We have our FUSF waived on our 10G/100G interstate links. It’s a pain, but it’s possible and worth the hassle.
We have to justify our FUSF waiving each year with each carrier by filling out each carriers respective FUSF exempt form. I hit each carrier up each January for their new years exempt form. FWIW, Lumen doesnt release theirs until like April and it’s an online form you submit. If I remember right, you’ll need a FCC 499 Filer ID and should be a VOIP provider contributing to FUSF on your own to qualify. Ask your carriers for their FUSF exempt form and see what it entails. Getting to the right person to get you the form is a little tricky. Good luck! Cassidy > On Aug 30, 2023, at 5:27 PM, Daniel Pautz via AF <[email protected]> wrote: > > Darn, your first message with the typo had me excited J paying a ton of > USF for 100G interstate links, would love to get around that some day as we > turn up more its so much wasted cash. Would have been cool if these guys > won > https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca5/22-60008/22-60008-2023-03-24.html > > > I know the USF does bring some good, but I thing it also is a big ass waste > of “taxes” so much gets wasted, there could be much better ways of doing > it and checks/balances > > From: AF <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf > Of TJ Trout > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2023 5:18 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ACP - Affordable Connectivity Program > > Yikes, my mobile keyboard is going downhill fast; > > In almost every case I've seen for ptp or ptmp transport service the carriers > will default to try to slip you and interstate agreement regardless of the > a/z termination points, if you are paying USF on intrastate transport you > probably shouldn't be, and I may be able to assist on new orders if you are > getting pushback from your reps. > > On Wed, Aug 30, 2023 at 4:13 PM TJ Trout <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Almost every case I've seen for ptp or ptmp transport service the carriers > will default to try to slip you and interstate agreement regardless of the > a/z termination points, if your paying USF on interstate private lines you > probably should be, I may be able to assist on new orders if you are getting > pushback from your reps. > > On Wed, Aug 30, 2023, 3:11 PM Mark Radabaugh <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > I think you need to do a lot more research on the subject to really get a > good answer. > > Short version: > > Collecting USF fees from customers is always optional. Paying USF fees is > required for services that are subject to USF. There is a deminimus > category where you don’t have to pay the fees (your upstream providers pay > them) but once you exceed deminimus you have to pay them yourself. > > Things subject to USF: phone service, voip service, private line service, > point-to-point data circuits, point to multipoint data circuits. > > Things not subject to USF: Internet service provided to a retail or business > customer > > There are a lot of caveats to the ’things subject to USF’ and the lawyers > can’t agree on what it is. USAC acts as judge, jury, executioner, and > pockets the money. The FCC occasionally weighs in and confuses things more. > > I don’t believe you are required to be a 499 filer to participate in ACP for > broadband service. Not sure what it would have to do with anything. > > All of the above is worth exactly what you paid for it :-) > > Mark > > > On Aug 30, 2023, at 11:20 AM, Peter Kranz via AF <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > I think so, but I’m looking for a confirmation from someone actually > participating in it.. > > Peter Kranz > www.UnwiredLtd.com <http://www.unwiredltd.com/> > Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 > Mobile: 510-207-0000 > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > From: AF <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf > Of TJ Trout > Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2023 7:21 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ACP - Affordable Connectivity Program > > I thought that internet service is USF exempt per ITNA/ITFA in California? > > On Tue, Aug 29, 2023 at 4:06 PM Peter Kranz via AF <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Is anyone participating in the ACP? Did participation require you become a > form 499 filer and collect FUSF taxes from your end users? > > -Peter > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > Thank you, > > TJ Trout > Volt Broadband > 209.480.3122 Cell > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > Thank you, > > TJ Trout > Volt Broadband > 209.480.3122 Cell > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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