts and decide not to get >>> >> the vaccine. I can understand how two people who look at the >>> >> facts can choose either way, although I do believe that with the >>> >> real facts, most people would end up with the vaccine. But the >>> >> whole slew of made-up crap that is circulating is detrimental to >>> >> people actually being able to make an informed decision as opposed >>> >> to jumping on this or that conspiracy theory and making decisions >>> >> based on that. Add to that a healthy dose of ignoring facts that >>> >> don't match up with one's world view and you've got a situation >>> >> where many people make decisions based not on facts but on rumors >>> >> and suppositions. >>> >> >>> >> And before someone thinks I'm saying the right has an exclusive >>> >> lock on conspiracy theories, I need to state for the record that >>> >> the left has their fair share as well. Which side has made up >>> >> more crap seems to revolve around the issue, with some issues >>> >> largely just being both sides making up crap to make the issue >>> >> appear larger than it is. >>> >> >>> >> On Sat, Jul 24, 2021 at 7:13 AM David Coudron >>> >> <[email protected] >>> >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> This is the key to the issue. Who decides what a valid medical >>> >> reason is. In this country, we have always allowed an >>> >> individual to discuss and evaluate medical treatments with >>> >> their doctor and their family and then make their own >>> >> decision. The individual’s determination of necessity for a >>> >> medical treatment may vary from person to person. Their >>> >> perception of risk of treatment versus reward of not getting >>> >> sick is not the same for every instance. Most people are >>> >> pretty smart and will make decision in the best interest of >>> >> their situation. Are we now saying that the individual can >>> >> no longer make this determination? That people are not smart >>> >> enough to make the decision in their best interest? That >>> >> someone on an email list knows better than each individual >>> >> whether or not that individual should be taking any medical >>> >> treatment including a vaccination? I hope we are not moving >>> >> into an era in the country where people decide for others >>> >> whether or not they should take any medical treatment, >>> >> especially when we are talking about an experimental >>> >> vaccine. If we are suggesting that the group can now make >>> >> decisions for mandatory medical procedures, that is a pretty >>> >> slippery slope. I believe in the good of people and their >>> >> ability to make a good decision when they have enough facts. >>> I suspect most unvaccinated folks will eventually have enough >>> >> data to determine they are ready to be vaccinated. >>> >> >>> >> Again, and I can’t say this enough, if a person is vaccinated >>> >> and they believe the vaccine works, why are they concerned >>> >> that others are not vaccinated. The only people at risk are >>> >> those who have decided not to be vaccinated and they have >>> >> accepted that risk. >>> >> >>> >> *From:* AF <[email protected] >>> >> <mailto:[email protected]>> *On Behalf Of * Robert >>> >> *Sent:* Friday, July 23, 2021 8:53 PM >>> >> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political >>> >> >>> >> David, >>> >> Do you have any research of the percentage of people who >>> >> "have a valid medical reason" for not taking the vaccine? I >>> >> don't imagine it's anywhere near the 45% of the US population >>> >> the is refusing that are not below the current age limit. I >>> >> would WAG that it's probably a lot less than the 20% number >>> >> not taking it that would get us to effective herd immunity. >>> >> >>> >> Now the kids are getting it and that we don't have a solution >>> >> for. >>> >> >>> >> On 7/23/21 4:20 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: >>> >> >>> >> AIDS was / Is 100% avoidable. COVID is like someone with >>> >> AIDS spraying you down with their precious bodily fluids >>> >> by sneezing. People have been prosecuted for infecting >>> >> others with AIDS. Why not COVID? If you don’t want the >>> >> vax, fine but you need a full body condom if you come >>> >> within 100’ of another person. >>> >> >>> >> Sent from my iPhone >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Jul 23, 2021, at 4:24 PM, David Coudron >>> >> <[email protected]> >>> >> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> There are valid reasons for deciding to take this >>> >> vaccine, the shingles vaccine, the flu vaccine, or a >>> >> myriad of other medications. Each decision should be >>> >> based on risk/reward of that drug and the medical >>> >> condition being treated. To think that you know >>> >> everyone’s medical situation better than they do >>> >> doesn’t seem very feasible and awfully presumptive. >>> To call them selfish for making a decision they >>> >> believe is in their best medical interest seems overly >>> >> judgmental. Yes, there are people are deciding not to >>> >> take it simply because they think they shouldn’t be >>> >> forced to take a medical treatment against their >>> >> will. You may feel that we should force them to take >>> >> the treatment for the better good. I doubt you would >>> >> feel the same about mandatory castration of young men >>> >> to curb overcrowding of the earth. Obviously there >>> >> is a line somewhere about forced treatment for the >>> >> greater good. I am not attempting to determine where >>> >> that line is, only suggesting that folks have valid >>> >> medical reasons for not deciding to take the vaccine >>> >> and they shouldn’t be publicly shamed for making that >>> >> decision. It doesn’t seem that far fetched, but I am >>> >> learning I see things differently than some other >>> >> folks. So be it. >>> >> >>> >> I love the argument that we have to get vaccinated, >>> >> but we still have to act like the vaccine doesn’t work >>> >> in order to save the human race. Seems like a >>> >> disconnect there. >>> >> >>> >> If we were really so worried about infecting others or >>> >> causing harm to others, we would avoid all other >>> >> activities that create risk for others. We’d never >>> >> drive a car, much less have a beer and get in a car. >>> I doubt that very many of us on this list can say >>> >> that. We would never allow the sale of fatty foods. >>> We would force each and everyone to get to a body mass >>> >> within our accepted range. Keep in mind life is >>> >> risky. We don’t need to do stupid things, but being >>> >> alive carries with it the risk of dying. We are all >>> >> much more likely to die of heart disease, stroke >>> >> related illness, or cancer than we are of Covid. >>> Those are just the facts. Many folks make small >>> >> adjustments to reduce the risk of those likely causes >>> >> of mortality, but have long ago passed on decisions to >>> >> make big changes to eliminate the possibility of those >>> >> causes of death. >>> >> >>> >> I have long ago decided not to live in constant fear >>> >> of these things. While I chose to be vaccinated, I >>> >> respect the right of folks to make the best choice for >>> >> their situation. I also respect the right of someone >>> >> who is not in the best physical condition to eat a >>> >> steak. I realize that a drunk driver might kill me >>> >> some day, but I respect the right of individuals to go >>> >> to a bar and expect that most (but not all) are >>> >> responsible enough not to drink and drive when they >>> >> have had too much. >>> >> >>> >> Keep in mind that this virus would have never come to >>> >> our country if we never allowed anyone in or out of >>> >> it. But we understand that certain personal freedoms >>> >> are worth the possibility of catching a disease that >>> >> might kill us. I have a tough time with the mass >>> >> hypochondria surrounding this situation. >>> >> >>> >> Sorry, I am not meaning to make anyone mad, just >>> >> trying to keep perspective. I just don’t >>> >> understand why folks get so bent out of shape if they >>> >> are already vaccinated. I guess they don’t believe >>> >> the vaccine will work because if it does, there is >>> >> nothing to worry about. >>> >> >>> >> I wager that given Covid’s relation to influenza like >>> >> viruses, that it is with us permanently. We will >>> >> have yearly updates to the vaccination, but we’ll >>> >> never be rid of it. Not because people aren’t >>> >> getting vaccinated, but because it will always mutate >>> >> ahead of the vaccine, just like the flu virus. >>> Please don’t take this as an argument to not work on >>> >> vaccines, we absolutely should as it will save >>> >> lives. But as Carl pointed out below, vaccines >>> >> aren’t 100% effective……. 😊 >>> >> >>> >> I will lay a friendly wager down. Remember, we had a >>> >> AIDS epidemic several years ago. Did we force people >>> >> to stop having sex or many of the other high risk >>> >> things that led to AIDS? Does anyone even talk about >>> >> AIDS anymore? 32 million people died of AIDS and >>> >> people still die from it. No one talks about it any >>> >> more. Covid will be the same way in 10 years. That >>> >> is my bet. >>> >> >>> >> Again, lots of stuff to poke holes in here I am >>> >> sure. My only original point was that there are >>> >> valid reasons folks chose not to get vaccinated. We >>> >> can’t and shouldn’t know what they are, but should >>> >> respect their right to chose. >>> >> >>> >> *From:* AF <[email protected]> >>> >> <mailto:[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Carl >>> >> Peterson >>> >> *Sent:* Friday, July3, 2021 4:30 PM >>> >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> >> <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> >>> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political >>> >> >>> >> No vaccination is 100% effective. From a public >>> >> policy perspective, you need to pull on the levers >>> >> that work in order to get R0 to be less than 1. We >>> >> know that a good percentage of people will follow a >>> >> mask mandate. Even if most of that group is >>> >> vaccinated that lever will still do something since no >>> >> vaccine is 100% effective and some number of that >>> >> population is walking around as symptom-free carriers >>> >> at any given time. >>> >> >>> >> Getting most people vaccinated would be the best way >>> >> to lower R0, but if someone is too self centered to >>> >> care about their neighbors or their country there >>> >> isn't much you can do to make them care. That lever >>> >> isn't doing much these days. The issue here really is >>> >> about what is best for society vs what an individual >>> >> thinks is best for themselves. An individual's >>> >> personal risk of having serious Covid complications is >>> >> pretty low so if they believe there is some risk to >>> >> the vaccine and don't account for externalities, e.g. >>> >> them infecting other people, then it's hard to >>> >> convince them to get vaccinated. >>> >> >>> >> On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 4:05 PM Dennis Burgess >>> >> <[email protected] >>> >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Why does someone who has made an informed choice >>> >> not to get vaxxed by a NON-FDA approved drug have >>> >> not sit out in timeout? This is a free society, >>> >> if you are so scared, you stay home. I will take >>> >> my chances. >>> >> >>> >> *<image001.png>* >>> >> >>> >> *Dennis Burgess* >>> >> >>> >> * >>> >> *Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” >>> >> >>> >> *Link Technologies, Inc*-- Mikrotik & WISP Support >>> >> Services >>> >> >>> >> *Office*: 314-735-0270 Website: >>> >> http://www.linktechs.net < >>> http://www.linktechs.net/> >>> >> >>> >> Create Wireless Coverage’s with >>> >> www.towercoverage.com < >>> http://www.towercoverage.com> >>> >> >>> >> Need MikroTik Cloud Management: >>> >> https://cloud.linktechs.net >>> >> >>> >> *From:* AF <[email protected] >>> >> <mailto:[email protected]>> *On Behalf Of >>> >> *Jan-GAMs >>> >> *Sent:* Friday, July 23, 2021 3:32 PM >>> >> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political >>> >> >>> >> There is no having a sane discussion on this >>> >> topic. This is more like a whining child having >>> >> an open temper-tantrum in public. Un-vaxxed >>> >> persons are a health hazard and attempting to >>> >> explain this to a child is a bit difficult. Those >>> >> who don't have a vaccine should not be allowed in >>> >> public. Every time a non-vaxxed person gets sick >>> >> with Covid there is the potential for a new >>> >> variant even worse than the Delta variant. >>> >> Un-vaxxed persons should be quarrantined as they >>> >> are a health-hazard to everyone around them and to >>> >> the public at large. >>> >> >>> >> On 7/23/21 1:11 PM, David Coudron wrote: >>> >> >>> >> I know, we can all make our own decisions. >>> >> However, I don’t believe I have stated >>> >> anything that varies from the facts. I can >>> >> send you the Moderna sheet I received with my >>> >> vaccine if you want to see that. >>> >> >>> >> Your points about FDA approval are probably >>> >> accurate, however, why is not OK to say that I >>> >> want to wait for the approval? That doesn’t >>> >> seem so unreasonable. We don’t let folks on >>> >> the plane based on the likelihood that those >>> >> on the no-fly list probably won’t show up to >>> >> get on the plane anyway. We still check each >>> >> and every person to make sure. Just like we >>> >> do the FDA approval process to make sure. >>> Otherwise, we could just tell drug companies >>> >> “if you are pretty sure you’d pass anyway, we >>> >> won’t bother putting you through the approval >>> >> process” We don’t do that for good reason. >>> >> >>> >> I agree with you on the memes both ways. >>> >> Neither approach are helping the situation. >>> It should be a discussion based upon the >>> >> scientific merits of the situation. >>> Unfortunately both side love to poke at the >>> >> intelligence of those that don’t agree with >>> >> their decision. >>> >> >>> >> There is no way to know this for sure, but I >>> >> wonder how many folks publicly shaming others >>> >> for not taking the vaccine know that it is not >>> >> FDA approved? >>> >> >>> >> Likely won’t change lots of folks decisions, >>> >> nor am I suggesting it should have. But I >>> >> don’t think that those of us that decided to >>> >> go ahead with the vaccination get to make >>> >> medical decisions for those who aren’t >>> >> comfortable with an experimental vaccine. >>> >> >>> >> *From:* AF <[email protected]> >>> >> <mailto:[email protected]> *On Behalf Of >>> >> *Adam Moffett >>> >> *Sent:* Friday, July 23, 2021 2:56 PM >>> >> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political >>> >> >>> >> I'm not calling anybody stupid, but I don't >>> >> agree with most of your list. >>> >> >>> >> On 7/23/2021 3:37 PM, David Coudron wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Here is what I find particularly >>> >> challenging about suggesting that folks >>> >> who have chosen not to take the vaccine >>> >> are not that smart. >>> >> >>> >> 1. Folks who do that never talk about >>> >> that fact that this is not an FDA >>> >> approved medicine/vaccine. I took >>> >> the Moderna vaccine, the paperwork >>> >> clearly stated several facts. Among >>> >> them are: >>> >> >>> >> 1. This is not FDA approved. >>> >> >>> >> It has an emergency use authorization. FDA >>> >> approval takes a long time, but around 90% of >>> >> the submissions end up approved because they >>> >> are pretty well tested by the manufacturer >>> >> before they apply. Anybody applying for FDA >>> >> approval already has a pretty good idea >>> >> whether it's going to go through or not. >>> Presumably people on a no-fly list don't >>> >> routinely show up at the airport expecting to >>> >> board a plane. Presumably people don't try to >>> >> get a CDL if they know they'll fail the drug >>> >> test. Same idea. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> 1. >>> >> 2. This “vaccine” has not been proven >>> >> to prevent the virus. While we >>> >> likely all agree that there is a >>> >> very good likelihood that this >>> >> “vaccine” will help prevent it, it >>> >> is far from a proven fact. >>> >> >>> >> 99% of people dying of Covid right now are >>> >> un-vaccinated. We can split hairs and say >>> >> maybe it didn't prevent them from becoming >>> >> infected, but it clearly prevents them from >>> dying. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> 1. >>> >> >>> >> 1. The argument is, “there should be no >>> >> reason to think this vaccine isn’t >>> >> safe since people aren’t dying from >>> >> taking the vaccine”. >>> >> >>> >> I've never heard such an argument. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> 1. Vaccines are a risk/reward type of >>> >> medical treatment. Every medicine you >>> >> take has some level of side effect. >>> >> The vast majority of medicines have >>> >> such negligible side effects, that >>> >> they are considered completely safe. >>> >> The FDA approval process exists to >>> >> ensure we understand the potential of >>> >> serious side effects and drug >>> >> interaction issues. If you are 30 >>> >> years old and folks are saying you >>> >> have to take this experimental drug to >>> >> prevent this incredibly small chance >>> >> of you becoming seriously ill or >>> >> dying, it seems like an intelligent >>> >> thing to say “I am not sure the risk >>> >> of getting seriously ill or dying from >>> >> this disease outweighs the risk of >>> >> using an experimental drug”. It used >>> >> to be that people relied upon a >>> >> conversation with their doctor to >>> >> determine personal risk of disease and >>> >> use of a drug. Apparently we no longer >>> >> do that. We publicly shame people >>> >> into using experimental drugs. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> 1. Since it is not FDA approved, we don’t >>> >> have a full understanding of drug >>> >> interactions with other medicines >>> >> folks need to take. >>> >> >>> >> It isn't some weird new chemical we just >>> >> invented this year. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> 1. We likely understand the very common >>> >> medicines, but, certainly not all. >>> We have FDA approval processes for >>> >> good reason. If for example, you >>> >> were under 40 and were taking seizure >>> >> control medication, it would be very >>> >> fair to hold off on an experimental >>> >> drug until it is fully understood if >>> >> the vaccine might lessen the >>> >> effectiveness of the seizure control >>> >> medication. An incredibly low risk >>> >> of serious illness or death from the >>> >> virus could turn into a good chance of >>> >> serious injury from seizure. As far >>> >> as I know data like that is certainly >>> >> not available yet. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> 1. Why do vaccinated people feel the need >>> >> to belittle those that have decided >>> >> not to get vaccinated by an >>> >> experimental drug? >>> >> >>> >> I don't know the answer to that. I'm not >>> >> comfortable with that behavior either. It >>> >> goes both ways though. 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