two went active last year in the US, howd they do that without approval? On Mon, Oct 27, 2025 at 6:32 PM Robert <[email protected]> wrote:
> the morons that got impaled, was a fairly major accident. The whole area > was massively worked on to remove contamination. The bodies were buried in > lead boxes. It was a design flaw. The control rods swelled more than > spec. They kept that incident secret into the 2000's... I got briefed in > on it in 1980 when I got my first clearance. I think they told me because > I was enjoying working in the industry too much without being serious > enough for them. > > When I was part of the first views into the reactor vessel of TMI I > decided to leave the industry. Too many guys in the room, which was > filled with the GWASTK ( guys who are supposed to know ) were surprised. > > There have been no gen3 designs that are even close to licensing. A big > proposal design was actually paid for by the military and they had to walk > it all back when the company admitted they couldn't deliver even with a 4 > year window past original delivery. > > On 10/27/25 1:57 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > > 3 nuclear incidents, workplace mishaps are workplace mishaps, morons get > impaled often, thats simply darwinian logistics. Thats like saying a drill > crew member that walked into traffic got killed in an internet related > incident > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2025 at 3:32 PM Robert <[email protected]> wrote: > >> There have been three Massive incidents. There have been dozens of >> lesser incidents, many have cost lives... The very first incident killed >> three guys in the most gruesome way... Nothing nice about being impaled >> by a couple control rods & being stuck to the top of the containment >> vessel... >> >> On 10/27/25 11:01 AM, Steve Jones wrote: >> >> The spent fuel is no longer a major issue since the gen3 reactors will >> reuse the old spent fuel, 96% of it, so theres no real new waste for the >> foreseeable future, but I assume the gen3 spent will be way >> mor radioactive. >> >> Around here its definitely bean and food corn crop being built over. I >> dont know what the miles per acre ethanol/vs solar is. other than the spent >> fuel and irradiated containment, the volume of toxic output over the >> reactor life of 80 years, the entire solar/wind will have gone through a >> minimum 3 iterations of toxic landfill waste. >> >> Nuclear has had 3 total incidents, all three were human arrogance gone >> awry. Id like to think the safeguards, particularly in the gen 3 reactors >> will all but eliminate those, and none of the terrible outcomes were as bad >> as they were presented, even chernobyl. (still terrible, just not what we >> were told they were and would be) >> >> I personally think data centers should be banned in all metropolitan >> radius and be mandated to build small footprint gen3 reactors that provide >> 150% of their demand, with the 50% being distributed to the infrastructure >> at no gain to the datacenter, as opposed to the current modality where they >> get bulk rate discounts that we end consumers suffer increased rates for >> due to supply and demand. The leftards should love my plan, its socialism >> of the power grid, the evil billionaire megacorporations paying their fair >> share, but lets face facts here, libiots are fucking liars and have no >> interest in actually doing any of the garbage they spout out. Hell let >> Excelon operate them so the ninnys who would wine about "private" ownership >> of reactors dont get their twat snot all over their panties. >> >> Sure it will be 5 to 10 years and we have to bang the fat girl we took >> home til then, but with actual, rational planning, we would be on the verge >> of no longer suffering power shortages in under a decade. But who wants to >> actually solve problems, amirite? >> >> On Mon, Oct 27, 2025 at 11:44 AM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I think the waste (spent fuel) disposal issue was bigger than people >>> remember. Big NIMBY problem. Remember Yucca Mountain? >>> >>> >>> >>> The other issue is commissioning time and cost. You can spin up a solar >>> farm in like 6 months, with almost no regulatory issues unless you need a >>> zoning variance. Just make a deal with the landowners. I’ll drive by a >>> field and see some pickup trucks and a crew putting in stakes, a month >>> later I drive by and there are solar panels, and a month after that it’s >>> hooked up to the grid. After the fact people will whine on Facebook they >>> are taking good farmland for solar, but actually that land grew corn to >>> make into ethanol for blending with gasoline. So you can grow corn to fuel >>> gasoline cars or grow electricity to fuel EVs. Different means, same >>> result. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince >>> *Sent:* Monday, October 27, 2025 11:30 AM >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: now we're blowing up boats in the >>> Pacific >>> >>> >>> >>> Don't forget Chernobyl. >>> >>> The exclusion zone around Chernobyl is a restricted area in Ukraine and >>> Belarus established after the 1986 nuclear disaster, with an initial radius >>> of about 30 kilometers (18.6 miles) that was later expanded. Today, it >>> covers an area of approximately 1,600 square miles (4,143 square km) in >>> Ukraine, with a separate zone on the Belarusian side called the Polesie >>> State Radioecological Reserve. >>> >>> >>> >>> bp >>> >>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>> >>> On 10/27/2025 9:14 AM, Robert wrote: >>> >>> Nuclear, A handful of acres... Now who's smoking crack... Try at >>> least 2 miles square with buffer zones and towers and aux facilities... >>> Diablo Canyon, which is a more recent plant, doesn't need towers due to >>> ocean water cooling, and it's exclusion area is 2 miles on a side. Now >>> if you want to talk pie in the sky they are saying the new plants, which >>> there are none, are going to be 1/2 mile exclusion. But again, you want >>> to live/work within that space? >>> >>> Solar isn't any worse than Nuk and a whole lot less support facilities >>> and no shutting down the land use for the next 50-100 years. Some solar >>> facilities are being raised off the ground by 10 feet to make the areas >>> below usable, which is a benefit to the land owner. >>> >>> Around N. Nevada, the electrical companies are throwing up panels left >>> and right. Getting BLM land isn't that expensive and the power goes right >>> next door to the server farms. >>> >>> Redwood Industries, the massive lithium recycling company is taking the >>> battery packs that are 99% ok and fixing the couple bad cells and packaging >>> them into lower cost power banks in containers. >>> >>> My knock on Solar is that the weather is getting worse and the damage to >>> the facilities is, in a lot of cases, worked around instead of being >>> repaired. Easier to just throw up more area than repair large scale damage >>> for a year because old panels are a pita to fix... >>> >>> On 10/27/25 7:47 AM, Bill Prince wrote: >>> >>> AIs don't smoke. >>> >>> >>> >>> bp >>> >>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>> >>> On 10/26/2025 5:34 PM, Steve Jones wrote: >>> >>> How much meth was smoked before this post? >>> >>> >>> >>> You ever see the land lease and neigbor contacts on these? >>> >>> >>> >>> Nuclear, a handful of acres >>> >>> >>> >>> Same solar 4 to 6000 acres >>> >>> >>> >>> Same wind 100s of square miles >>> >>> >>> >>> 24x7 vs good times >>> >>> >>> >>> Once we bust the NRC and get gen3 reactors online, we will start giving >>> salmon their habitat back >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Oct 26, 2025, 12:29 PM Bill Prince <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Petro-dollars are quickly becoming worthless. We've reached the point >>> where renewables (mainly solar) are the fastest, cheapest way to get power >>> to the grid. That will be the main driver going forward. Just in the first >>> half of this year China has put up over 200 GW of solar power. That is >>> roughly equivalent to 200 nuclear reactors. They did that in six months, >>> and it would have taken decades if it was nuclear. >>> >>> A barrel of oil is now around $60, and we are going into a glut, which >>> will drive the price of oil downward. If the price gets much below $50, >>> then all of a sudden all the shale-oil becomes a loser, and will get shut >>> down. >>> >>> It will be interesting how this plays out, but I'm not betting on oil. >>> >>> bp >>> >>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>> >>> On 10/25/2025 5:30 PM, Jan-GAMs wrote: >>> >>> It doesn't work that way. The petrol-dollar assholes will just get the >>> government to make it illegal and force us to use gas. >>> >>> On 10/24/25 19:46, Steve Jones wrote: >>> >>> George and Gracie did a skit >>> >>> "If we had some eggs, we could have ham and eggs, if we had some ham" >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 24, 2025, 12:05 PM Robert <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> IF we actually got functioning Fusion, the greatest benefit would be >>> being able to just forget about all these places... Take away the >>> petrodollar and they would blow away in the desert winds... >>> >>> On 10/24/25 9:28 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >>> >>> Yemen has a 10 year old civil war, partly a proxy war between Iran and >>> the Saudis. Yemen was formed by the merger of North Yemen and South Yemen, >>> the latter was a former British colony. >>> >>> >>> >>> The Houthis are technically a “movement” but they control the capital >>> and much of the territory and have their own government structure. The >>> internationally recognized and Saudi supported government moved to Adan in >>> the south after the Houthi revolution or coup. It looks to me like the >>> split might be roughly the former North Yemen under control of the Houthis >>> and the former South Yemen under control of the internationally recognized >>> government. I seem to remember that the Houthis were threatening to take >>> control of the whole country when the Saudis intervened. But the Saudis >>> were mainly just bombing stuff. >>> >>> >>> >>> The Houthis are Iranian puppets so you could compare them to Hezbollah, >>> but maybe more like revolutionaries, they control a good chunk of Yemen. >>> Not nice people. >>> >>> >>> >>> But Yemen is a mess. I think I read the British left because of >>> widespread terrorism and that was decades ago. If a giant sinkhole >>> swallowed the whole place, we would probably say good riddance. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> <[email protected]> *On >>> Behalf Of *Bill Prince >>> *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2025 10:08 AM >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the Pacific >>> >>> >>> >>> Are the Houthis an actual country, or just another Al-Qaeda kind of >>> group? >>> >>> bp >>> >>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>> >>> On 10/24/2025 7:53 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >>> >>> So are the Houthis justified sinking vessels in the Red Sea from >>> companies and countries that support Israel’s war in Gaza? >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> <[email protected]> *On >>> Behalf Of *Carl Peterson >>> *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2025 9:40 AM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> >>> <[email protected]> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the Pacific >>> >>> >>> >>> The Daily had a really good bit on this yesterday. Not >>> particularly about blowing up boats but about the competing interests in >>> the Trump administration re Venezuela. It's a great 30 min listen. >>> >>> >>> >>> Background: Maduro lost the last election in a landslide (30%/70%) but >>> refused to cede power. >>> >>> >>> >>> TLDL: >>> >>> Trump wanted to cut a deal and was working on it but Rubio won out and >>> is focused on regime change. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/23/podcasts/the-daily/us-venezuela-maduro-boat-attacks.html >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 23, 2025 at 9:33 PM Steve Jones <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Heh >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 23, 2025, 9:13 PM Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Might be safer to have a Maple Leaf flag. You could always run the >>> stars and bars, at least they would presume you would be armed and would >>> fight. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Mark >>> Radabaugh >>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 23, 2025 7:41 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the Pacific >>> >>> >>> >>> So that American flag on the back is going to protect me from the >>> various other countries that decide to even up the score? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Oct 23, 2025, at 9:10 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Stop smuggling and you will be just fine…. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On >>> Behalf Of *Mark Radabaugh >>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 23, 2025 6:57 AM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the Pacific >>> >>> >>> >>> Someday I would really like to be able to sail around the Caribbean and >>> South America without having to worry about being randomly blown out of the >>> water for no reason at all. “Well, the US said it was OK to kill people >>> in international waters”. >>> >>> >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> >>> On Oct 23, 2025, at 1:31 AM, Jason McKemie < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> It seems very telling that when they blew up a boat and people survived, >>> they sent them back to their home country vs prosecuting them. You can't >>> introduce that testimony into the public record. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2025, 11:44 PM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Replying to myself, which is perhaps a sign I should be in therapy, but >>> I just realized one reason why the Coast Guard is underappreciated or at >>> least unknown compared to Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines. They are part >>> of DHS not DOD. >>> >>> >>> >>> But now that DOD is calling itself the Department of War, maybe DHS is >>> just fine. Although one is Hegseth and the other is Noem, so flip a coin. >>> >>> >>> >>> Coast Guard is also much smaller, has a smaller budget, and a much >>> smaller PR budget. No money to toot their own horn. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2025 10:50 PM >>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the Pacific >>> >>> >>> >>> Yeah, but if it’s on the ocean, I’d prefer to see a Hawaii Five 0 style >>> chase. With McGarrett in a speedboat, and at the end he says “book ‘em, >>> Danno”. >>> >>> >>> >>> Besides, I think the Coasties are an underappreciated branch of the US >>> military. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2025 8:31 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the Pacific >>> >>> >>> >>> I prefer to see cartels bombed. When they started moving the fent, they >>> chose bombs. A little nose candy here and there, some dope, a little >>> crystal, even some heroin was manageable. But these ducks decided to move >>> shit that one mistake kills. Fuckbag dealers are putting it it club drugs >>> and on vicodins. Kids don't have a chance to make a mistake. >>> >>> >>> >>> Bomb the shit out of them. Sink their boats, cut their life jackets, >>> chum the waters, I don't care as long as they die. They don't want to give >>> our kids a second chance, their adults deserve as terrible a death as >>> possible. Idgaf about human rights, they don't, and I have no interest in >>> the high road. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2025, 6:45 PM Dev <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Turns out drug dealers sometimes get shot, who knew? Maybe they were >>> delivering critical supplies to orphanages, because speedboats with three >>> engines mean urgent care is being delivered expeditiously? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Oct 22, 2025, at 3:03 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Article on the latest generation of US Coast Guard “Over The Horizon” >>> boats. >>> >>> >>> https://www.workboat.com/shipbuilding/test-driving-the-coast-guard-s-new-over-the-horizon-cutter-boat >>> >>> >>> >>> Generally deployed from a ramp on the back of a larger cutter along with >>> helicopters. These things vaguely remind me of the WWII PT boats. >>> >>> >>> >>> I would not want to try and outrun the Coast Guard. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2025 4:24 PM >>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the Pacific >>> >>> >>> >>> Yes, and that's the primary argument against this practice. If we have >>> solid intel that they're carrying drugs, and we know where they are, then >>> as soon as they enter our territorial waters we can board the boat and >>> arrest them. The Coast Guard doesn't need a warrant or even a specific >>> reason to board a boat. Some of those boats are faster than Cutters, but I >>> don't have solid info on how often they actually escape when they're >>> already being tracked. It's hard to imagine they really get away often >>> because the Coast Guard also has helicopters, and they're allowed to >>> continue a pursuit into international waters (and onto land) as long as the >>> pursuit started in US waters. >>> >>> >>> >>> Regardless of how often they really get away, it's not normal to blow up >>> someone's boat as a law enforcement action. We also don't execute drug >>> traffickers, and even when the state executes someone there's a trial >>> first. >>> >>> >>> >>> but..... >>> >>> 1. post-911 we treat foreign terrorist organizations as enemy >>> combatants >>> >>> >>> 1. the executive branch gets to decide who counts as an FTO. The >>> sec of state, sec of treasury, and attorney general all have to agree, >>> but >>> they also all have the same boss. >>> >>> >>> 1. Nobody can really stop the executive branch from declaring an >>> FTO. >>> >>> >>> 1. Congress could pass a bill to override someone's listing as an >>> FTO, but to date they've never done it. >>> >>> >>> 1. The courts could overturn an FTO listing, but for a lot of >>> reasons it's almost impossible. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> So effectively the President and/or their cabinet has a completely legal >>> pathway to authorize military force against just about anyone, and there's >>> very little anyone can do about it. It's not that I have sympathy for drug >>> smugglers, it's that all we can do is take someone's word for it that it >>> was a drug smuggler. If anyone is totally comfortable with that then I'm >>> curious what your rationale is. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> on behalf of Ken Hohhof < >>> [email protected]> >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2025 3:00 PM >>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]> >>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the Pacific >>> >>> >>> >>> *https://x.com/SecWar/status/1981049943306752361 >>> <https://x.com/SecWar/status/1981049943306752361>* >>> >>> >>> >>> I thought the Coast Guard was able to intercept boats and board them, >>> arrest people and confiscate cargo. 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