Oh boy, now you are really going to agitate the great spaghetti monster in the sky :-/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster -Sean On Tuesday, December 8, 2015, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: > <grin> > > *From:* Paul McCall <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 08, 2015 1:59 PM > *To:* [email protected] <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy > and why > > > The conversation was me asking for what type of guns people preferred for > CCW J - the title reads “which to buy and why” > > > > Seemed like a reasonable thing to ask of people I respect > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>] *On Behalf Of *Patrick > Leary > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 08, 2015 3:01 PM > *To:* [email protected] <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy > and why > > > > “. But in retrospect I see what your original statement was, and you are > correct, it is, in fact pathetic that this conversation needs to take > place. We are not a civil society, its pathetic we are arrogant enough to > kid ourselves about that.” > > > > Bingo. Thank you for your reading comprehension. Others read it and came > claiming I called members pathetic, which is not possibly a correct > interpretation given the simple and unambiguous sentence I wrote. > Comprehension is a problem in this country. As I make clear to my kids, > calling an action they may do “foolish” or “dumb,” is not even remotely the > same as calling them foolish or dumb. I find it distressing that adults > confuse the difference. > > > > As well, maybe some read the word “pathetic,” but have no sense of its > authentic definition, instead thinking it a personal insult, akin to > calling another a “loser!” > > > > pa·thet·ic > > pəˈTHedik/ > > *adjective* > > adjective: *pathetic* > > 1. *1*. > > arousing pity, especially through vulnerability or sadness. > > "she looked so pathetic that I bent down to comfort her" > > synonyms: > > pitiful > <https://www.google.com/search?sa=X&biw=1536&bih=722&q=define+pitiful&ved=0ahUKEwjqqJzuhc3JAhXHPiYKHRITA8sQ_SoIHTAA>, > pitiable > <https://www.google.com/search?sa=X&biw=1536&bih=722&q=define+pitiable&ved=0ahUKEwjqqJzuhc3JAhXHPiYKHRITA8sQ_SoIHjAA>, > piteous > <https://www.google.com/search?sa=X&biw=1536&bih=722&q=define+piteous&ved=0ahUKEwjqqJzuhc3JAhXHPiYKHRITA8sQ_SoIHzAA>, > moving > <https://www.google.com/search?sa=X&biw=1536&bih=722&q=define+moving&ved=0ahUKEwjqqJzuhc3JAhXHPiYKHRITA8sQ_SoIIDAA>, > touching > <https://www.google.com/search?sa=X&biw=1536&bih=722&q=define+touching&ved=0ahUKEwjqqJzuhc3JAhXHPiYKHRITA8sQ_SoIITAA>, > poignant > <https://www.google.com/search?sa=X&biw=1536&bih=722&q=define+poignant&ved=0ahUKEwjqqJzuhc3JAhXHPiYKHRITA8sQ_SoIIjAA>, > plaintive > <https://www.google.com/search?sa=X&biw=1536&bih=722&q=define+plaintive&ved=0ahUKEwjqqJzuhc3JAhXHPiYKHRITA8sQ_SoIIzAA>, > distressing > <https://www.google.com/search?sa=X&biw=1536&bih=722&q=define+distressing&ved=0ahUKEwjqqJzuhc3JAhXHPiYKHRITA8sQ_SoIJDAA>, > upsetting, heartbreaking > <https://www.google.com/search?sa=X&biw=1536&bih=722&q=define+heartbreaking&ved=0ahUKEwjqqJzuhc3JAhXHPiYKHRITA8sQ_SoIJTAA>, > heart-rending > <https://www.google.com/search?sa=X&biw=1536&bih=722&q=define+heart-rending&ved=0ahUKEwjqqJzuhc3JAhXHPiYKHRITA8sQ_SoIJjAA>, > harrowing > <https://www.google.com/search?sa=X&biw=1536&bih=722&q=define+harrowing&ved=0ahUKEwjqqJzuhc3JAhXHPiYKHRITA8sQ_SoIJzAA>, > wretched > <https://www.google.com/search?sa=X&biw=1536&bih=722&q=define+wretched&ved=0ahUKEwjqqJzuhc3JAhXHPiYKHRITA8sQ_SoIKDAA>, > forlorn > <https://www.google.com/search?sa=X&biw=1536&bih=722&q=define+forlorn&ved=0ahUKEwjqqJzuhc3JAhXHPiYKHRITA8sQ_SoIKTAA> > > "a pathetic groan" > > > > Cheers, > > > > - Patrick > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>] *On Behalf Of *That > One Guy /sarcasm > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2015 2:23 PM > *To:* [email protected] <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy > and why > > > > Why am I getting left out? > > > > I have no doubt the majority of people would not perform as heroically as > they anticipate they would. But better to fail than be a victim. With that, > however should come a great deal of responsibility, first and foremost, you > are responsible for your own actions. If you try to be a hero, and you > shoot a bystander, be prepared for the consequence. If you try to be a > hero, and you are shot by a responding professional, that is also a > consequence of being a shooter in an active shooter situation. > > > > I would venture a guess there are alot of shootings that happen where a > CCW holder was present that you dont hear about because when push came to > shove, they stayed holstered and fled, as it should be. But once again, > better to have the option to defend and choose not to use it than to have > no option aside from being a victim. > > > > The US has too many vague interpretations of freedom, that is why it is so > dangerous here. You could arm every person with a howitzer and a sword, it > would be no more dangerous. Our criminals are entitled punks. They know > that our prison systems are not gulags or work camps, The expenditures from > our correctional systems on entertainment alone is astounding, and we no > longer offer reform or re-education, our sentencing guidelines are such > that it is a better gamble to shoot first than leave witnesses. > > > > We have an abused welfare system that has become a generational lifestyle > and are not allowed to empower those who live in it for fear of > repercussions of some form of discrimination. We have systems in place to > specifically train those most at risk for criminality to hate those who > succeed as being thieves of entitlements. Those at risk are further chained > by inherent beliefs within their communities that trying to change for the > better is selling out from what is real. > > > > Then, we have the lunatics, whos actions are treated as common, when in > reality they are so few and far between they barely even account for any > measurable component of the criminality in this country. Lunatics, you > truly can do little for, whether it be lunacy in ones religion or political > beliefs, or just fucking nuts, they will do what they do when they do it > without any warning that doesnt require hindsight. Mass shootings should > be the least of anyone's concern. We have yet to have a mass shooting in > the country that beats the average week in our major cities. > > > > Whether something is listed as terrorism, mental illness, or a hate crime > is what our country focuses on, not what the underlying issue is that > brings it out, criminality. > > > > Between the overbearing reach of our federal, state and local government > into our personal lives and the lack of any actual meaningful approach to > limit, hinder, or avoid criminality in the United States, there really is > no limit to the need for bigger, better, faster, more firepower among the > general population. Because at the end of the day the United State is a > selfish nation, and no matter how much cuckolding to the government we > portray, or communal love for our fellow man we present, it is in reality > every man for himself here, and dont let anyone ever fool you about that. > > > > So really, given what the United States really is, and not what we > present, it is irresponsible to not be prepared. But in retrospect I see > what your original statement was, and you are correct, it is, in fact > pathetic that this conversation needs to take place. We are not a civil > society, its pathetic we are arrogant enough to kid ourselves about that. > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Patrick Leary <[email protected] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote: > > You describe the main reason I own one. I work from home, and not far from > a janky area and what you describe is a potential problem. I don’t carry > though. I also have a large, scary dog. > > > > - Patrick > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>] *On Behalf Of *Chuck > Hogg > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2015 12:33 PM > *To:* [email protected] <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy > and why > > > > I regularly carry my KelTec P3AT, looks like a cell phone in my pocket. > It doesn't have a safety, but I don't carry it with a round chambered. I'm > in a pretty rural farming area, and there are a lot of migrant workers. > With that has brought more burglary type of crime. The standard to do is > go knock on all the doors. If nobody answers, they break in. My office is > in the front of my house, and I have had this encounter 4 times since > living there about 9 years. The last 2 times I have walked out gun in > hand. It's interesting, they only turn around and don't even get out of > the car. I know what they are there for and so do they. I also have > cameras all over my property, so I know when people come and go. > > > Regards, > Chuck > > > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Christopher Tyler < > [email protected] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote: > > It's not a US thing... > > http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777958.html > > -- > Christopher Tyler > MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE > Total Highspeed Internet Services > 417.851.1107 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sean Heskett" <[email protected] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> > To: [email protected] <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> > Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 8:42:11 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and > why > > Sometimes I just like stirring the pot ;) > > I'm not saying one way is better or worse. BUT our current system > obviously seems to be failing because we are the only 1st world country > with a mass shooting problem of this magnitude. > > -Sean > > On Monday, December 7, 2015, George Skorup <[email protected] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote: > > > So then you'll take your guns to the police or sheriff and tell them you > > don't need them anymore? > > > > On 12/7/2015 9:43 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: > > > > Australia had a gun problem...until it didn't anymore. > > > > Just sayin > > > > -Sean > > > > > > On Monday, December 7, 2015, Chuck McCown < > > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>');>[email protected] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> > > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>');>> wrote: > > > >> On the assault rifle issue, are we just arguing about magazine size? > >> > >> Or does it need a handle on top and a pistol grip? > >> How does a BAR differ from an AR? Assuming they are the same caliber. > >> BAR is OK because it only shoots deer, but the AR is for shooting > people? > >> Wood stock good, green metal and plastic bad? > >> > >> Semi automatic deer hunting rifles are OK, right? > >> > >> Is this a distinction without a difference? > >> > >> *From:* Sean Heskett > >> *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2015 3:31 PM > >> *To:* [email protected] <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> > > >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy > >> and why > >> > >> i have a Glock23 .40cal works great but it's not quite a "conceal carry" > >> size. I have it (unloaded and trigger locked) in my survival pack that > >> stays in my airplane incase of an emergency landing in the back country > ;-) > >> > >> i'm also a Progressive Libtard (registered independent) that thinks we > >> should ban assault rifles and large magazines just as we have banned > hand > >> grenades, bombs, rocket launchers and other military style/grade > weapons. > >> I've had my Hunter's safety card since I was 12 and I also went to high > >> school next to Columbine in CO. My younger sister had friends who died > in > >> the attack. > >> > >> 2 cents. > >> > >> -Sean > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:01 PM, James Howard <[email protected] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> > >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>');>> wrote: > >> > >>> It wasn’t just the backstrap that bothered me. Mostly the diamond > >>> pattern just didn’t feel good in my hands. I just did a bit of > looking now > >>> though and it looks like there are some options for fixing that. I > might > >>> have to look into them again. I really like the Sig P938 so far > though. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> I missed your comment about Glock fanboys. Shocking we haven’t had any > >>> so far but the thread devolved into politics from a simple question of > what > >>> brand/model of pistol we like. For the record, I’ve yet to meet a > Glock > >>> that I’d want to own. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>] *On Behalf Of > *Josh Reynolds > >>> *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2015 11:08 AM > >>> *To:* [email protected] <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>');> > >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy > >>> and why > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> XDS has replaceable grip backstraps. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:04 AM, James Howard <[email protected] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> > >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>');>> wrote: > >>> > >>> Sig P938 is 9mm and almost exactly the same size as a P238. I’ve got > >>> the SAS model (anti snag). I’ve also got a S&W M&P Shield in 9mm and > have > >>> looked at the Springfield XDS many times. I just can’t get over the > fact > >>> that I don’t like the grips on the XDS. Prime reason to go with the > XDS is > >>> that you can get it in 45ACP. There are a lot of cheaper brands out > there > >>> too. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> If you have a place where you can do it, go and test fire all the > >>> different options. My father-in-law bought a Glock 36 because several > >>> people told him how great they were. The problem is that it doesn’t > fit > >>> his hand well at all and the trigger digs into his finger so he shoots > >>> terrible with it. His accuracy is greatly improved using my M&P > Shield. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> No matter what you get though. A major key to carrying it safely is > >>> practice and being comfortable with it. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> > >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>');>] *On Behalf Of > *Simon > >>> Westlake > >>> *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2015 10:09 AM > >>> *To:* [email protected] <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>');> > >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy > >>> and why > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > >>> That was one thing I forgot to mention with the P238.. it has a manual > >>> safety as well, if that's important to you. 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