So where do you draw the line? Eat a cheeseburger for lunch, get
suspended. Go skydiving, well you're risking our insurance you're
fired. Too old? Fired.
What happened to America, land of the free?
On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
The tobacco issue is not a-personal-off-hours recreational
thing for me. If you want health insurance, no tobacco. Not
saying you will get fired for using tobacco.
We were self insured. We did not want to have to pay for
health issues caused by smoking tobacco. Cannot legally
mandate BMI (yet) or other unhealthy things but you can pick
on the smokers. It was not an employment issue, it was an
insurance issue.
Drug use is an employment issue. But recreational alcohol use
is a personal rights thing as far as I am concerned. Tobacco
is too but I can point to many more smoking caused lung
cancer deaths among family and friends than I can alcoholism
related deaths. Pot is somewhere in between. Pot smokers
probably don’t suck down 5 packs equivalent a day... Not
sure how much pot it takes to cause the same amount of lung
cancer in a population as tobacco does.
Kinda a mess trying to keep from regulating peoples lives
balanced with protecting the business and your pocketbook.
What is a drug? Alcohol certainly could be considered a
drug... Why can you use alcohol and not pot or anything
else. Dang, I should have taken that minor in philosophy...
*From:* That One Guy <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2015 1:03 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Random drug Testing for
employee/Installer ?
he will also get a dui conviction in many states.
There are people who have been terminated for failing drug
screens when visiting other countries where the laws are
different.
It will be a simple matter in locales where its still
illegal, just as it is with that.
But like chucks no nicotine policy, which is great, the
employer should always be able to mandate the staff they have.
The whole pot battle is a joke, framing it as medicine, there
are very few proven conditions where it is any more
beneficial than controlled substances already available on
the market. Call it what it is, seeking the end of
prohibition of a recreational drug. (rant)
We have the top scientists and researchers at our disposal.
As it progresses to a more likely state in the near future of
pure legalization, they will find a method for testing for
intoxication similar to BAC with the booze.
On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Josh Reynolds
<j...@spitwspots.com <mailto:j...@spitwspots.com>> wrote:
This is going to get interest over the next couple of
years when it comes to marijuana.
Many places are looking to legalize for recreational use.
The problem is testing and liability. Lots of systems
will have to change.
For instance, there is currently no good known method to
tell if someone is under the influence of marijuana other
than a field sobriety test, and even those can be argued
in court (if my understanding of this is correct, I just
talked to a local detective yesterday while getting
fingerprinted for a state security clearance).
Billy Bob comes into work in Anchorage, AK or Denver, CO.
Goes through his day, everything is fine. He sits in is
van at a stop light waiting for the light to turn green,
and BAM... rear end collision from some a-hole behind
him. Many company policies will force him to go get drug
tested. He fails the test for marijuana, yet it is legal
in the state and there was no way to tell if he was under
the influence at the time of the incident.
--
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com>
On 03/11/2015 09:47 AM, Tushar Patel wrote:
Ok, will look for local company.
Tushar
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2015 11:37 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Random drug Testing for
employee/Installer ?
If you are asking about the mechanics of having the
testing done, you hire a local company that specializes
in the whole thing. They choose who needs to come in
and they do the tests. All you have to do is to tell the
employee when and were to report. And yeah, there is
clean pee out on the market that even comes with its own
little heater packet to get it up to body temp. I had no
idea until we found some on our company vehicles.
I also didn’t know until just now that hair sample
testing was available. Be good to tell them all you do
hair sample testing even if you don’t. I do regret
firing one kid that took a hit off of a joint at his
birthday party. I really don’t think he was a druggie
but I wrote the manual, I made the policy, and I let him
go when he pissed dirty. So think this through carefully
before you pull the trigger. If I had to do it again, I
would make an exception for pot. (Not tobacco though...)
*From:*Tushar Patel <mailto:tpa...@ecpi.com>
*Sent:*Wednesday, March 11, 2015 10:01 AM
*To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:*[AFMUG] Random drug Testing for
employee/Installer ?
Hi,
How do one go about implementing random drug testing for
installer/employee?
How many people do this?
Thanks,
Tushar
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If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't
see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as
part of the team.
