Or Yeezus? From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 2:07 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - which religion should I join (was which gun toby)...
jebus and only jebus On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: <grin> From: Paul McCall Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 1:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why The conversation was me asking for what type of guns people preferred for CCW J - the title reads “which to buy and why” Seemed like a reasonable thing to ask of people I respect From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 3:01 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why “. But in retrospect I see what your original statement was, and you are correct, it is, in fact pathetic that this conversation needs to take place. We are not a civil society, its pathetic we are arrogant enough to kid ourselves about that.” Bingo. Thank you for your reading comprehension. Others read it and came claiming I called members pathetic, which is not possibly a correct interpretation given the simple and unambiguous sentence I wrote. Comprehension is a problem in this country. As I make clear to my kids, calling an action they may do “foolish” or “dumb,” is not even remotely the same as calling them foolish or dumb. I find it distressing that adults confuse the difference. As well, maybe some read the word “pathetic,” but have no sense of its authentic definition, instead thinking it a personal insult, akin to calling another a “loser!” pa·thet·ic pəˈTHedik/ adjective adjective: pathetic 1. 1. arousing pity, especially through vulnerability or sadness. "she looked so pathetic that I bent down to comfort her" synonyms: pitiful, pitiable, piteous, moving, touching, poignant, plaintive, distressing, upsetting, heartbreaking, heart-rending, harrowing, wretched, forlorn "a pathetic groan" Cheers, - Patrick From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 2:23 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why Why am I getting left out? I have no doubt the majority of people would not perform as heroically as they anticipate they would. But better to fail than be a victim. With that, however should come a great deal of responsibility, first and foremost, you are responsible for your own actions. If you try to be a hero, and you shoot a bystander, be prepared for the consequence. If you try to be a hero, and you are shot by a responding professional, that is also a consequence of being a shooter in an active shooter situation. I would venture a guess there are alot of shootings that happen where a CCW holder was present that you dont hear about because when push came to shove, they stayed holstered and fled, as it should be. But once again, better to have the option to defend and choose not to use it than to have no option aside from being a victim. The US has too many vague interpretations of freedom, that is why it is so dangerous here. You could arm every person with a howitzer and a sword, it would be no more dangerous. Our criminals are entitled punks. They know that our prison systems are not gulags or work camps, The expenditures from our correctional systems on entertainment alone is astounding, and we no longer offer reform or re-education, our sentencing guidelines are such that it is a better gamble to shoot first than leave witnesses. We have an abused welfare system that has become a generational lifestyle and are not allowed to empower those who live in it for fear of repercussions of some form of discrimination. We have systems in place to specifically train those most at risk for criminality to hate those who succeed as being thieves of entitlements. Those at risk are further chained by inherent beliefs within their communities that trying to change for the better is selling out from what is real. Then, we have the lunatics, whos actions are treated as common, when in reality they are so few and far between they barely even account for any measurable component of the criminality in this country. Lunatics, you truly can do little for, whether it be lunacy in ones religion or political beliefs, or just fucking nuts, they will do what they do when they do it without any warning that doesnt require hindsight. Mass shootings should be the least of anyone's concern. We have yet to have a mass shooting in the country that beats the average week in our major cities. Whether something is listed as terrorism, mental illness, or a hate crime is what our country focuses on, not what the underlying issue is that brings it out, criminality. Between the overbearing reach of our federal, state and local government into our personal lives and the lack of any actual meaningful approach to limit, hinder, or avoid criminality in the United States, there really is no limit to the need for bigger, better, faster, more firepower among the general population. Because at the end of the day the United State is a selfish nation, and no matter how much cuckolding to the government we portray, or communal love for our fellow man we present, it is in reality every man for himself here, and dont let anyone ever fool you about that. So really, given what the United States really is, and not what we present, it is irresponsible to not be prepared. But in retrospect I see what your original statement was, and you are correct, it is, in fact pathetic that this conversation needs to take place. We are not a civil society, its pathetic we are arrogant enough to kid ourselves about that. On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Patrick Leary <[email protected]> wrote: You describe the main reason I own one. I work from home, and not far from a janky area and what you describe is a potential problem. I don’t carry though. I also have a large, scary dog. - Patrick From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 12:33 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why I regularly carry my KelTec P3AT, looks like a cell phone in my pocket. It doesn't have a safety, but I don't carry it with a round chambered. I'm in a pretty rural farming area, and there are a lot of migrant workers. With that has brought more burglary type of crime. The standard to do is go knock on all the doors. If nobody answers, they break in. My office is in the front of my house, and I have had this encounter 4 times since living there about 9 years. The last 2 times I have walked out gun in hand. It's interesting, they only turn around and don't even get out of the car. I know what they are there for and so do they. I also have cameras all over my property, so I know when people come and go. Regards, Chuck On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Christopher Tyler <[email protected]> wrote: It's not a US thing... http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777958.html -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Heskett" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 8:42:11 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why Sometimes I just like stirring the pot ;) I'm not saying one way is better or worse. BUT our current system obviously seems to be failing because we are the only 1st world country with a mass shooting problem of this magnitude. -Sean On Monday, December 7, 2015, George Skorup <[email protected]> wrote: > So then you'll take your guns to the police or sheriff and tell them you > don't need them anymore? > > On 12/7/2015 9:43 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: > > Australia had a gun problem...until it didn't anymore. > > Just sayin > > -Sean > > > On Monday, December 7, 2015, Chuck McCown < > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>[email protected] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote: > >> On the assault rifle issue, are we just arguing about magazine size? >> >> Or does it need a handle on top and a pistol grip? >> How does a BAR differ from an AR? Assuming they are the same caliber. >> BAR is OK because it only shoots deer, but the AR is for shooting people? >> Wood stock good, green metal and plastic bad? >> >> Semi automatic deer hunting rifles are OK, right? >> >> Is this a distinction without a difference? >> >> *From:* Sean Heskett >> *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2015 3:31 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy >> and why >> >> i have a Glock23 .40cal works great but it's not quite a "conceal carry" >> size. I have it (unloaded and trigger locked) in my survival pack that >> stays in my airplane incase of an emergency landing in the back country ;-) >> >> i'm also a Progressive Libtard (registered independent) that thinks we >> should ban assault rifles and large magazines just as we have banned hand >> grenades, bombs, rocket launchers and other military style/grade weapons. >> I've had my Hunter's safety card since I was 12 and I also went to high >> school next to Columbine in CO. My younger sister had friends who died in >> the attack. >> >> 2 cents. >> >> -Sean >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:01 PM, James Howard <[email protected] >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote: >> >>> It wasn’t just the backstrap that bothered me. Mostly the diamond >>> pattern just didn’t feel good in my hands. I just did a bit of looking now >>> though and it looks like there are some options for fixing that. I might >>> have to look into them again. I really like the Sig P938 so far though. >>> >>> >>> >>> I missed your comment about Glock fanboys. Shocking we haven’t had any >>> so far but the thread devolved into politics from a simple question of what >>> brand/model of pistol we like. For the record, I’ve yet to meet a Glock >>> that I’d want to own. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds >>> *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2015 11:08 AM >>> *To:* [email protected] <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy >>> and why >>> >>> >>> >>> XDS has replaceable grip backstraps. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:04 AM, James Howard <[email protected] >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote: >>> >>> Sig P938 is 9mm and almost exactly the same size as a P238. I’ve got >>> the SAS model (anti snag). I’ve also got a S&W M&P Shield in 9mm and have >>> looked at the Springfield XDS many times. I just can’t get over the fact >>> that I don’t like the grips on the XDS. Prime reason to go with the XDS is >>> that you can get it in 45ACP. There are a lot of cheaper brands out there >>> too. >>> >>> >>> >>> If you have a place where you can do it, go and test fire all the >>> different options. My father-in-law bought a Glock 36 because several >>> people told him how great they were. The problem is that it doesn’t fit >>> his hand well at all and the trigger digs into his finger so he shoots >>> terrible with it. His accuracy is greatly improved using my M&P Shield. >>> >>> >>> >>> No matter what you get though. A major key to carrying it safely is >>> practice and being comfortable with it. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>] *On Behalf Of *Simon >>> Westlake >>> *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2015 10:09 AM >>> *To:* [email protected] <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy >>> and why >>> >>> >>> >>> That was one thing I forgot to mention with the P238.. it has a manual >>> safety as well, if that's important to you. I personally don't really care, >>> but it's another good point. >>> >>> On 12/7/2015 10:07 AM, Jeremy wrote: >>> >>> A lot of people are carrying a gun that has no safety. The safety is >>> released by squeezing the trigger, essentially. I have kids, and although >>> I plan to keep my gun far away from them, I cannot on a clear conscience >>> carry a gun with no safety. I have been considering a revolver. 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