Yemen has a 10 year old civil war, partly a proxy war
between Iran and the Saudis. Yemen was formed by the
merger of North Yemen and South Yemen, the latter was a
former British colony.
The Houthis are technically a “movement” but they
control the capital and much of the territory and have
their own government structure. The internationally
recognized and Saudi supported government moved to Adan
in the south after the Houthi revolution or coup. It
looks to me like the split might be roughly the former
North Yemen under control of the Houthis and the former
South Yemen under control of the internationally
recognized government. I seem to remember that the
Houthis were threatening to take control of the whole
country when the Saudis intervened. But the Saudis were
mainly just bombing stuff.
The Houthis are Iranian puppets so you could compare
them to Hezbollah, but maybe more like revolutionaries,
they control a good chunk of Yemen. Not nice people.
But Yemen is a mess. I think I read the British left
because of widespread terrorism and that was decades
ago. If a giant sinkhole swallowed the whole place, we
would probably say good riddance.
*From:*AF <[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2025 10:08 AM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the
Pacific
Are the Houthis an actual country, or just another
Al-Qaeda kind of group?
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 10/24/2025 7:53 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
So are the Houthis justified sinking vessels in the
Red Sea from companies and countries that support
Israel’s war in Gaza?
*From:*AF <[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Carl
Peterson
*Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2025 9:40 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
<[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in
the Pacific
The Daily had a really good bit on this yesterday.
Not particularly about blowing up boats but about
the competing interests in the Trump administration
re Venezuela. It's a great 30 min listen.
Background: Maduro lost the last election in a
landslide (30%/70%) but refused to cede power.
TLDL:
Trump wanted to cut a deal and was working on it but
Rubio won out and is focused on regime change.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/23/podcasts/the-daily/us-venezuela-maduro-boat-attacks.html
On Thu, Oct 23, 2025 at 9:33 PM Steve Jones
<[email protected]> wrote:
Heh
On Thu, Oct 23, 2025, 9:13 PM Chuck McCown
<[email protected]> wrote:
Might be safer to have a Maple Leaf flag.
You could always run the stars and bars, at
least they would presume you would be armed
and would fight.
*From:*AF [mailto:[email protected]]
*On Behalf Of *Mark Radabaugh
*Sent:* Thursday, October 23, 2025 7:41 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
<[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up
boats in the Pacific
So that American flag on the back is going
to protect me from the various other
countries that decide to even up the score?
On Oct 23, 2025, at 9:10 PM, Chuck
McCown <[email protected]> wrote:
Stop smuggling and you will be just fine….
*From:*AF
[mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] *On
Behalf Of *Mark Radabaugh
*Sent:* Thursday, October 23, 2025 6:57 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
<[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing
up boats in the Pacific
Someday I would really like to be able
to sail around the Caribbean and South
America without having to worry about
being randomly blown out of the water
for no reason at all. “Well, the US
said it was OK to kill people in
international waters”.
Mark
On Oct 23, 2025, at 1:31 AM, Jason
McKemie
<[email protected]>
wrote:
It seems very telling that when they
blew up a boat and people survived,
they sent them back to their home
country vs prosecuting them. You
can't introduce that testimony into
the public record.
On Wed, Oct 22, 2025, 11:44 PM Ken
Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote:
Replying to myself, which is
perhaps a sign I should be in
therapy, but I just realized one
reason why the Coast Guard is
underappreciated or at least
unknown compared to Army, Navy,
Air Force and Marines. They are
part of DHS not DOD.
But now that DOD is calling
itself the Department of War,
maybe DHS is just fine. Although
one is Hegseth and the other is
Noem, so flip a coin.
Coast Guard is also much
smaller, has a smaller budget,
and a much smaller PR budget.
No money to toot their own horn.
*From:*AF
<[email protected]> *On
Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 22,
2025 10:50 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave
Users Group' <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're
blowing up boats in the Pacific
Yeah, but if it’s on the ocean,
I’d prefer to see a Hawaii Five
0 style chase. With McGarrett
in a speedboat, and at the end
he says “book ‘em, Danno”.
Besides, I think the Coasties
are an underappreciated branch
of the US military.
*From:*AF
<[email protected]> *On
Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 22,
2025 8:31 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're
blowing up boats in the Pacific
I prefer to see cartels bombed.
When they started moving the
fent, they chose bombs. A little
nose candy here and there, some
dope, a little crystal, even
some heroin was manageable. But
these ducks decided to move shit
that one mistake kills. Fuckbag
dealers are putting it it club
drugs and on vicodins. Kids
don't have a chance to make a
mistake.
Bomb the shit out of them. Sink
their boats, cut their life
jackets, chum the waters, I
don't care as long as they die.
They don't want to give our kids
a second chance, their adults
deserve as terrible a death as
possible. Idgaf about human
rights, they don't, and I have
no interest in the high road.
On Wed, Oct 22, 2025, 6:45 PM
Dev <[email protected]> wrote:
Turns out drug dealers
sometimes get shot, who
knew? Maybe they were
delivering critical supplies
to orphanages, because
speedboats with three
engines mean urgent care is
being delivered expeditiously?
On Oct 22, 2025, at
3:03 PM, Ken Hohhof
<[email protected]> wrote:
Article on the latest
generation of US Coast
Guard “Over The Horizon”
boats.
https://www.workboat.com/shipbuilding/test-driving-the-coast-guard-s-new-over-the-horizon-cutter-boat
Generally deployed from
a ramp on the back of a
larger cutter along with
helicopters. These
things vaguely remind me
of the WWII PT boats.
I would not want to try
and outrun the Coast Guard.
*From:* AF
<[email protected]>
*On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Wednesday,
October 22, 2025 4:24 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm
Microwave Users Group'
<[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]
now we're blowing up
boats in the Pacific
Yes, and that's the
primary argument against
this practice. If we
have solid intel that
they're carrying drugs,
and we know where they
are, then as soon as
they enter our
territorial waters we
can board the boat and
arrest them. The Coast
Guard doesn't need a
warrant or even a
specific reason to board
a boat. Some of those
boats are faster than
Cutters, but I don't
have solid info on how
often they actually
escape when they're
already being tracked.
It's hard to imagine
they really get away
often because the Coast
Guard also has
helicopters, and they're
allowed to continue a
pursuit into
international waters
(and onto land) as long
as the pursuit started
in US waters.
Regardless of how often
they really get away,
it's not normal to blow
up someone's boat as a
law enforcement action.
We also don't execute
drug traffickers, and
even when the state
executes someone there's
a trial first.
but.....
1. post-911 we treat
foreign terrorist
organizations as
enemy combatants
1. the executive branch
gets to decide who
counts as an FTO.
The sec of state,
sec of treasury, and
attorney general all
have to agree, but
they also all have
the same boss.
1. Nobody can really
stop the executive
branch from
declaring an FTO.
1. Congress could
pass a bill to
override
someone's
listing as an
FTO, but to date
they've never
done it.
1. The courts could
overturn an FTO
listing, but for
a lot of reasons
it's almost
impossible.
So effectively the
President and/or their
cabinet has a completely
legal pathway to
authorize military force
against just about
anyone, and there's very
little anyone can do
about it. It's not that
I have sympathy for drug
smugglers, it's that all
we can do is take
someone's word for it
that it was a drug
smuggler. If anyone is
totally comfortable with
that then I'm curious
what your rationale is.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:* AF
<[email protected]>
on behalf of Ken Hohhof
<[email protected]>
*Sent:* Wednesday,
October 22, 2025 3:00 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm
Microwave Users Group'
<[email protected]>
*Subject:* [AFMUG] now
we're blowing up boats
in the Pacific
_https://x.com/SecWar/status/1981049943306752361
<https://x.com/SecWar/status/1981049943306752361>_
I thought the Coast
Guard was able to
intercept boats and
board them, arrest
people and confiscate
cargo. I seem to
remember they
specifically acquired
high speed boats that
were a match for
anything a drug runner
might have.
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