If you're doing 300-500 miles in a day regularly, an EV probably isn't
for you at this point. 1-2 times a year, plan your trip around
chargers and see the sites that happen to be around those chargers, or
rent a gas car.
But even now, I really don't think any of that would be a problem in,
say, a new Tesla Model S with 400 miles or range... Superchargers are
everywhere, and they really don't take that long. to go 500 miles in a
day, you'd probably be talking one 20 minute stop... that's basically
lunch.
On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 2:33 PM Josh Luthman
<[email protected]> wrote:
Sure, but let's say it's 1-2 times a year. What do you do if you
want to make that long trip?
I'm not saying you can't live with an EV, but doing 300-500 miles
in a day is certainly not uncommon (especially for me, I have the
data to back that up). If you only have an EV and you're limited
on routes, you're in a bind.
On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 3:20 PM Mathew Howard
<[email protected]> wrote:
The thing is, when you've been driving an EV for awhile, you
realize that (at least for most people) 200+ miles trips are
such a small percentage of driving, that never having to stop
at a gas station the rest of the time is a much bigger benefit.
On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 2:08 PM Josh Luthman
<[email protected]> wrote:
Who wants to charge their car every 90 minutes for 10
minutes at a time? Time to burn some dust, eat my rubber!
On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 2:48 PM Robert Andrews
<[email protected]> wrote:
If you are doing a 300 mile trip, your stop at a
supercharger for a
Model Y would be about 10 minutes to add another 150
miles, so that's
not bad when you would be stopping at a gas station
for 10 minutes as
well. ( I haven't ever gotten out and put even 10
gallons in in less
that 7 minutes with using the card and all that, you
don't do any of
that at a supercharger ) As far as towing is going,
I think you will
see more and more of the Electric Airstream campers
coming down the road
that have electric assist, to remove the range
losses. There are used
EV's on the market and the only reason the prices are
high is because
the demand is there, the prices will drop as more used
ones hit the
market, but they will come with reduced range, which
is a loss and a
gain because the rest of the drivetrain will have a
lot more use than a
60K+ ICE vehicle... So the only takeaway is that
it's still a rapidly
evolving market, but the ICE builders already see the
writing on the
wall.... New teslas come with integrated battery
packs which I think is
going to be a problem in the future, but I am not
going to be the one
dealing with that...
On 2/14/22 11:15, Brian Webster wrote:
> Living in rural America I am not a fan of the range
limitations. For me it's not uncommon to have to take
a trip 60 to 90 miles in one direction and then back
in the same day. It's also not uncommon to want to
take a trip and covers 300 or more miles in that day
on the long trip. I do not want to be limited to 250
miles before I have to stop for an extended period to
recharge. Personally that is a serious limit on my
personal freedom of movement. For instance it's not
uncommon for spring or winter breaks to drive from
upstate NY to Florida in a single 24 hour period. When
you only have a week for vacation tag team driving to
get there with a carload of people is still cheaper
than try to fly everyone. Also the restriction of
being able to haul larger loads similarly are a big
limitation. Having a 27 foot camper to load the family
up and take a vacation is not possible with the
current availability of EV's out there.
>
> Let's also consider the other elephant in the roof,
the actual cost of the vehicles. New car prices are
outrageous. Personally I like to buy used vehicles
with higher mileage and typically pay less than 10
grand(usually a lot less) and pay cash for them. I
haven't had a car payment in over 15 years and do not
want to be forced in to having to do so. With getting
closer to retirement age every year, I do not want to
be forced in to incurring debt. For me the goal is to
be debt free, not have to fork over 30 grand or more
just to be able to continue to transport myself
around. People making decisions like no more gas
engines for lawn mowers and such, they tend to live in
some sort of state of constant debt, if they are in
government they have no concept of not being in debt.
Most will think I am crazy for thinking this way
because society just wants to accept that debt is a
necessary way of life. That debt for purchasing and
converting to EV's and getting away from fossil fuels
is in my mind not being fairly considered in the process.
>
> Thank you,
> Brian Webster
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AF [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of Robert Andrews
> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 1:49 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers
>
> There are also a bunch of real life tests published
on Youtube. Seems
> like everyone in the cold wanted to either brag or
complain...
>
> On 2/14/22 09:56, [email protected] wrote:
>> Since a lot of you guys seem to have first hand
experience with the EV’s
>> Ill ask. How do they do on range in cold
environments? We have often
>> wondered how they heat the inside of the vehicle in
-10F and how it
>> affects the range of the vehicle. Those temps are
common for us in
>> January and February.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brandon
>>
>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of
*Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 14, 2022 11:15 AM
>> *To:* [email protected]
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers
>>
>> It's not thye electric motors that are at fault.
Once the battery tech
>> gets sorted out, there will be no good reason to
use dino-fuel.
>>
>> bp
>>
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>> On 2/14/2022 9:11 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
>> Sure, but efficiency isn't everything.
Fortunately, EVs are also
>> better at torque than diesel and gasoline.
>>
>> Where they don't shine is range when actually
working.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
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<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>>
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>
>>
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>>
>> *From: *"Bill Prince" <[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]>
>> *To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>> *Sent: *Monday, February 14, 2022 11:06:28 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers
>>
>> It's approximately 33 KWH of electricity is
equivalent to 1 gallon
>> of gasoline (probably less for diesel), so EVs
with 60-80 KWH
>> batteries are running a couple hundred miles
(or more) on the rough
>> equivalent of < 3 gallons of gas.
>>
>> bp
>>
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>> On 2/14/2022 8:20 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
>> The funny thing is that while diesel has
superior performance to
>> gasoline in many ways, EVs have superior
performance to diesel
>> in many ways.
>>
>> Kinda ironic...
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
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>> The Brothers WISP
<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>>
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>
>>
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>>
>> *From: *"Bill Prince" <[email protected]>
>> <mailto:[email protected]>
>> *To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>> *Sent: *Monday, February 14, 2022 9:46:36 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers
>>
>> It's called "rolling coal", and it is all
the rage for people
>> who think EVs are the devil's spawn.
>>
>> bp
>>
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>> On 2/14/2022 6:38 AM, Jan-GAMs wrote:
>>
>> In the past year I've observed that
agressive driving seems
>> to be the norm now. More assholes,
especially pickups using
>> farm diesel
(black-foul-smelling-smoke). I been thinking of
>> investing in a stash of bumper
stickers to stick on their
>> trucks that says "shoot me please".
>>
>> On 2/13/22 12:28, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>> Its possible that with the lower
threshold more folks
>> were able to be arrested before
they couldgo fora
>> croaker cruise.
>>
>> Its more probable though that ride
sharing grew during
>> that period and the generation of
party drinkers used it
>> more as a matter of trend.
>>
>> Drinking establishments being
closed or otherwise
>> inaccessible due to the rona too
probably playeda huge
>> role, like the seeming
disappearance of flu.
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 13, 2022, 1:33 PM
Chuck McCown via AF
>> <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>> During Covid, in Utah, there
have been the highest
>> rate of deaths ever recorded
due to car crashes.
>>
>> Meanwhile, at approximately
the same time another
>> experiment was running.
>>
>> Late 2018 Utah lowered the
blood alcohol level for
>> driving from .08 to .05%.
>>
>> Many, including myself,
figured that there would not
>> be a significant difference.
>>
>> But I also commented at the
time that this one will
>> be easy to prove or disprove.
>>
>> Deaths and crashes linked to
drunken driving dropped
>> by 19.8% since the law took
effect. I think one
>> could say that is
statistically significant. Glad I
>> was wrong.
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