aggregate annual production capacity, one is absolutely superior to the other two that would require 3x the number of systems
On Mon, Oct 27, 2025 at 11:44 AM Robert <[email protected]> wrote: > patato potato... Is one more $$ than the other? > > On 10/27/25 9:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote: > > hahaha, meth > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2025 at 11:15 AM Robert <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Nuclear, A handful of acres... Now who's smoking crack... Try at >> least 2 miles square with buffer zones and towers and aux facilities... >> Diablo Canyon, which is a more recent plant, doesn't need towers due to >> ocean water cooling, and it's exclusion area is 2 miles on a side. Now >> if you want to talk pie in the sky they are saying the new plants, which >> there are none, are going to be 1/2 mile exclusion. But again, you want >> to live/work within that space? >> >> Solar isn't any worse than Nuk and a whole lot less support facilities >> and no shutting down the land use for the next 50-100 years. Some solar >> facilities are being raised off the ground by 10 feet to make the areas >> below usable, which is a benefit to the land owner. >> >> Around N. Nevada, the electrical companies are throwing up panels left >> and right. Getting BLM land isn't that expensive and the power goes right >> next door to the server farms. >> >> Redwood Industries, the massive lithium recycling company is taking the >> battery packs that are 99% ok and fixing the couple bad cells and packaging >> them into lower cost power banks in containers. >> >> My knock on Solar is that the weather is getting worse and the damage to >> the facilities is, in a lot of cases, worked around instead of being >> repaired. Easier to just throw up more area than repair large scale damage >> for a year because old panels are a pita to fix... >> >> >> On 10/27/25 7:47 AM, Bill Prince wrote: >> >> AIs don't smoke. >> >> >> bp >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >> >> On 10/26/2025 5:34 PM, Steve Jones wrote: >> >> How much meth was smoked before this post? >> >> You ever see the land lease and neigbor contacts on these? >> >> Nuclear, a handful of acres >> >> Same solar 4 to 6000 acres >> >> Same wind 100s of square miles >> >> 24x7 vs good times >> >> Once we bust the NRC and get gen3 reactors online, we will start giving >> salmon their habitat back >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 26, 2025, 12:29 PM Bill Prince <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Petro-dollars are quickly becoming worthless. We've reached the point >>> where renewables (mainly solar) are the fastest, cheapest way to get power >>> to the grid. That will be the main driver going forward. Just in the first >>> half of this year China has put up over 200 GW of solar power. That is >>> roughly equivalent to 200 nuclear reactors. They did that in six months, >>> and it would have taken decades if it was nuclear. >>> >>> A barrel of oil is now around $60, and we are going into a glut, which >>> will drive the price of oil downward. If the price gets much below $50, >>> then all of a sudden all the shale-oil becomes a loser, and will get shut >>> down. >>> >>> It will be interesting how this plays out, but I'm not betting on oil. >>> >>> bp >>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>> >>> On 10/25/2025 5:30 PM, Jan-GAMs wrote: >>> >>> It doesn't work that way. The petrol-dollar assholes will just get the >>> government to make it illegal and force us to use gas. >>> On 10/24/25 19:46, Steve Jones wrote: >>> >>> George and Gracie did a skit >>> "If we had some eggs, we could have ham and eggs, if we had some ham" >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 24, 2025, 12:05 PM Robert <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> IF we actually got functioning Fusion, the greatest benefit would be >>>> being able to just forget about all these places... Take away the >>>> petrodollar and they would blow away in the desert winds... >>>> >>>> On 10/24/25 9:28 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >>>> >>>> Yemen has a 10 year old civil war, partly a proxy war between Iran and >>>> the Saudis. Yemen was formed by the merger of North Yemen and South Yemen, >>>> the latter was a former British colony. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The Houthis are technically a “movement” but they control the capital >>>> and much of the territory and have their own government structure. The >>>> internationally recognized and Saudi supported government moved to Adan in >>>> the south after the Houthi revolution or coup. It looks to me like the >>>> split might be roughly the former North Yemen under control of the Houthis >>>> and the former South Yemen under control of the internationally recognized >>>> government. I seem to remember that the Houthis were threatening to take >>>> control of the whole country when the Saudis intervened. But the Saudis >>>> were mainly just bombing stuff. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The Houthis are Iranian puppets so you could compare them to Hezbollah, >>>> but maybe more like revolutionaries, they control a good chunk of Yemen. >>>> Not nice people. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> But Yemen is a mess. I think I read the British left because of >>>> widespread terrorism and that was decades ago. If a giant sinkhole >>>> swallowed the whole place, we would probably say good riddance. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> <[email protected]> *On >>>> Behalf Of *Bill Prince >>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2025 10:08 AM >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the Pacific >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Are the Houthis an actual country, or just another Al-Qaeda kind of >>>> group? >>>> >>>> bp >>>> >>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>> >>>> On 10/24/2025 7:53 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >>>> >>>> So are the Houthis justified sinking vessels in the Red Sea from >>>> companies and countries that support Israel’s war in Gaza? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> <[email protected]> *On >>>> Behalf Of *Carl Peterson >>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2025 9:40 AM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> >>>> <[email protected]> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the Pacific >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The Daily had a really good bit on this yesterday. Not >>>> particularly about blowing up boats but about the competing interests in >>>> the Trump administration re Venezuela. It's a great 30 min listen. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Background: Maduro lost the last election in a landslide (30%/70%) but >>>> refused to cede power. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> TLDL: >>>> >>>> Trump wanted to cut a deal and was working on it but Rubio won out and >>>> is focused on regime change. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/23/podcasts/the-daily/us-venezuela-maduro-boat-attacks.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 23, 2025 at 9:33 PM Steve Jones <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Heh >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 23, 2025, 9:13 PM Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Might be safer to have a Maple Leaf flag. You could always run the >>>> stars and bars, at least they would presume you would be armed and would >>>> fight. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* AF [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Mark >>>> Radabaugh >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 23, 2025 7:41 PM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the Pacific >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> So that American flag on the back is going to protect me from the >>>> various other countries that decide to even up the score? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Oct 23, 2025, at 9:10 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Stop smuggling and you will be just fine…. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* AF [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On >>>> Behalf Of *Mark Radabaugh >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 23, 2025 6:57 AM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the Pacific >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Someday I would really like to be able to sail around the Caribbean and >>>> South America without having to worry about being randomly blown out of the >>>> water for no reason at all. “Well, the US said it was OK to kill people >>>> in international waters”. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Oct 23, 2025, at 1:31 AM, Jason McKemie < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> It seems very telling that when they blew up a boat and people >>>> survived, they sent them back to their home country vs prosecuting them. >>>> You can't introduce that testimony into the public record. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2025, 11:44 PM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Replying to myself, which is perhaps a sign I should be in therapy, but >>>> I just realized one reason why the Coast Guard is underappreciated or at >>>> least unknown compared to Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines. They are part >>>> of DHS not DOD. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> But now that DOD is calling itself the Department of War, maybe DHS is >>>> just fine. Although one is Hegseth and the other is Noem, so flip a coin. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Coast Guard is also much smaller, has a smaller budget, and a much >>>> smaller PR budget. No money to toot their own horn. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2025 10:50 PM >>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the Pacific >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Yeah, but if it’s on the ocean, I’d prefer to see a Hawaii Five 0 style >>>> chase. With McGarrett in a speedboat, and at the end he says “book ‘em, >>>> Danno”. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Besides, I think the Coasties are an underappreciated branch of the US >>>> military. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2025 8:31 PM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the Pacific >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I prefer to see cartels bombed. When they started moving the fent, they >>>> chose bombs. A little nose candy here and there, some dope, a little >>>> crystal, even some heroin was manageable. But these ducks decided to move >>>> shit that one mistake kills. Fuckbag dealers are putting it it club drugs >>>> and on vicodins. Kids don't have a chance to make a mistake. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Bomb the shit out of them. Sink their boats, cut their life jackets, >>>> chum the waters, I don't care as long as they die. They don't want to give >>>> our kids a second chance, their adults deserve as terrible a death as >>>> possible. Idgaf about human rights, they don't, and I have no interest in >>>> the high road. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2025, 6:45 PM Dev <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Turns out drug dealers sometimes get shot, who knew? Maybe they were >>>> delivering critical supplies to orphanages, because speedboats with three >>>> engines mean urgent care is being delivered expeditiously? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Oct 22, 2025, at 3:03 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Article on the latest generation of US Coast Guard “Over The Horizon” >>>> boats. >>>> >>>> >>>> https://www.workboat.com/shipbuilding/test-driving-the-coast-guard-s-new-over-the-horizon-cutter-boat >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Generally deployed from a ramp on the back of a larger cutter along >>>> with helicopters. These things vaguely remind me of the WWII PT boats. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I would not want to try and outrun the Coast Guard. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2025 4:24 PM >>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the Pacific >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Yes, and that's the primary argument against this practice. If we have >>>> solid intel that they're carrying drugs, and we know where they are, then >>>> as soon as they enter our territorial waters we can board the boat and >>>> arrest them. The Coast Guard doesn't need a warrant or even a specific >>>> reason to board a boat. Some of those boats are faster than Cutters, but I >>>> don't have solid info on how often they actually escape when they're >>>> already being tracked. It's hard to imagine they really get away often >>>> because the Coast Guard also has helicopters, and they're allowed to >>>> continue a pursuit into international waters (and onto land) as long as the >>>> pursuit started in US waters. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Regardless of how often they really get away, it's not normal to blow >>>> up someone's boat as a law enforcement action. We also don't execute drug >>>> traffickers, and even when the state executes someone there's a trial >>>> first. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> but..... >>>> >>>> 1. post-911 we treat foreign terrorist organizations as enemy >>>> combatants >>>> >>>> >>>> 1. the executive branch gets to decide who counts as an FTO. The >>>> sec of state, sec of treasury, and attorney general all have to agree, >>>> but >>>> they also all have the same boss. >>>> >>>> >>>> 1. Nobody can really stop the executive branch from declaring an >>>> FTO. >>>> >>>> >>>> 1. Congress could pass a bill to override someone's listing as an >>>> FTO, but to date they've never done it. >>>> >>>> >>>> 1. The courts could overturn an FTO listing, but for a lot of >>>> reasons it's almost impossible. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> So effectively the President and/or their cabinet has a completely >>>> legal pathway to authorize military force against just about anyone, and >>>> there's very little anyone can do about it. It's not that I have sympathy >>>> for drug smugglers, it's that all we can do is take someone's word for it >>>> that it was a drug smuggler. If anyone is totally comfortable with that >>>> then I'm curious what your rationale is. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> on behalf of Ken Hohhof < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2025 3:00 PM >>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]> >>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the Pacific >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *https://x.com/SecWar/status/1981049943306752361 >>>> <https://x.com/SecWar/status/1981049943306752361>* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I thought the Coast Guard was able to intercept boats and board them, >>>> arrest people and confiscate cargo. 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