Porsche, Toyota, and Honda often hit 1 million miles in their gas vehicles. That's honestly nothing new at all.
>We are still in the rapid evolution of this type of transportation. By 2025, I expect it to be a whole new world. People said the same thing 5 years ago and 5 years before that. Tesla started in 2003 with their first "in house" car in 2012. I think with Ford and Chevy going big into the EV market, things might actually start charging, but I don't see things being all that different in 3 years. The F150 lightning looks pretty sweet, but there's no way I'm going to pay more for a vehicle only to be inconvenienced in the long run (long distance trips). On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 3:13 PM Bill Prince <[email protected]> wrote: > Also consider that the single largest cost for an EV is the > batter/y(ies). The cost of Lithium batteries (especially LFP) have > dropped by over 50% in the last few years. > > Tesla (at least) is looking for motors to go a million miles. You might > be able to get that kind of longevity out of a diesel motor, but it will > require vastly more maintenance. > > We are still in the rapid evolution of this type of transportation. By > 2025, I expect it to be a whole new world. > > > bp > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > On 2/14/2022 11:46 AM, Robert Andrews wrote: > > If you are doing a 300 mile trip, your stop at a supercharger for a > > Model Y would be about 10 minutes to add another 150 miles, so that's > > not bad when you would be stopping at a gas station for 10 minutes as > > well. ( I haven't ever gotten out and put even 10 gallons in in less > > that 7 minutes with using the card and all that, you don't do any of > > that at a supercharger ) As far as towing is going, I think you will > > see more and more of the Electric Airstream campers coming down the > > road that have electric assist, to remove the range losses. There > > are used EV's on the market and the only reason the prices are high is > > because the demand is there, the prices will drop as more used ones > > hit the market, but they will come with reduced range, which is a loss > > and a gain because the rest of the drivetrain will have a lot more use > > than a 60K+ ICE vehicle... So the only takeaway is that it's still a > > rapidly evolving market, but the ICE builders already see the writing > > on the wall.... New teslas come with integrated battery packs which I > > think is going to be a problem in the future, but I am not going to be > > the one dealing with that... > > > > On 2/14/22 11:15, Brian Webster wrote: > >> Living in rural America I am not a fan of the range limitations. For > >> me it's not uncommon to have to take a trip 60 to 90 miles in one > >> direction and then back in the same day. It's also not uncommon to > >> want to take a trip and covers 300 or more miles in that day on the > >> long trip. I do not want to be limited to 250 miles before I have to > >> stop for an extended period to recharge. Personally that is a serious > >> limit on my personal freedom of movement. For instance it's not > >> uncommon for spring or winter breaks to drive from upstate NY to > >> Florida in a single 24 hour period. When you only have a week for > >> vacation tag team driving to get there with a carload of people is > >> still cheaper than try to fly everyone. Also the restriction of being > >> able to haul larger loads similarly are a big limitation. Having a 27 > >> foot camper to load the family up and take a vacation is not possible > >> with the current availability of EV's out there. > >> > >> Let's also consider the other elephant in the roof, the actual cost > >> of the vehicles. New car prices are outrageous. Personally I like to > >> buy used vehicles with higher mileage and typically pay less than 10 > >> grand(usually a lot less) and pay cash for them. I haven't had a car > >> payment in over 15 years and do not want to be forced in to having to > >> do so. With getting closer to retirement age every year, I do not > >> want to be forced in to incurring debt. For me the goal is to be debt > >> free, not have to fork over 30 grand or more just to be able to > >> continue to transport myself around. People making decisions like no > >> more gas engines for lawn mowers and such, they tend to live in some > >> sort of state of constant debt, if they are in government they have > >> no concept of not being in debt. Most will think I am crazy for > >> thinking this way because society just wants to accept that debt is a > >> necessary way of life. That debt for purchasing and converting to > >> EV's and getting away from fossil fuels is in my mind not being > >> fairly considered in the process. > >> > >> Thank you, > >> Brian Webster > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: AF [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews > >> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 1:49 PM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers > >> > >> There are also a bunch of real life tests published on Youtube. Seems > >> like everyone in the cold wanted to either brag or complain... > >> > >> On 2/14/22 09:56, [email protected] wrote: > >>> Since a lot of you guys seem to have first hand experience with the > >>> EV’s > >>> Ill ask. How do they do on range in cold environments? We have often > >>> wondered how they heat the inside of the vehicle in -10F and how it > >>> affects the range of the vehicle. Those temps are common for us in > >>> January and February. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> Brandon > >>> > >>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince > >>> *Sent:* Monday, February 14, 2022 11:15 AM > >>> *To:* [email protected] > >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers > >>> > >>> It's not thye electric motors that are at fault. Once the battery tech > >>> gets sorted out, there will be no good reason to use dino-fuel. > >>> > >>> bp > >>> > >>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > >>> > >>> On 2/14/2022 9:11 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > >>> > >>> Sure, but efficiency isn't everything. Fortunately, EVs are also > >>> better at torque than diesel and gasoline. > >>> > >>> Where they don't shine is range when actually working. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- > >>> Mike Hammett > >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>< > https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>< > https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>< > https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>< > https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>< > https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > >>> > >>> > >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> > >>> > >>> *From: *"Bill Prince" <[email protected]> > >>> <mailto:[email protected]> > >>> *To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >>> *Sent: *Monday, February 14, 2022 11:06:28 AM > >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers > >>> > >>> It's approximately 33 KWH of electricity is equivalent to 1 gallon > >>> of gasoline (probably less for diesel), so EVs with 60-80 KWH > >>> batteries are running a couple hundred miles (or more) on the > >>> rough > >>> equivalent of < 3 gallons of gas. > >>> > >>> bp > >>> > >>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > >>> > >>> On 2/14/2022 8:20 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > >>> > >>> The funny thing is that while diesel has superior > >>> performance to > >>> gasoline in many ways, EVs have superior performance to diesel > >>> in many ways. > >>> > >>> Kinda ironic... > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- > >>> Mike Hammett > >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>< > https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>< > https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>< > https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>< > https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>< > https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > >>> > >>> > >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> > >>> > >>> *From: *"Bill Prince" <[email protected]> > >>> <mailto:[email protected]> > >>> *To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >>> *Sent: *Monday, February 14, 2022 9:46:36 AM > >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers > >>> > >>> It's called "rolling coal", and it is all the rage for people > >>> who think EVs are the devil's spawn. > >>> > >>> bp > >>> > >>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > >>> > >>> On 2/14/2022 6:38 AM, Jan-GAMs wrote: > >>> > >>> In the past year I've observed that agressive driving > >>> seems > >>> to be the norm now. More assholes, especially pickups > >>> using > >>> farm diesel (black-foul-smelling-smoke). I been > >>> thinking of > >>> investing in a stash of bumper stickers to stick on their > >>> trucks that says "shoot me please". > >>> > >>> On 2/13/22 12:28, Steve Jones wrote: > >>> > >>> Its possible that with the lower threshold more folks > >>> were able to be arrested before they couldgo fora > >>> croaker cruise. > >>> > >>> Its more probable though that ride sharing grew during > >>> that period and the generation of party drinkers > >>> used it > >>> more as a matter of trend. > >>> > >>> Drinking establishments being closed or otherwise > >>> inaccessible due to the rona too probably playeda huge > >>> role, like the seeming disappearance of flu. > >>> > >>> On Sun, Feb 13, 2022, 1:33 PM Chuck McCown via AF > >>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >>> > >>> During Covid, in Utah, there have been the highest > >>> rate of deaths ever recorded due to car crashes. > >>> > >>> Meanwhile, at approximately the same time another > >>> experiment was running. > >>> > >>> Late 2018 Utah lowered the blood alcohol level for > >>> driving from .08 to .05%. > >>> > >>> Many, including myself, figured that there > >>> would not > >>> be a significant difference. > >>> > >>> But I also commented at the time that this one > >>> will > >>> be easy to prove or disprove. > >>> > >>> Deaths and crashes linked to drunken driving > >>> dropped > >>> by 19.8% since the law took effect. 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