I think the most gain we've seen from commercial beam steering technology (Navini?) is about 10db... the laws of physics are quibe absolute, so "the way" is a dedicated 1-2ft dish for every client. On May 29, 2015 6:59 PM, "Brett A Mansfield" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I've heard this argument before. I respond the same way every time. Where > there is a will, there is a way. We just haven't found it yet. > > Thank you, > Brett A Mansfield > > On May 29, 2015, at 5:41 PM, Colin Stanners <[email protected]> wrote: > > 60 or 240ghz multipoint, with the massive signal loss due to not using > directional antennas, would have a reliable range of say 300ft? May be more > reasonable to string fiber, heck cat6 in most cases. > On May 29, 2015 5:49 PM, "Brett A Mansfield" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> 60 and 240GHz can make wireless in urban areas actually be able to >> compete with cable and maybe even fiber. >> >> Thank you, >> Brett A Mansfield >> >> On May 29, 2015, at 4:44 PM, Brett A Mansfield < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Id stay ahead of the curve. There is a LOT of spectrum out there going >> unused. For example, 60GHz and 240GHz. Yes they cannot go very far, but it >> seems none of the other high frequency stuff can either. And these are >> very high capacity. >> >> Thank you, >> Brett A Mansfield >> >> On May 29, 2015, at 4:39 PM, Rory Conaway <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Maybe you can explain what you would do different than all the other >> manufacturers that would solve the problem. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On >> Behalf Of *Brett A Mansfield >> *Sent:* Friday, May 29, 2015 3:33 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PTMP backhaul solution >> >> >> >> You don't need a lot of money to start manufacturing. You just need to >> know the right people. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Brett A Mansfield >> >> >> On May 29, 2015, at 4:28 PM, Jason McKemie < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> I hope you have a lot more money than most people here... >> >> >> >> On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Brett A Mansfield < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Yep, it sure does seem that way. I'm trying to think outside of the box, >> but every time I do I get back to the same place. Nothing I can do this >> with is on the market yet or never will be. I'm getting more and more >> tempted every day to start manufacturing my own stuff. I've already started >> looking into that. >> >> >> >> Anything you guys would like to see come to market? If I go into >> manufacturing I'm going to be all in. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Brett A Mansfield >> >> >> On May 29, 2015, at 4:19 PM, Rory Conaway <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> You need a different strategy. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On >> Behalf Of *Brett A Mansfield >> *Sent:* Friday, May 29, 2015 3:18 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PTMP backhaul solution >> >> >> >> You're very right about the 24GHz. I know several companies are working >> on something in 60GHz which would be ideal because it's not a very large >> area and can be daisy chained into a ring. 80GHz would be fine, but like >> you said nothing seems to exist. These CCS devices look great and might be >> exactly what I'm looking for. I just hope the price is right. They are 26 >> and 28GHz. But I think Vivint has a bit of a monopoly in my area with all >> of their 28GHz radios all over the place. I'm afraid the noise would be too >> much, even with the narrow beams. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Brett A Mansfield >> >> >> On May 29, 2015, at 4:13 PM, Mathew Howard <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I'm pretty sure the FCC doesn't allow PtMP in 24ghz. I don't know if >> anything exists for PtMP in 80ghz... or maybe 60ghz? >> >> It seems like the only real option here is 28ghz. >> >> >> >> On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Rory Conaway <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> You can buy spectrum in 28GHz and use Cambridge like Vivato does or >> depending on how many clients and range you are talking about, maybe >> something in 24 or 80GHz. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman >> *Sent:* Friday, May 29, 2015 2:58 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PTMP backhaul solution >> >> >> >> You know that's why they sync, right? You can have a whole lot of >> sync'ed APs/masters at the one site and as long as they're transmitting at >> the same time and the client/slave sites aren't nearing the different >> master's you'll be fine. >> >> >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> >> On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 5:49 PM, Brett A Mansfield < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> That is exactly what I'm looking for. I need something inexpensive >> comparatively and it needs to be PtMP. I could use airfibers if I could do >> PTP, but that would be FAR too many radios in one location competing for >> airtime. >> >> >> >> Josh, I currently use 3.65, but I need high capacity. 80Mb at best is not >> near enough. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Brett A Mansfield >> >> >> On May 29, 2015, at 3:44 PM, Daniel White <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> You’re looking for licensed PtMP backhaul? >> >> >> >> If that is the case, then CCS has a 28GHz offering with StraightPath. >> But not sure what you’re looking at price wise. You may just investigate >> multiple 23GHz shots or something similar depending on distance. >> >> >> >> Just want to make sure the request is clear. >> >> >> >> >> *************************************************************************** >> >> Daniel White - Managing Director >> >> SAF North America LLC >> >> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 >> >> [email protected] >> >> Skype: danieldwhite >> Social: LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84> >> >> >> >> >> *************************************************************************** >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On >> Behalf Of *Brett A Mansfield >> *Sent:* Friday, May 29, 2015 3:42 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PTMP backhaul solution >> >> >> >> I'm looking for backhaul. Anything in 2.4 or 5GHz won't work. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Brett A Mansfield >> >> >> On May 29, 2015, at 3:35 PM, Josh Luthman <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> EPMP and maybe Ubnt AC >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On May 29, 2015 5:32 PM, "Brett A Mansfield" < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> I'm looking for the best high capacity and low cost PTMP solution. This >> is for my backhauls to distribute to smaller cells in a large area. Anyone >> know of something that fits this description? >> >> Thank you, >> Brett A Mansfield >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> [image: Avast logo] <http://www.avast.com/> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
