Even at a much lower install per day rate than Mark’s, I sometimes have an installer out with 3 different radios for a given install. This week we had one that was going to be either 450 in 3.65, 450 in 5.7, or FSK in 2.4. Meanwhile I’m at another site with my laptop playing the role of the NOC guy. I am logged into the sessions page of the APs, waiting for a new session to pop up at the bottom of the list. When that happens, I check the signal and run a linktest. If the numbers look good, I tell the installer when he calls, meanwhile I’m putting an IP address on the new SM, putting the customer’s name on the SNMP page, and configuring anything special like high priority CIR or uplink/downlink sustained rates. Same routine if I have a guy out on a maintenance call and he’s pulling a spare or takedown SM from the van to use as replacement. Even if I had a fancy billing system like Mike has to let me click on the customer’s name on a map, this would not be set up yet in these cases.
From: Mark Radabaugh via Af Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 8:08 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy Because we install 10, 15, sometimes 20 CPE a day. It's a pain in the ass having to McGiver your way into them every time. Sure we auto-configure a lot of it, but there are still have to get into them to look at signal strength and such during the install or when troubleshooting. Mark On Dec 18, 2014, at 8:11 PM, Mike Hammett via Af <[email protected]> wrote: Why do you need to access CPE that aren't directly accessible multiple times a day? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Ken Hohhof via Af" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 7:06:44 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy But I don’t think he’s talking how a skilled person could MacGyver it, but rather a session list right there in the GUI with every subscriber listed by name, and you click on the name and shazzam, you are logged into that SM. Like one of many things that pisses me off about my $10K Purewave basestation is you can see a list of CPE MAC addresses by subscriber name, but if you want to see any stats or change the config for that subscriber, you have to find him by his MAC address, not by name. The expensive piece of crap equipment has all the information to make your life easy, but no, it acts like a glorified MIB browser. They even rolled out an NMS that I assumed would add this level of intelligence, but no. So yes in a pinch you could probably get there through some MAC telnet tricks. But with the AP proxy feature, it’s one click and boom. If you don’t find it useful, fine. Most of us use it multiple times every day. It’s a cool feature. From: Mathew Howard via Af Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 6:50 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy If there's a mac-telnet package out there for linux, you kind of have to wonder why it isn't already in airOS... and ePMP, for that matter. it seems like it would be pretty simple to add and incredibly useful. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Af [[email protected]] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 6:45 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy I never really had a need for it. I now no longer have any PMP devices on my network. Now that I deploy any new Mikrotik wireless either, but if you can get to any Mikrotik device on that layer 2 segment, you can get to the rest. Router, AP, CPE, doesn't matter. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Steve D via Af" <[email protected]> To: "af" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 6:01:01 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy Mike, You sound like you're trying to excuse it for not being there instead of just embracing a good feature that works? Yes, there are ways around, BUT, the Canopy AP-SM proxy *just works*. No thinking about how to get to that SM is required, if you can get to the AP then you can get to the SM - end of story. -Steve D On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 8:37 AM, Mike Hammett via Af <[email protected]> wrote: Use the CLI to fix whatever's wrong with accessing the GUI? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Prince via Af" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 10:34:41 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy Possibly a little simpler with similar results. It gets you a CLI on the target client. The proxy is nice because you can run the web gui. -- bp <part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com> On 12/18/2014 8:03 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: With Mikrotik you can mac-telnet or mac-winbox to anything on that layer 2 segment. That sounds more useful than this proxy. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Vlad Sedov via Af" mailto:[email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:11:55 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy One thing that makes it so bullet-proof on Canopy, is the internal network between the AP and the SMs (169.254.101.x) which is what makes the proxy so smooth. With ePMP and UBNT, you're still at the mercy of having the right IP address set in the SM before you can manage it (even when connecting from the AP). We sorely miss this feature in ePMP, and it makes NMS mapping a major headache.. We don't pre-map SMs before they go out into the field, so with ePMPs, I have to create a static ARP entry for the 192.168.0.2 address in the closest Mikrotik router, and use the Tik proxy to get into the SM.. Change IP, delete ARP, rinse, repeat. Click-through is a cruel joke without the proxy. I really, really hope it gets properly implemented. Vlad On 12/18/2014 7:18 AM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote: How are you doing it with Ubnt? Can't the same be done with epmp? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 18, 2014 8:06 AM, "Mark Radabaugh via Af" <[email protected]> wrote: For our install method proxy access (or some means of remote access to a minimally configured CPE) is a must have. The installers do NOT have to get out a computer or otherwise access the device. Power it up, point it at the tower, listen for signal, call the office for a signal quality check and go. Everything regarding CPE programming can be done remotely. This can be done with Ubnt as well by SSH to the AP's and then to the CPE but it's not as clean as Canopy. No way at all that I know of with ePMP. Mark On Dec 17, 2014, at 11:04 PM, Steve D via Af <[email protected]> wrote: Use it all the time. Between it and installer color code field techs can't FUBAR an install. When our larger networks were vlan'd years ago that made the process super safe. One of the "best features" of the canopy platform in my book. It annoys me working on 802.11 crap when I see a tech has typo'd something like an IP or vlan. On Dec 17, 2014 7:30 PM, "Bill Prince via Af" <[email protected]> wrote: Me too. I don't know how many times I've used it, but it's more than I have finger to count on. -- bp <part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com> On 12/17/2014 7:08 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: No, rather just have it. On 12/17/2014 9:07 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote: Rather have it and not need it then need it and not have it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 17, 2014 9:55 PM, "Mike Hammett via Af" <[email protected]> wrote: I used it a couple times on my Canopy gear, but it was never a show-stopper to not have it. This brings me to a new post... ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ------------------------------------------------------------ From: "George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:30:14 PM Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy OK Cambium ePMP dudes and chicks, I am disappointed. I thought you guys had Canopy-like SM "click-thru" access, aka LUID proxy. But this is not the case on 2.3.3. All you give me is a URL with the IP of the SM. Informational helpful, yes, operationally helpful, no. I'm guessing you need an RF private network like exists on Canopy to make this work. 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