My half century old chevy truck has over 400k on it. My jeep suv has
almost 300k on and ditto for our honda station-wagon.
On 2/14/22 12:16, Josh Luthman wrote:
Porsche, Toyota, and Honda often hit 1 million miles in their gas
vehicles. That's honestly nothing new at all.
>We are still in the rapid evolution of this type of transportation.
By 2025, I expect it to be a whole new world.
People said the same thing 5 years ago and 5 years before that. Tesla
started in 2003 with their first "in house" car in 2012. I think with
Ford and Chevy going big into the EV market, things might actually
start charging, but I don't see things being all that different in 3
years. The F150 lightning looks pretty sweet, but there's no way I'm
going to pay more for a vehicle only to be inconvenienced in the long
run (long distance trips).
On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 3:13 PM Bill Prince <[email protected]> wrote:
Also consider that the single largest cost for an EV is the
batter/y(ies). The cost of Lithium batteries (especially LFP) have
dropped by over 50% in the last few years.
Tesla (at least) is looking for motors to go a million miles. You
might
be able to get that kind of longevity out of a diesel motor, but
it will
require vastly more maintenance.
We are still in the rapid evolution of this type of
transportation. By
2025, I expect it to be a whole new world.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 2/14/2022 11:46 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
> If you are doing a 300 mile trip, your stop at a supercharger for a
> Model Y would be about 10 minutes to add another 150 miles, so
that's
> not bad when you would be stopping at a gas station for 10
minutes as
> well. ( I haven't ever gotten out and put even 10 gallons in in
less
> that 7 minutes with using the card and all that, you don't do
any of
> that at a supercharger ) As far as towing is going, I think
you will
> see more and more of the Electric Airstream campers coming down the
> road that have electric assist, to remove the range losses. There
> are used EV's on the market and the only reason the prices are
high is
> because the demand is there, the prices will drop as more used ones
> hit the market, but they will come with reduced range, which is
a loss
> and a gain because the rest of the drivetrain will have a lot
more use
> than a 60K+ ICE vehicle... So the only takeaway is that it's
still a
> rapidly evolving market, but the ICE builders already see the
writing
> on the wall.... New teslas come with integrated battery packs
which I
> think is going to be a problem in the future, but I am not going
to be
> the one dealing with that...
>
> On 2/14/22 11:15, Brian Webster wrote:
>> Living in rural America I am not a fan of the range
limitations. For
>> me it's not uncommon to have to take a trip 60 to 90 miles in one
>> direction and then back in the same day. It's also not uncommon to
>> want to take a trip and covers 300 or more miles in that day on
the
>> long trip. I do not want to be limited to 250 miles before I
have to
>> stop for an extended period to recharge. Personally that is a
serious
>> limit on my personal freedom of movement. For instance it's not
>> uncommon for spring or winter breaks to drive from upstate NY to
>> Florida in a single 24 hour period. When you only have a week for
>> vacation tag team driving to get there with a carload of people is
>> still cheaper than try to fly everyone. Also the restriction of
being
>> able to haul larger loads similarly are a big limitation.
Having a 27
>> foot camper to load the family up and take a vacation is not
possible
>> with the current availability of EV's out there.
>>
>> Let's also consider the other elephant in the roof, the actual
cost
>> of the vehicles. New car prices are outrageous. Personally I
like to
>> buy used vehicles with higher mileage and typically pay less
than 10
>> grand(usually a lot less) and pay cash for them. I haven't had
a car
>> payment in over 15 years and do not want to be forced in to
having to
>> do so. With getting closer to retirement age every year, I do not
>> want to be forced in to incurring debt. For me the goal is to
be debt
>> free, not have to fork over 30 grand or more just to be able to
>> continue to transport myself around. People making decisions
like no
>> more gas engines for lawn mowers and such, they tend to live in
some
>> sort of state of constant debt, if they are in government they
have
>> no concept of not being in debt. Most will think I am crazy for
>> thinking this way because society just wants to accept that
debt is a
>> necessary way of life. That debt for purchasing and converting to
>> EV's and getting away from fossil fuels is in my mind not being
>> fairly considered in the process.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Brian Webster
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: AF [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Robert
Andrews
>> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 1:49 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers
>>
>> There are also a bunch of real life tests published on
Youtube. Seems
>> like everyone in the cold wanted to either brag or complain...
>>
>> On 2/14/22 09:56, [email protected] wrote:
>>> Since a lot of you guys seem to have first hand experience
with the
>>> EV’s
>>> Ill ask. How do they do on range in cold environments? We have
often
>>> wondered how they heat the inside of the vehicle in -10F and
how it
>>> affects the range of the vehicle. Those temps are common for us in
>>> January and February.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Brandon
>>>
>>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 14, 2022 11:15 AM
>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers
>>>
>>> It's not thye electric motors that are at fault. Once the
battery tech
>>> gets sorted out, there will be no good reason to use dino-fuel.
>>>
>>> bp
>>>
>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>
>>> On 2/14/2022 9:11 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>>
>>> Sure, but efficiency isn't everything. Fortunately, EVs
are also
>>> better at torque than diesel and gasoline.
>>>
>>> Where they don't shine is range when actually working.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>
<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
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>>>
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>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *"Bill Prince" <[email protected]>
>>> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>> *To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>> *Sent: *Monday, February 14, 2022 11:06:28 AM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers
>>>
>>> It's approximately 33 KWH of electricity is equivalent to
1 gallon
>>> of gasoline (probably less for diesel), so EVs with 60-80 KWH
>>> batteries are running a couple hundred miles (or more) on
the
>>> rough
>>> equivalent of < 3 gallons of gas.
>>>
>>> bp
>>>
>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>
>>> On 2/14/2022 8:20 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>>
>>> The funny thing is that while diesel has superior
>>> performance to
>>> gasoline in many ways, EVs have superior performance
to diesel
>>> in many ways.
>>>
>>> Kinda ironic...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>
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>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>
<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *"Bill Prince" <[email protected]>
>>> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>> *To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>> *Sent: *Monday, February 14, 2022 9:46:36 AM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers
>>>
>>> It's called "rolling coal", and it is all the rage
for people
>>> who think EVs are the devil's spawn.
>>>
>>> bp
>>>
>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>
>>> On 2/14/2022 6:38 AM, Jan-GAMs wrote:
>>>
>>> In the past year I've observed that agressive
driving
>>> seems
>>> to be the norm now. More assholes, especially
pickups
>>> using
>>> farm diesel (black-foul-smelling-smoke). I been
>>> thinking of
>>> investing in a stash of bumper stickers to stick
on their
>>> trucks that says "shoot me please".
>>>
>>> On 2/13/22 12:28, Steve Jones wrote:
>>>
>>> Its possible that with the lower threshold
more folks
>>> were able to be arrested before they couldgo fora
>>> croaker cruise.
>>>
>>> Its more probable though that ride sharing
grew during
>>> that period and the generation of party drinkers
>>> used it
>>> more as a matter of trend.
>>>
>>> Drinking establishments being closed or otherwise
>>> inaccessible due to the rona too probably
playeda huge
>>> role, like the seeming disappearance of flu.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 13, 2022, 1:33 PM Chuck McCown via AF
>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>
>>> During Covid, in Utah, there have been
the highest
>>> rate of deaths ever recorded due to car
crashes.
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, at approximately the same time
another
>>> experiment was running.
>>>
>>> Late 2018 Utah lowered the blood alcohol
level for
>>> driving from .08 to .05%.
>>>
>>> Many, including myself, figured that there
>>> would not
>>> be a significant difference.
>>>
>>> But I also commented at the time that
this one
>>> will
>>> be easy to prove or disprove.
>>>
>>> Deaths and crashes linked to drunken driving
>>> dropped
>>> by 19.8% since the law took effect. I
think one
>>> could say that is statistically significant.
>>> Glad I
>>> was wrong.
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