Make up a fake employee and get them certified.
*From:* Sean Heskett
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 16, 2022 10:06 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Cc:* Chuck McCown ; Josh Luthman
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: CBRS
The other gotcha is if someone changes their name (gets
married/divorced etc) then all of a sudden clients start
de-registering :-/
-Sean
On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 9:22 AM Chuck McCown via AF <[email protected]>
wrote:
Been around FCC enforcement action for 40 years. Not likely to
happen. First of all, how would anyone know to report you. Have
to be a disgruntled former employee. Then what are they gonna
do? Actually come visit and audit? I think it is very unlikely.
Probably a phone call that you have been reported and you better
clean up the database. Not like you are transmitting in the DFS
band or something.
*From:* Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 16, 2022 9:02 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Cc:* Chuck McCown
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: CBRS
>Kinda like signalling when there is no one else on the road. Or
stopping at a red light in the middle of the night.
It's this. If you aren't caught it's no problem. If you are
caught, something bad "could" happen.
On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 10:56 AM Chuck McCown via AF
<[email protected]> wrote:
So, why would you reregister? Not asking about your scruples
or the reason for registration in the first place. But as a
practical issue, nothing bad will happen if the CPE moves will
it? It does not self report position does it? Kinda like
signalling when there is no one else on the road. Or stopping
at a red light in the middle of the night.
*From:* Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 16, 2022 8:47 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: CBRS
If it's registered and good..leave it alone.
If it needs re registered, like it moves on the house or to a
different house you'll just need that new CPI guy to do it.
On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 10:19 AM <[email protected]> wrote:
That’s fine, but what if I leave the company and let my
certification expire? Does another employee have to
re-enter the CPE into the SAS?
-Adam
*From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Josh
Luthman
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 16, 2022 9:51 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: CBRS
Just recertify, you have to have someone on staff with it.
On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 9:05 AM <[email protected]> wrote:
Interesting. I hadn’t thought about what happens when
a certification expires. That will be a rude shock if
it works that way.
*From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of
*Steve Jones
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 15, 2022 8:35 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: CBRS
If a cpi leaves and doesnt keep renewing then one day
everybody disconnects. 5 yeats comes quick
On Tue, Feb 15, 2022, 12:42 PM Mathew Howard
<[email protected]> wrote:
It kind of makes sense, because a CPI is really
just supposed to be verifying that the install was
done correctly. If somebody goes and messes with
it later on, you can't really hold the CPI
responsible for that, so there theoretically
shouldn't be any ongoing liability, as long as you
did the job right in the first place. There's less
incentive for an employee to make sure they did
everything right, if they aren't personally
responsible for it.
A CPI leaving the company shouldn't really have
any impact on any existing CBSD's... I would think
the CPI could even be a contractor, but I never
actually took the CPI course, so I could be wrong...
On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 11:46 AM Steve Jones
<[email protected]> wrote:
I was hoping they had changed that dumb rule
On Tue, Feb 15, 2022, 10:28 AM
<[email protected]> wrote:
Exactly. They made a big point of the fact
that you are personally responsible for
accuracy of the data you put in. Not sure
how a company CPI would fit with that.
-Adam
*From:* AF <[email protected]> *On
Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 15, 2022 10:35 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
<[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: CBRS
I mean I did and I'm horrible at tests. I
did the Google test at Coursera.
There simply can't and won't be a company
CPI. If you leave the company then the
company needs to recertify.
On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 10:30 AM Steve
Jones <[email protected]> wrote:
Were any of us really absorbing all
that much when we did CPI? It was new,
half of it wasnt even finalized, the
course was too long and dry for the
small volume of info.
speaking of CPI, have they created a
company CPI yet? ours is my name and
if I transition from employee to
contractor Im curious how that impacts
the registered CBSDs
On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 8:49 AM Josh
Luthman <[email protected]>
wrote:
It's like 90% of the class for
your CPI, I mean clearly you
weren't paying attention :P The
requirement is to report the
height and position. Every time.
Every CPE, every AP.
If it's operating under your NN
license, which is almost certainly
expired, you're operating illegally.
If you're operating under CBRS it
requires you to report every CPE.
On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 7:55 AM
Andy Trimmell
<[email protected]> wrote:
I’m sitting here wondering how
I missed this in CPI training.
I believed that what was
supposed to be “registered”
was a CBSD which had specific
height requirements and type
which these units aren’t
exceeding these
specifications. Yes the
product is Baicells.
Anyone else here that uses
Baicells gone down this road
too with a similar assumption?
*From:*AF
[mailto:[email protected]]
*On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Monday, February 14,
2022 4:35 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave
Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: CBRS
With Baicells LTE it's
possible to leave the CPE in
non-CBRS mode (either by not
enabling it, or by just never
upgrading the firmware to the
CBRS capable version), and
they'll connect to a CBRS eNB
just fine... I wouldn't be
surprised if that's true for
some of the other LTE products
too.
On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 3:23
PM <[email protected]> wrote:
Well it occurred to me
that I’m thinking of
Cambium 450 which forces
you to play by the rules
by disabling bridging
until the CPE is
authorized by the SAS.
Maybe Andy has a different
product that works
differently.
….but yeah all fixed CPE
are supposed to be in the SAS.
I think mobile devices
don’t need to be
registered. Since Andy
mentioned eNB I’m guessing
maybe he’s got an LTE
product, and maybe the
vendor allows you to
pretend the UE are all
mobile?
*From:* AF
<[email protected]>
*On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Monday, February
14, 2022 4:16 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave
Users Group <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT:
CBRS
Yeah, if they're still
running without being
registered, you've got
some problems that need
fixing...
On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at
3:09 PM
<[email protected]> wrote:
If you’re using CBRS
then your CPE can’t
connect at all if it’s
not registered with
the SAS. It literally
won’t connect.
I think you may be
stuck in another time
period.
*From:* AF
<[email protected]>
*On Behalf Of *Andy
Trimmell
*Sent:* Monday,
February 14, 2022 4:05 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT:
CBRS
Do all of you
individually register
your CPEs? I just
got an email out of
the blue telling me I
need to register each
one of the CPEs that
are connected to my
eNBs. Am I just
misunderstanding what
he’s saying?
Andy Trimmell
/Business Manager/
*PDS Connect*
317-831-3000
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