Yeah, I'm sure it has to do with scale. I am a one man band. I think when it comes time to hire my replacement I am going to be very disappointed to find that it takes three men to do my job.
On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af <[email protected]> wrote: > > We have Josh differentiating between site survey and install skill > levels. Then we have Jeremy saying installers should also do NOC tasks. > So we have a pretty wide range of opinions on the matter. I’m guessing > it’s a matter of scale? Once you grow to a certain size, it’s more > efficient to have people specialize. Also easier to fill positions if > everyone doesn’t have to be good at everything. > > Comcast takes this to the Nth degree. If you have a Comcast business > install done, various contractors will arrive with very specialized tasks. > The guy who measures, the guy who digs holes, the guy who mounts boxes, the > guy who runs cable, the guy who hooks up modems, etc. > > > *From:* Jeremy via Af <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Friday, December 19, 2014 10:05 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy > > If an installer cannot program a radio and align it without help from > the NOC then he is not a very good installer. I program and align in under > 15 minutes with my Nexus 7 while I am sitting on the roof. If an installer > messes up the config or the IP, make them go back and fix it! What > happened to accountability? > > On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 8:51 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af <[email protected]> wrote: > >> We sometimes have a tough time just scheduling the customer to be home >> once for the install, much less twice. Especially now that it is dark at >> 4:30pm. >> >> Do you have crews working weekends or something? >> >> Also with different crews for site surveys than installs, I assume you >> have a lot of these every day. I would have a hard time planning routes >> for separate site survey and install crews that don’t involve a lot of >> redundant driving, our area is very spread out, getting to a customer site >> is typically 10-20 miles and sometimes more. Currently if a site survey is >> needed, I’ll try to get an installer to do it on the way to/from another >> install in the same area. >> >> >> *From:* Josh Reynolds via Af <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Thursday, December 18, 2014 10:58 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy >> >> Multiple crews with vastly different skill levels. >> >> josh reynolds :: chief information officer >> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com >> >> On 12/18/2014 07:06 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote: >> >> Why do you make two trips??? >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> On Dec 18, 2014 11:03 PM, "Josh Reynolds via Af" mailto:[email protected] >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> We either send out a site survey crew to talk to the customer, plan mounting >> position, cable run, and verify service level the customer wants -- then >> send out a setup crew a few days later with pre-provisioned gear and >> pictures of everything.. >> >> Or we do a site/survey setup, with a nbm5-25, rm5+RG30, single angle >> tripod, tripod, 5/10 ft poles, u arms, nbem2, rm2+rd, and maybe a few >> scattered nanostations. >> >> Our office takes care of provisioning everybody out in our traffic >> shaper, dhcp, any custom routes, etc in about 10 minutes (general office >> staff). >> >> Some of that stuff will change as we continue to move forward with powercode >> + procera though. >> >> josh reynolds :: chief information officer >> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com >> >> On 12/18/2014 05:38 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: >> >> Even at a much lower install per day rate than Mark’s, I sometimes have an >> installer out with 3 different radios for a given install. This week we had >> one that was going to be either 450 in 3.65, 450 in 5.7, or FSK in 2.4. >> Meanwhile I’m at another site with my laptop playing the role of the NOC >> guy. I am logged into the sessions page of the APs, waiting for a new >> session to pop up at the bottom of the list. When that happens, I check the >> signal and run a linktest. If the numbers look good, I tell the installer >> when he calls, meanwhile I’m putting an IP address on the new SM, putting >> the customer’s name on the SNMP page, and configuring anything special like >> high priority CIR or uplink/downlink sustained rates. Same routine if I >> have a guy out on a maintenance call and he’s pulling a spare or takedown SM >> from the van to use as replacement. Even if I had a fancy billing system >> like Mike has to let me click on the customer’s name on a map, t >> his would >> not be set up yet in these cases. >> >> >> From: Mark Radabaugh via Af >> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 8:08 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy >> >> Because we install 10, 15, sometimes 20 CPE a day. It's a pain in the ass >> having to McGiver your way into them every time. Sure we auto-configure a >> lot of it, but there are still have to get into them to look at signal >> strength and such during the install or when troubleshooting. >> >> Mark >> >> On Dec 18, 2014, at 8:11 PM, Mike Hammett via Af mailto:[email protected] >> <[email protected]> mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Why do you need to access CPE that aren't directly accessible multiple >> times a day? >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> From: "Ken Hohhof via Af" mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]> >> mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 7:06:44 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy >> >> >> But I don’t think he’s talking how a skilled person could MacGyver it, but >> rather a session list right there in the GUI with every subscriber listed by >> name, and you click on the name and shazzam, you are logged into that SM. >> >> Like one of many things that pisses me off about my $10K Purewave >> basestation is you can see a list of CPE MAC addresses by subscriber name, >> but if you want to see any stats or change the config for that subscriber, >> you have to find him by his MAC address, not by name. The expensive piece >> of crap equipment has all the information to make your life easy, but no, it >> acts like a glorified MIB browser. They even rolled out an NMS that I >> assumed would add this level of intelligence, but no. >> >> So yes in a pinch you could probably get there through some MAC telnet >> tricks. But with the AP proxy feature, it’s one click and boom. If you >> don’t find it useful, fine. Most of us use it multiple times every day. >> It’s a cool feature. >> >> >> From: Mathew Howard via Af >> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 6:50 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy >> >> If there's a mac-telnet package out there for linux, you kind of have to >> wonder why it isn't already in airOS... and ePMP, for that matter. it seems >> like it would be pretty simple to add and incredibly useful. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> From: Af [[email protected]] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af >> [[email protected]] >> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 6:45 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy >> >> >> I never really had a need for it. I now no longer have any PMP devices on >> my network. >> >> Now that I deploy any new Mikrotik wireless either, but if you can get to >> any Mikrotik device on that layer 2 segment, you can get to the rest. >> Router, AP, CPE, doesn't matter. >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> From: "Steve D via Af" mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]> >> mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]> >> To: "af" mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]> mailto:[email protected] >> <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 6:01:01 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy >> >> >> Mike, >> >> You sound like you're trying to excuse it for not being there instead of >> just embracing a good feature that works? Yes, there are ways around, BUT, >> the Canopy AP-SM proxy *just works*. No thinking about how to get to that >> SM is required, if you can get to the AP then you can get to the SM - end of >> story. >> >> -Steve D >> >> On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 8:37 AM, Mike Hammett via Af mailto:[email protected] >> <[email protected]> mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: >> Use the CLI to fix whatever's wrong with accessing the GUI? >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> From: "Bill Prince via Af" mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]> >> mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 10:34:41 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy >> >> >> Possibly a little simpler with similar results. It gets you a CLI on >> the target client. The proxy is nice because you can run the web gui. >> >> -- >> bp >> <part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com> >> >> On 12/18/2014 8:03 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: >> >> With Mikrotik you can mac-telnet or mac-winbox to anything on that >> layer 2 segment. That sounds more useful than this proxy. >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> From: "Vlad Sedov via >> Afmailto:[email protected]:[email protected]:Thursday,December18,20149:11:55AMSubject:Re:[AFMUG]ePMPproxyOnethingthatmakesitsobullet-proofonCanopy,istheinternalnetworkbetweentheAPandtheSMs(169.254.101.x)whichiswhatmakestheproxysosmooth.WithePMPandUBNT,you'restillatthemercyofhavingtherightIPaddresssetintheSMbeforeyoucanmanageit(evenwhenconnectingfromtheAP).WesorelymissthisfeatureinePMP,anditmakesNMSmappingamajorheadache..Wedon'tpre-mapSMsbeforetheygooutintothefield,sowithePMPs,IhavetocreateastaticARPentryforthe192.168.0.2addressintheclosestMikrotikrouter,andusetheTikproxytogetintotheSM..ChangeIP,deleteARP,rinse,repeat.Click-throughisacrueljokewithouttheproxy.Ireally,reallyhopeitgetsproperlyimplemented.VladOn12/18/20147:18AM,JoshLuthmanviaAfwrote:HowareyoudoingitwithUbnt?Can'tthesamebedonewithepmp?JoshLuthmanOffice:937-552-2340Direct:937-552-23431100WayneStSuite1337Troy,OH45373OnDec18,20148:06AM, >> >> <[email protected]:[email protected]:Thursday,December18,20149:11:55AMSubject:Re:[AFMUG]ePMPproxyOnethingthatmakesitsobullet-proofonCanopy,istheinternalnetworkbetweentheAPandtheSMs(169.254.101.x)whichiswhatmakestheproxysosmooth.WithePMPandUBNT,you'restillatthemercyofhavingtherightIPaddresssetintheSMbeforeyoucanmanageit(evenwhenconnectingfromtheAP).WesorelymissthisfeatureinePMP,anditmakesNMSmappingamajorheadache..Wedon'tpre-mapSMsbeforetheygooutintothefield,sowithePMPs,IhavetocreateastaticARPentryforthe192.168.0.2addressintheclosestMikrotikrouter,andusetheTikproxytogetintotheSM..ChangeIP,deleteARP,rinse,repeat.Click-throughisacrueljokewithouttheproxy.Ireally,reallyhopeitgetsproperlyimplemented.VladOn12/18/20147:18AM,JoshLuthmanviaAfwrote:HowareyoudoingitwithUbnt?Can'tthesamebedonewithepmp?JoshLuthmanOffice:937-552-2340Direct:937-552-23431100WayneStSuite1337Troy,OH45373OnDec18,20148:06AM,> >> >> mailto:[email protected]:[email protected]:Thursday,December18,20149:11:55AMSubject:Re:[AFMUG]ePMPproxyOnethingthatmakesitsobullet-proofonCanopy,istheinternalnetworkbetweentheAPandtheSMs(169.254.101.x)whichiswhatmakestheproxysosmooth.WithePMPandUBNT,you'restillatthemercyofhavingtherightIPaddresssetintheSMbeforeyoucanmanageit(evenwhenconnectingfromtheAP).WesorelymissthisfeatureinePMP,anditmakesNMSmappingamajorheadache..Wedon'tpre-mapSMsbeforetheygooutintothefield,sowithePMPs,IhavetocreateastaticARPentryforthe192.168.0.2addressintheclosestMikrotikrouter,andusetheTikproxytogetintotheSM..ChangeIP,deleteARP,rinse,repeat.Click-throughisacrueljokewithouttheproxy.Ireally,reallyhopeitgetsproperlyimplemented.VladOn12/18/20147:18AM,JoshLuthmanviaAfwrote:HowareyoudoingitwithUbnt?Can'tthesamebedonewithepmp?JoshLuthmanOffice:937-552-2340Direct:937-552-23431100WayneStSuite1337Troy,OH45373OnDec18,20148:06AM, >> >> <[email protected]:[email protected]:Thursday,December18,20149:11:55AMSubject:Re:[AFMUG]ePMPproxyOnethingthatmakesitsobullet-proofonCanopy,istheinternalnetworkbetweentheAPandtheSMs(169.254.101.x)whichiswhatmakestheproxysosmooth.WithePMPandUBNT,you'restillatthemercyofhavingtherightIPaddresssetintheSMbeforeyoucanmanageit(evenwhenconnectingfromtheAP).WesorelymissthisfeatureinePMP,anditmakesNMSmappingamajorheadache..Wedon'tpre-mapSMsbeforetheygooutintothefield,sowithePMPs,IhavetocreateastaticARPentryforthe192.168.0.2addressintheclosestMikrotikrouter,andusetheTikproxytogetintotheSM..ChangeIP,deleteARP,rinse,repeat.Click-throughisacrueljokewithouttheproxy.Ireally,reallyhopeitgetsproperlyimplemented.VladOn12/18/20147:18AM,JoshLuthmanviaAfwrote:HowareyoudoingitwithUbnt?Can'tthesamebedonewithepmp?JoshLuthmanOffice:937-552-2340Direct:937-552-23431100WayneStSuite1337Troy,OH45373OnDec18,20148:06AM,>Mark >> Radabaugh via Af" mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]> mailto:[email protected] >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> For our install method proxy access (or some means of remote >> access to a minimally configured CPE) is a must have. The installers do NOT >> have to get out a computer or otherwise access the device. Power it up, >> point it at the tower, listen for signal, call the office for a signal >> quality check and go. Everything regarding CPE programming can be done >> remotely. >> >> This can be done with Ubnt as well by SSH to the AP's and then to >> the CPE but it's not as clean as Canopy. >> >> No way at all that I know of with ePMP. >> >> Mark >> >> >> On Dec 17, 2014, at 11:04 PM, Steve D via Af mailto:[email protected] >> <[email protected]> mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Use it all the time. Between it and installer color code field >> techs can't FUBAR an install. When our larger networks were vlan'd years >> ago that made the process super safe. >> One of the "best features" of the canopy platform in my book. >> It annoys me working on 802.11 crap when I see a tech has typo'd something >> like an IP or vlan. >> On Dec 17, 2014 7:30 PM, "Bill Prince via Af" >> mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]> mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Me too. >> >> I don't know how many times I've used it, but it's more than I >> have finger to count on. >> >> >> -- >> bp >> <part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com> >> >> On 12/17/2014 7:08 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: >> >> No, rather just have it. >> >> On 12/17/2014 9:07 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote: >> >> Rather have it and not need it then need it and not have >> it. >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> On Dec 17, 2014 9:55 PM, "Mike Hammett via Af" >> mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]> mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I used it a couple times on my Canopy gear, but it was >> never a show-stopper to not have it. >> >> This brings me to a new post... >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> From: "George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af" >> mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]> mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:30:14 PM >> Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy >> >> OK Cambium ePMP dudes and chicks, I am disappointed. I >> thought you guys >> had Canopy-like SM "click-thru" access, aka LUID proxy. >> But this is not >> the case on 2.3.3. All you give me is a URL with the IP >> of the SM. >> Informational helpful, yes, operationally helpful, no. >> >> I'm guessing you need an RF private network like exists >> on Canopy to >> make this work. Please do it. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >> software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> >>
