FSM +1 On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 2:47 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yeezus is an abomination. Cheesewiz, now there is a worthy saviour > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > >> Or Yeezus? >> >> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 08, 2015 2:07 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - which religion should I join (was which gun >> toby)... >> >> jebus and only jebus >> >> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >> >>> <grin> >>> >>> *From:* Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 08, 2015 1:59 PM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy >>> and why >>> >>> >>> The conversation was me asking for what type of guns people preferred >>> for CCW J - the title reads “which to buy and why” >>> >>> >>> >>> Seemed like a reasonable thing to ask of people I respect >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Patrick Leary >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 08, 2015 3:01 PM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy >>> and why >>> >>> >>> >>> “. But in retrospect I see what your original statement was, and you >>> are correct, it is, in fact pathetic that this conversation needs to take >>> place. We are not a civil society, its pathetic we are arrogant enough to >>> kid ourselves about that.” >>> >>> >>> >>> Bingo. Thank you for your reading comprehension. Others read it and came >>> claiming I called members pathetic, which is not possibly a correct >>> interpretation given the simple and unambiguous sentence I wrote. >>> Comprehension is a problem in this country. As I make clear to my kids, >>> calling an action they may do “foolish” or “dumb,” is not even remotely the >>> same as calling them foolish or dumb. I find it distressing that adults >>> confuse the difference. >>> >>> >>> >>> As well, maybe some read the word “pathetic,” but have no sense of its >>> authentic definition, instead thinking it a personal insult, akin to >>> calling another a “loser!” >>> >>> >>> >>> pa·thet·ic >>> >>> pəˈTHedik/ >>> >>> *adjective* >>> >>> adjective: *pathetic* >>> >>> 1. *1*. >>> >>> arousing pity, especially through vulnerability or sadness. >>> >>> "she looked so pathetic that I bent down to comfort her" >>> >>> synonyms: >>> >>> pitiful >>> <https://www.google.com/search?sa=X&biw=1536&bih=722&q=define+pitiful&ved=0ahUKEwjqqJzuhc3JAhXHPiYKHRITA8sQ_SoIHTAA>, >>> pitiable >>> <https://www.google.com/search?sa=X&biw=1536&bih=722&q=define+pitiable&ved=0ahUKEwjqqJzuhc3JAhXHPiYKHRITA8sQ_SoIHjAA>, >>> piteous >>> <https://www.google.com/search?sa=X&biw=1536&bih=722&q=define+piteous&ved=0ahUKEwjqqJzuhc3JAhXHPiYKHRITA8sQ_SoIHzAA>, >>> moving >>> <https://www.google.com/search?sa=X&biw=1536&bih=722&q=define+moving&ved=0ahUKEwjqqJzuhc3JAhXHPiYKHRITA8sQ_SoIIDAA>, >>> touching >>> <https://www.google.com/search?sa=X&biw=1536&bih=722&q=define+touching&ved=0ahUKEwjqqJzuhc3JAhXHPiYKHRITA8sQ_SoIITAA>, >>> poignant >>> <https://www.google.com/search?sa=X&biw=1536&bih=722&q=define+poignant&ved=0ahUKEwjqqJzuhc3JAhXHPiYKHRITA8sQ_SoIIjAA>, >>> plaintive >>> <https://www.google.com/search?sa=X&biw=1536&bih=722&q=define+plaintive&ved=0ahUKEwjqqJzuhc3JAhXHPiYKHRITA8sQ_SoIIzAA>, >>> distressing >>> <https://www.google.com/search?sa=X&biw=1536&bih=722&q=define+distressing&ved=0ahUKEwjqqJzuhc3JAhXHPiYKHRITA8sQ_SoIJDAA>, >>> upsetting, heartbreaking >>> <https://www.google.com/search?sa=X&biw=1536&bih=722&q=define+heartbreaking&ved=0ahUKEwjqqJzuhc3JAhXHPiYKHRITA8sQ_SoIJTAA>, >>> heart-rending >>> <https://www.google.com/search?sa=X&biw=1536&bih=722&q=define+heart-rending&ved=0ahUKEwjqqJzuhc3JAhXHPiYKHRITA8sQ_SoIJjAA>, >>> harrowing >>> <https://www.google.com/search?sa=X&biw=1536&bih=722&q=define+harrowing&ved=0ahUKEwjqqJzuhc3JAhXHPiYKHRITA8sQ_SoIJzAA>, >>> wretched >>> <https://www.google.com/search?sa=X&biw=1536&bih=722&q=define+wretched&ved=0ahUKEwjqqJzuhc3JAhXHPiYKHRITA8sQ_SoIKDAA>, >>> forlorn >>> <https://www.google.com/search?sa=X&biw=1536&bih=722&q=define+forlorn&ved=0ahUKEwjqqJzuhc3JAhXHPiYKHRITA8sQ_SoIKTAA> >>> >>> "a pathetic groan" >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> >>> >>> - Patrick >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On >>> Behalf Of *That One Guy /sarcasm >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2015 2:23 PM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy >>> and why >>> >>> >>> >>> Why am I getting left out? >>> >>> >>> >>> I have no doubt the majority of people would not perform as heroically >>> as they anticipate they would. But better to fail than be a victim. With >>> that, however should come a great deal of responsibility, first and >>> foremost, you are responsible for your own actions. If you try to be a >>> hero, and you shoot a bystander, be prepared for the consequence. If you >>> try to be a hero, and you are shot by a responding professional, that is >>> also a consequence of being a shooter in an active shooter situation. >>> >>> >>> >>> I would venture a guess there are alot of shootings that happen where a >>> CCW holder was present that you dont hear about because when push came to >>> shove, they stayed holstered and fled, as it should be. But once again, >>> better to have the option to defend and choose not to use it than to have >>> no option aside from being a victim. >>> >>> >>> >>> The US has too many vague interpretations of freedom, that is why it is >>> so dangerous here. You could arm every person with a howitzer and a sword, >>> it would be no more dangerous. Our criminals are entitled punks. They know >>> that our prison systems are not gulags or work camps, The expenditures from >>> our correctional systems on entertainment alone is astounding, and we no >>> longer offer reform or re-education, our sentencing guidelines are such >>> that it is a better gamble to shoot first than leave witnesses. >>> >>> >>> >>> We have an abused welfare system that has become a generational >>> lifestyle and are not allowed to empower those who live in it for fear of >>> repercussions of some form of discrimination. We have systems in place to >>> specifically train those most at risk for criminality to hate those who >>> succeed as being thieves of entitlements. Those at risk are further chained >>> by inherent beliefs within their communities that trying to change for the >>> better is selling out from what is real. >>> >>> >>> >>> Then, we have the lunatics, whos actions are treated as common, when in >>> reality they are so few and far between they barely even account for any >>> measurable component of the criminality in this country. Lunatics, you >>> truly can do little for, whether it be lunacy in ones religion or political >>> beliefs, or just fucking nuts, they will do what they do when they do it >>> without any warning that doesnt require hindsight. Mass shootings should >>> be the least of anyone's concern. We have yet to have a mass shooting in >>> the country that beats the average week in our major cities. >>> >>> >>> >>> Whether something is listed as terrorism, mental illness, or a hate >>> crime is what our country focuses on, not what the underlying issue is that >>> brings it out, criminality. >>> >>> >>> >>> Between the overbearing reach of our federal, state and local government >>> into our personal lives and the lack of any actual meaningful approach to >>> limit, hinder, or avoid criminality in the United States, there really is >>> no limit to the need for bigger, better, faster, more firepower among the >>> general population. Because at the end of the day the United State is a >>> selfish nation, and no matter how much cuckolding to the government we >>> portray, or communal love for our fellow man we present, it is in reality >>> every man for himself here, and dont let anyone ever fool you about that. >>> >>> >>> >>> So really, given what the United States really is, and not what we >>> present, it is irresponsible to not be prepared. But in retrospect I see >>> what your original statement was, and you are correct, it is, in fact >>> pathetic that this conversation needs to take place. We are not a civil >>> society, its pathetic we are arrogant enough to kid ourselves about that. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Patrick Leary <patrick.le...@telrad.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> You describe the main reason I own one. I work from home, and not far >>> from a janky area and what you describe is a potential problem. I don’t >>> carry though. I also have a large, scary dog. >>> >>> >>> >>> - Patrick >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck Hogg >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2015 12:33 PM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy >>> and why >>> >>> >>> >>> I regularly carry my KelTec P3AT, looks like a cell phone in my pocket. >>> It doesn't have a safety, but I don't carry it with a round chambered. I'm >>> in a pretty rural farming area, and there are a lot of migrant workers. >>> With that has brought more burglary type of crime. The standard to do is >>> go knock on all the doors. If nobody answers, they break in. My office is >>> in the front of my house, and I have had this encounter 4 times since >>> living there about 9 years. The last 2 times I have walked out gun in >>> hand. It's interesting, they only turn around and don't even get out of >>> the car. I know what they are there for and so do they. I also have >>> cameras all over my property, so I know when people come and go. >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> Chuck >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Christopher Tyler < >>> ch...@totalhighspeed.net> wrote: >>> >>> It's not a US thing... >>> >>> http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777958.html >>> >>> -- >>> Christopher Tyler >>> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE >>> Total Highspeed Internet Services >>> 417.851.1107 >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us> >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 8:42:11 AM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and >>> why >>> >>> Sometimes I just like stirring the pot ;) >>> >>> I'm not saying one way is better or worse. BUT our current system >>> obviously seems to be failing because we are the only 1st world country >>> with a mass shooting problem of this magnitude. >>> >>> -Sean >>> >>> On Monday, December 7, 2015, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote: >>> >>> > So then you'll take your guns to the police or sheriff and tell them >>> you >>> > don't need them anymore? >>> > >>> > On 12/7/2015 9:43 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: >>> > >>> > Australia had a gun problem...until it didn't anymore. >>> > >>> > Just sayin >>> > >>> > -Sean >>> > >>> > >>> > On Monday, December 7, 2015, Chuck McCown < >>> > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');>ch...@wbmfg.com >>> > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');>> wrote: >>> > >>> >> On the assault rifle issue, are we just arguing about magazine size? >>> >> >>> >> Or does it need a handle on top and a pistol grip? >>> >> How does a BAR differ from an AR? Assuming they are the same caliber. >>> >> BAR is OK because it only shoots deer, but the AR is for shooting >>> people? >>> >> Wood stock good, green metal and plastic bad? >>> >> >>> >> Semi automatic deer hunting rifles are OK, right? >>> >> >>> >> Is this a distinction without a difference? >>> >> >>> >> *From:* Sean Heskett >>> >> *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2015 3:31 PM >>> >> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> >>> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy >>> >> and why >>> >> >>> >> i have a Glock23 .40cal works great but it's not quite a "conceal >>> carry" >>> >> size. I have it (unloaded and trigger locked) in my survival pack >>> that >>> >> stays in my airplane incase of an emergency landing in the back >>> country ;-) >>> >> >>> >> i'm also a Progressive Libtard (registered independent) that thinks we >>> >> should ban assault rifles and large magazines just as we have banned >>> hand >>> >> grenades, bombs, rocket launchers and other military style/grade >>> weapons. >>> >> I've had my Hunter's safety card since I was 12 and I also went to >>> high >>> >> school next to Columbine in CO. My younger sister had friends who >>> died in >>> >> the attack. >>> >> >>> >> 2 cents. >>> >> >>> >> -Sean >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:01 PM, James Howard <ja...@litewire.net >>> >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ja...@litewire.net');>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> It wasn’t just the backstrap that bothered me. Mostly the diamond >>> >>> pattern just didn’t feel good in my hands. I just did a bit of >>> looking now >>> >>> though and it looks like there are some options for fixing that. I >>> might >>> >>> have to look into them again. I really like the Sig P938 so far >>> though. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I missed your comment about Glock fanboys. Shocking we haven’t had >>> any >>> >>> so far but the thread devolved into politics from a simple question >>> of what >>> >>> brand/model of pistol we like. For the record, I’ve yet to meet a >>> Glock >>> >>> that I’d want to own. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh >>> Reynolds >>> >>> *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2015 11:08 AM >>> >>> *To:* af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');> >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to >>> buy >>> >>> and why >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> XDS has replaceable grip backstraps. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:04 AM, James Howard <ja...@litewire.net >>> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ja...@litewire.net');>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Sig P938 is 9mm and almost exactly the same size as a P238. I’ve got >>> >>> the SAS model (anti snag). I’ve also got a S&W M&P Shield in 9mm >>> and have >>> >>> looked at the Springfield XDS many times. I just can’t get over the >>> fact >>> >>> that I don’t like the grips on the XDS. Prime reason to go with the >>> XDS is >>> >>> that you can get it in 45ACP. There are a lot of cheaper brands out >>> there >>> >>> too. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> If you have a place where you can do it, go and test fire all the >>> >>> different options. My father-in-law bought a Glock 36 because >>> several >>> >>> people told him how great they were. The problem is that it doesn’t >>> fit >>> >>> his hand well at all and the trigger digs into his finger so he >>> shoots >>> >>> terrible with it. His accuracy is greatly improved using my M&P >>> Shield. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> No matter what you get though. A major key to carrying it safely is >>> >>> practice and being comfortable with it. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com >>> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');>] *On Behalf >>> Of *Simon >>> >>> Westlake >>> >>> *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2015 10:09 AM >>> >>> *To:* af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');> >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to >>> buy >>> >>> and why >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> That was one thing I forgot to mention with the P238.. it has a >>> manual >>> >>> safety as well, if that's important to you. I personally don't >>> really care, >>> >>> but it's another good point. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 12/7/2015 10:07 AM, Jeremy wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> A lot of people are carrying a gun that has no safety. The safety is >>> >>> released by squeezing the trigger, essentially. 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