The FCC just came up with yet another ACAM boondoggle. They are very proud of it. It never ends….
Mark > On Aug 30, 2023, at 9:27 PM, Chuck McCown via AF <[email protected]> wrote: > > The USF did do a lot of good. But its time has passed. Most ILECs took ACAM > money to build out fiber everywhere. That program is coming to the end of > its first phase. Supposedly all those ACAM companies will now be on their > own, to compete in a straight up business model. But the prognosis is they > will cry hard enough to get another tranche of welfare. > > I think USF could end tomorrow and nobody other than execs at the ILECS would > even notice. > I know, I was one for many years and I specialized in milking the USF. > > > > From: Daniel Pautz via AF <> > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2023 5:27 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <> > Cc: Daniel Pautz <> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ACP - Affordable Connectivity Program > > Darn, your first message with the typo had me excited J paying a ton of > USF for 100G interstate links, would love to get around that some day as we > turn up more its so much wasted cash. Would have been cool if these guys > won > https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca5/22-60008/22-60008-2023-03-24.html > > > I know the USF does bring some good, but I thing it also is a big ass waste > of “taxes” so much gets wasted, there could be much better ways of doing > it and checks/balances > > From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of TJ Trout > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2023 5:18 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ACP - Affordable Connectivity Program > > Yikes, my mobile keyboard is going downhill fast; > > In almost every case I've seen for ptp or ptmp transport service the carriers > will default to try to slip you and interstate agreement regardless of the > a/z termination points, if you are paying USF on intrastate transport you > probably shouldn't be, and I may be able to assist on new orders if you are > getting pushback from your reps. > > On Wed, Aug 30, 2023 at 4:13 PM TJ Trout <[email protected] <>> wrote: > Almost every case I've seen for ptp or ptmp transport service the carriers > will default to try to slip you and interstate agreement regardless of the > a/z termination points, if your paying USF on interstate private lines you > probably should be, I may be able to assist on new orders if you are getting > pushback from your reps. > > On Wed, Aug 30, 2023, 3:11 PM Mark Radabaugh <[email protected] <>> wrote: > I think you need to do a lot more research on the subject to really get a > good answer. > > Short version: > > Collecting USF fees from customers is always optional. Paying USF fees is > required for services that are subject to USF. There is a deminimus > category where you don’t have to pay the fees (your upstream providers pay > them) but once you exceed deminimus you have to pay them yourself. > > Things subject to USF: phone service, voip service, private line service, > point-to-point data circuits, point to multipoint data circuits. > > Things not subject to USF: Internet service provided to a retail or business > customer > > There are a lot of caveats to the ’things subject to USF’ and the lawyers > can’t agree on what it is. USAC acts as judge, jury, executioner, and > pockets the money. The FCC occasionally weighs in and confuses things more. > > I don’t believe you are required to be a 499 filer to participate in ACP for > broadband service. Not sure what it would have to do with anything. > > All of the above is worth exactly what you paid for it :-) > > Mark > > > On Aug 30, 2023, at 11:20 AM, Peter Kranz via AF <[email protected] <>> wrote: > > I think so, but I’m looking for a confirmation from someone actually > participating in it.. > > Peter Kranz > www.UnwiredLtd.com <http://www.unwiredltd.com/> > Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 > Mobile: 510-207-0000 > [email protected] <> > > From: AF <[email protected] <>> On Behalf Of TJ Trout > Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2023 7:21 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected] <>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ACP - Affordable Connectivity Program > > I thought that internet service is USF exempt per ITNA/ITFA in California? > > On Tue, Aug 29, 2023 at 4:06 PM Peter Kranz via AF <[email protected] <>> wrote: > Is anyone participating in the ACP? Did participation require you become a > form 499 filer and collect FUSF taxes from your end users? > > -Peter > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] <> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > Thank you, > > TJ Trout > Volt Broadband > 209.480.3122 Cell > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] <> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] <> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > Thank you, > > TJ Trout > Volt Broadband > 209.480.3122 Cell > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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