We either send out a site survey crew to talk to the customer, plan
mounting
position, cable run, and verify service level the customer wants -- then
send out a setup crew a few days later with pre-provisioned gear and
pictures of everything..
Or we do a site/survey setup, with a nbm5-25, rm5+RG30, single angle
tripod, tripod, 5/10 ft poles, u arms, nbem2, rm2+rd, and maybe a few
scattered nanostations.
Our office takes care of provisioning everybody out in our traffic
shaper, dhcp, any custom routes, etc in about 10 minutes (general office
staff).
Some of that stuff will change as we continue to move forward with
powercode
+ procera though.
josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com>
On 12/18/2014 05:38 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
Even at a much lower install per day rate than Mark’s, I sometimes have
an installer out with 3 different radios for a given install. This week we had
one that was going to be either 450 in 3.65, 450 in 5.7, or FSK in 2.4.
Meanwhile I’m at another site with my laptop playing the role of the NOC guy.
I am logged into the sessions page of the APs, waiting for a new session to pop
up at the bottom of the list. When that happens, I check the signal and run a
linktest. If the numbers look good, I tell the installer when he calls,
meanwhile I’m putting an IP address on the new SM, putting the customer’s name
on the SNMP page, and configuring anything special like high priority CIR or
uplink/downlink sustained rates. Same routine if I have a guy out on a
maintenance call and he’s pulling a spare or takedown SM from the van to use as
replacement. Even if I had a fancy billing system like Mike has to let me
click on the customer’s name on a map, t
his would
not be set up yet in these cases.
From: Mark Radabaugh via Af
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 8:08 PM
To:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy
Because we install 10, 15, sometimes 20 CPE a day. It's a pain in the
ass having to McGiver your way into them every time. Sure we auto-configure a
lot of it, but there are still have to get into them to look at signal strength
and such during the install or when troubleshooting.
Mark
On Dec 18, 2014, at 8:11 PM, Mike Hammett via Afmailto:[email protected]
mailto:[email protected] wrote:
Why do you need to access CPE that aren't directly accessible
multiple times a day?
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: "Ken Hohhof via Af"mailto:[email protected] mailto:[email protected]
To:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 7:06:44 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy
But I don’t think he’s talking how a skilled person could MacGyver
it, but rather a session list right there in the GUI with every subscriber
listed by name, and you click on the name and shazzam, you are logged into that
SM.
Like one of many things that pisses me off about my $10K Purewave
basestation is you can see a list of CPE MAC addresses by subscriber name, but
if you want to see any stats or change the config for that subscriber, you have
to find him by his MAC address, not by name. The expensive piece of crap
equipment has all the information to make your life easy, but no, it acts like
a glorified MIB browser. They even rolled out an NMS that I assumed would add
this level of intelligence, but no.
So yes in a pinch you could probably get there through some MAC
telnet tricks. But with the AP proxy feature, it’s one click and boom. If you
don’t find it useful, fine. Most of us use it multiple times every day. It’s
a cool feature.
From: Mathew Howard via Af
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 6:50 PM
To:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy
If there's a mac-telnet package out there for linux, you kind of
have to wonder why it isn't already in airOS... and ePMP, for that matter. it
seems like it would be pretty simple to add and incredibly useful.
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From: Af [[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>] on behalf
of Mike Hammett via Af [[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 6:45 PM
To:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy
I never really had a need for it. I now no longer have any PMP
devices on my network.
Now that I deploy any new Mikrotik wireless either, but if you can
get to any Mikrotik device on that layer 2 segment, you can get to the rest.
Router, AP, CPE, doesn't matter.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: "Steve D via Af"mailto:[email protected] mailto:[email protected]
To: "af"mailto:[email protected] mailto:[email protected]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 6:01:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy
Mike,
You sound like you're trying to excuse it for not being there
instead of just embracing a good feature that works? Yes, there are ways
around, BUT, the Canopy AP-SM proxy *just works*. No thinking about how to get
to that SM is required, if you can get to the AP then you can get to the SM -
end of story.
-Steve D
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 8:37 AM, Mike Hammett via
Afmailto:[email protected] mailto:[email protected] wrote:
Use the CLI to fix whatever's wrong with accessing the GUI?
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: "Bill Prince via Af"mailto:[email protected] mailto:[email protected]
To:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 10:34:41 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy
Possibly a little simpler with similar results. It gets you a CLI
on the target client. The proxy is nice because you can run the web gui.
--
bp
<part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com>
On 12/18/2014 8:03 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:
With Mikrotik you can mac-telnet or mac-winbox to anything on
that layer 2 segment. That sounds more useful than this proxy.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: "Vlad Sedov via
Afmailto:[email protected]:[email protected]:Thursday,December18,20149:11:55AMSubject:Re:[AFMUG]ePMPproxyOnethingthatmakesitsobullet-proofonCanopy,istheinternalnetworkbetweentheAPandtheSMs(169.254.101.x)whichiswhatmakestheproxysosmooth.WithePMPandUBNT,you'restillatthemercyofhavingtherightIPaddresssetintheSMbeforeyoucanmanageit(evenwhenconnectingfromtheAP).WesorelymissthisfeatureinePMP,anditmakesNMSmappingamajorheadache..Wedon'tpre-mapSMsbeforetheygooutintothefield,sowithePMPs,IhavetocreateastaticARPentryforthe192.168.0.2addressintheclosestMikrotikrouter,andusetheTikproxytogetintotheSM..ChangeIP,deleteARP,rinse,repeat.Click-throughisacrueljokewithouttheproxy.Ireally,reallyhopeitgetsproperlyimplemented.VladOn12/18/20147:18AM,JoshLuthmanviaAfwrote:HowareyoudoingitwithUbnt?Can'tthesamebedonewithepmp?JoshLuthmanOffice:937-552-2340Direct:937-552-23431100WayneStSuite1337Troy,OH45373OnDec18,20148:06AM,
<mailto:[email protected]:[email protected]:Thursday,December18,20149:11:55AMSubject:Re:[AFMUG]ePMPproxyOnethingthatmakesitsobullet-proofonCanopy,istheinternalnetworkbetweentheAPandtheSMs%28169.254.101.x%29whichiswhatmakestheproxysosmooth.WithePMPandUBNT,you%27restillatthemercyofhavingtherightIPaddresssetintheSMbeforeyoucanmanageit%28evenwhenconnectingfromtheAP%29.WesorelymissthisfeatureinePMP,anditmakesNMSmappingamajorheadache..Wedon%27tpre-mapSMsbeforetheygooutintothefield,sowithePMPs,IhavetocreateastaticARPentryforthe192.168.0.2addressintheclosestMikrotikrouter,andusetheTikproxytogetintotheSM..ChangeIP,deleteARP,rinse,repeat.Click-throughisacrueljokewithouttheproxy.Ireally,reallyhopeitgetsproperlyimplemented.VladOn12/18/20147:18AM,JoshLuthmanviaAfwrote:HowareyoudoingitwithUbnt?Can%27tthesamebedonewithepmp?JoshLuthmanOffice:937-552-2340Direct:937-552-23431100WayneStSuite1337Troy,OH45373OnDec18,20148:06AM,>
mailto:[email protected]:[email protected]:Thursday,December18,20149:11:55AMSubject:Re:[AFMUG]ePMPproxyOnethingthatmakesitsobullet-proofonCanopy,istheinternalnetworkbetweentheAPandtheSMs(169.254.101.x)whichiswhatmakestheproxysosmooth.WithePMPandUBNT,you'restillatthemercyofhavingtherightIPaddresssetintheSMbeforeyoucanmanageit(evenwhenconnectingfromtheAP).WesorelymissthisfeatureinePMP,anditmakesNMSmappingamajorheadache..Wedon'tpre-mapSMsbeforetheygooutintothefield,sowithePMPs,IhavetocreateastaticARPentryforthe192.168.0.2addressintheclosestMikrotikrouter,andusetheTikproxytogetintotheSM..ChangeIP,deleteARP,rinse,repeat.Click-throughisacrueljokewithouttheproxy.Ireally,reallyhopeitgetsproperlyimplemented.VladOn12/18/20147:18AM,JoshLuthmanviaAfwrote:HowareyoudoingitwithUbnt?Can'tthesamebedonewithepmp?JoshLuthmanOffice:937-552-2340Direct:937-552-23431100WayneStSuite1337Troy,OH45373OnDec18,20148:06AM,
<mailto:[email protected]:[email protected]:Thursday,December18,20149:11:55AMSubject:Re:[AFMUG]ePMPproxyOnethingthatmakesitsobullet-proofonCanopy,istheinternalnetworkbetweentheAPandtheSMs%28169.254.101.x%29whichiswhatmakestheproxysosmooth.WithePMPandUBNT,you%27restillatthemercyofhavingtherightIPaddresssetintheSMbeforeyoucanmanageit%28evenwhenconnectingfromtheAP%29.WesorelymissthisfeatureinePMP,anditmakesNMSmappingamajorheadache..Wedon%27tpre-mapSMsbeforetheygooutintothefield,sowithePMPs,IhavetocreateastaticARPentryforthe192.168.0.2addressintheclosestMikrotikrouter,andusetheTikproxytogetintotheSM..ChangeIP,deleteARP,rinse,repeat.Click-throughisacrueljokewithouttheproxy.Ireally,reallyhopeitgetsproperlyimplemented.VladOn12/18/20147:18AM,JoshLuthmanviaAfwrote:HowareyoudoingitwithUbnt?Can%27tthesamebedonewithepmp?JoshLuthmanOffice:937-552-2340Direct:937-552-23431100WayneStSuite1337Troy,OH45373OnDec18,20148:06AM,>Mark
Radabaugh via Af"mailto:[email protected] mailto:[email protected] wrote:
For our install method proxy access (or some means of remote
access to a minimally configured CPE) is a must have. The installers do NOT
have to get out a computer or otherwise access the device. Power it up, point
it at the tower, listen for signal, call the office for a signal quality check
and go. Everything regarding CPE programming can be done remotely.
This can be done with Ubnt as well by SSH to the AP's and
then to the CPE but it's not as clean as Canopy.
No way at all that I know of with ePMP.
Mark
On Dec 17, 2014, at 11:04 PM, Steve D via
Afmailto:[email protected] mailto:[email protected] wrote:
Use it all the time. Between it and installer color code
field techs can't FUBAR an install. When our larger networks were vlan'd years
ago that made the process super safe.
One of the "best features" of the canopy platform in my
book. It annoys me working on 802.11 crap when I see a tech has typo'd something like an
IP or vlan.
On Dec 17, 2014 7:30 PM, "Bill Prince via
Af"mailto:[email protected] mailto:[email protected] wrote:
Me too.
I don't know how many times I've used it, but it's more
than I have finger to count on.
--
bp
<part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com>
On 12/17/2014 7:08 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote:
No, rather just have it.
On 12/17/2014 9:07 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:
Rather have it and not need it then need it and not
have it.
Josh Luthman
Office:937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
Direct:937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 17, 2014 9:55 PM, "Mike Hammett via
Af"mailto:[email protected] mailto:[email protected] wrote:
I used it a couple times on my Canopy gear, but it
was never a show-stopper to not have it.
This brings me to a new post...
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: "George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via
Af"mailto:[email protected] mailto:[email protected]
To:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:30:14 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy
OK Cambium ePMP dudes and chicks, I am
disappointed. I thought you guys
had Canopy-like SM "click-thru" access, aka LUID
proxy. But this is not
the case on 2.3.3. All you give me is a URL with
the IP of the SM.
Informational helpful, yes, operationally helpful,
no.
I'm guessing you need an RF private network like
exists on Canopy to
make this work. Please do it.
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