Make up a fake employee and get them certified. From: Sean Heskett Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 10:06 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown ; Josh Luthman Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: CBRS
The other gotcha is if someone changes their name (gets married/divorced etc) then all of a sudden clients start de-registering :-/ -Sean On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 9:22 AM Chuck McCown via AF <[email protected]> wrote: Been around FCC enforcement action for 40 years. Not likely to happen. First of all, how would anyone know to report you. Have to be a disgruntled former employee. Then what are they gonna do? Actually come visit and audit? I think it is very unlikely. Probably a phone call that you have been reported and you better clean up the database. Not like you are transmitting in the DFS band or something. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 9:02 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: CBRS >Kinda like signalling when there is no one else on the road. Or stopping at a red light in the middle of the night. It's this. If you aren't caught it's no problem. If you are caught, something bad "could" happen. On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 10:56 AM Chuck McCown via AF <[email protected]> wrote: So, why would you reregister? Not asking about your scruples or the reason for registration in the first place. But as a practical issue, nothing bad will happen if the CPE moves will it? It does not self report position does it? Kinda like signalling when there is no one else on the road. Or stopping at a red light in the middle of the night. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 8:47 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: CBRS If it's registered and good..leave it alone. If it needs re registered, like it moves on the house or to a different house you'll just need that new CPI guy to do it. On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 10:19 AM <[email protected]> wrote: That’s fine, but what if I leave the company and let my certification expire? Does another employee have to re-enter the CPE into the SAS? -Adam From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 9:51 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: CBRS Just recertify, you have to have someone on staff with it. On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 9:05 AM <[email protected]> wrote: Interesting. I hadn’t thought about what happens when a certification expires. That will be a rude shock if it works that way. From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2022 8:35 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: CBRS If a cpi leaves and doesnt keep renewing then one day everybody disconnects. 5 yeats comes quick On Tue, Feb 15, 2022, 12:42 PM Mathew Howard <[email protected]> wrote: It kind of makes sense, because a CPI is really just supposed to be verifying that the install was done correctly. If somebody goes and messes with it later on, you can't really hold the CPI responsible for that, so there theoretically shouldn't be any ongoing liability, as long as you did the job right in the first place. There's less incentive for an employee to make sure they did everything right, if they aren't personally responsible for it. A CPI leaving the company shouldn't really have any impact on any existing CBSD's... I would think the CPI could even be a contractor, but I never actually took the CPI course, so I could be wrong... On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 11:46 AM Steve Jones <[email protected]> wrote: I was hoping they had changed that dumb rule On Tue, Feb 15, 2022, 10:28 AM <[email protected]> wrote: Exactly. They made a big point of the fact that you are personally responsible for accuracy of the data you put in. Not sure how a company CPI would fit with that. -Adam From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2022 10:35 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: CBRS I mean I did and I'm horrible at tests. I did the Google test at Coursera. There simply can't and won't be a company CPI. If you leave the company then the company needs to recertify. On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 10:30 AM Steve Jones <[email protected]> wrote: Were any of us really absorbing all that much when we did CPI? It was new, half of it wasnt even finalized, the course was too long and dry for the small volume of info. speaking of CPI, have they created a company CPI yet? ours is my name and if I transition from employee to contractor Im curious how that impacts the registered CBSDs On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 8:49 AM Josh Luthman <[email protected]> wrote: It's like 90% of the class for your CPI, I mean clearly you weren't paying attention :P The requirement is to report the height and position. Every time. Every CPE, every AP. If it's operating under your NN license, which is almost certainly expired, you're operating illegally. If you're operating under CBRS it requires you to report every CPE. On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 7:55 AM Andy Trimmell <[email protected]> wrote: I’m sitting here wondering how I missed this in CPI training. I believed that what was supposed to be “registered” was a CBSD which had specific height requirements and type which these units aren’t exceeding these specifications. Yes the product is Baicells. Anyone else here that uses Baicells gone down this road too with a similar assumption? From: AF [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 4:35 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: CBRS With Baicells LTE it's possible to leave the CPE in non-CBRS mode (either by not enabling it, or by just never upgrading the firmware to the CBRS capable version), and they'll connect to a CBRS eNB just fine... I wouldn't be surprised if that's true for some of the other LTE products too. On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 3:23 PM <[email protected]> wrote: Well it occurred to me that I’m thinking of Cambium 450 which forces you to play by the rules by disabling bridging until the CPE is authorized by the SAS. Maybe Andy has a different product that works differently. ….but yeah all fixed CPE are supposed to be in the SAS. I think mobile devices don’t need to be registered. Since Andy mentioned eNB I’m guessing maybe he’s got an LTE product, and maybe the vendor allows you to pretend the UE are all mobile? From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 4:16 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: CBRS Yeah, if they're still running without being registered, you've got some problems that need fixing... On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 3:09 PM <[email protected]> wrote: If you’re using CBRS then your CPE can’t connect at all if it’s not registered with the SAS. It literally won’t connect. I think you may be stuck in another time period. From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Andy Trimmell Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 4:05 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [AFMUG] OT: CBRS Do all of you individually register your CPEs? I just got an email out of the blue telling me I need to register each one of the CPEs that are connected to my eNBs. 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