You know Die Hard and Bad Santa are my Christmas movies anymore.
Griswold's Family Christmas just doesn't do it for me anymore...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote:

> I have the TV news channel on and they just played a clip from the movie
> “Christmas Vacation” that I could borrow to describe Shkreli:
>
> I want him brought from his happy holiday slumber over there on Melody
> Lane with all the other rich people and I want him brought right here, with
> a big ribbon on his head, and I want to look him straight in the eye and I
> want to tell him what a cheap, lying, no-good, rotten, four-flushing,
> low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant,
> blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless,
> fat-ass, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spotty-lipped, worm-headed sack of monkey
> shit he is! Hallelujah! Holy shit! Where's the Tylenol?
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* Friday, December 18, 2015 9:34 AM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Captilism (was Martin Shkreli)
>
> Damn you guys are brutal!
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Bah, humbug.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Tyler
>> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 9:28 AM
>> To: [email protected]
>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Captilism (was Martin Shkreli)
>>
>> And a free cell phone so they can call the pharmacy.
>>
>> --
>> Christopher Tyler
>> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
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>> 417.851.1107
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jay Weekley" <[email protected]>
>> To: [email protected]
>> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 9:27:13 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Captilism (was Martin Shkreli)
>>
>> They need clothing and transportation to food, water, shelter and
>> medicine.  Or free delivery.
>>
>> Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>>> Food, water, shelter, medicine.  The things anyone and everyone need
>>> to survive.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Cameron Crum <[email protected]
>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Since when has it been a basic human right? Where does it stop?
>>>     Why are others forced to pay for peoples bad habits? Other than
>>>     congenital defects, and some accidents, most health problems are
>>>     due to peoples choices. If our money is to be confiscated to pay
>>>     for everyone's "human right", don't we get a say in how they live?
>>>     How many other human rights are being trampled on then?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Josh Luthman
>>>     <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>     wrote:
>>>
>>>         Should medicine really be part of a system of supply and
>>>         demand?  I'd agree on the whole hotel thing - you don't have
>>>         to stay there - but when you have some medical condition (and
>>>         while yes AIDS is something you can certainly avoid) I think
>>>         as a society and a culture we shouldn't deny a basic human right.
>>>
>>>
>>>         Josh Luthman
>>>         Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
>>>         Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
>>>         1100 Wayne St
>>>         Suite 1337
>>>         Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>         On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Lewis Bergman
>>>         <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>             I can't defend his brashness, but the fact remains that
>>>             pure capitalism is the best way demonstrated to date to
>>>             innovate and health care or pharma is not exempt. Big
>>>             rewards encourage big effort yielding big results. These
>>>             pharma companies have something like 7 years until the
>>>             exclusivity period expires. That can be a pretty short
>>>             time to recover investments. This particular case may be a
>>>             bit extreme but to say that capitalism is broken in
>>>             America is simply ludicrous.
>>>
>>>             I recently attended my sons graduation from Texas Tech on
>>>             a Friday. Thursday night at the hotel was $159 and Friday
>>>             was $269. I don't think that is price gouging. I think it
>>>             is a reflection of the simple fact that there are fewer
>>>             rooms available on that particular night than are demanded
>>>             at $159. The equilibrium was found at $259 where supply
>>>             and demand come closer to being equal. At that price I
>>>             still witnessed people turned away wanting a room due to
>>>             their poor planning. I don't think that is price gouging.
>>>             Their hotel was full at $269 a night. The next day was
>>>             $159 again. Since the hotel was full they probably could
>>>             have been even higher.
>>>
>>>             I really don't understand what people have such a huge
>>>             issue with the fundamental theory of supply and demand.
>>>             Yes I understand that it is a potentially life saving
>>>             drug. There are other cheaper treatments. Maybe they
>>>             aren't as good, which is why they are cheaper. When did we
>>>             stop rewarding people for the value they provide? I know
>>>             this jerk didn't invent it but he obviously was willing to
>>>             reward those who did with a price they thought fair. Sales
>>>             over the next few years will prove if he made a mistake.
>>>
>>>             Why not force Chuck to sell a unique mount he made for 5%
>>>             over cost? Heck, why not only cover his cost? Why not less
>>>             than cost and force him to provide his great product for
>>>             the good of the people? There is a reason it is named
>>>             Animal Farm. How many have read this book? While not about
>>>             capitalism it does speak to the kind of central control
>>>             that skulks below the overt argument for "controlling"
>>>             this type of behavior.
>>>
>>>             I know people might die. I'll put on my really jerky hat
>>>             and say "so what?". People die every day for less meaning
>>>             and in greater numbers. There is practically a mass
>>>             suicide movement going on now with texting and driving. I
>>>             don't see where people value there lives or others that
>>>             much anyway when reading a text or email is more important
>>>             than life itself.
>>>             I guess I am just a big libertarian at heart. Give me the
>>>             loose framework of a "fair market", whatever that is, and
>>>             let the system fight it out. The word isn't fair, not ever
>>>             going to be fair, stop trying to warp it to be that way.
>>>
>>>             Have fun with that on a Friday and have a Merry Christmas,
>>>             Happy Hanuka, or whatever else gets your boat floating.
>>>
>>>             On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 8:02 AM Patrick Leary
>>>             <[email protected]
>>>             <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>
>>>                 The irony? Your local poor schlub a-hole can be
>>>                 arrested and charged if he doubles the price of gas,
>>>                 water, or other life-critical goods after a natural
>>>                 disaster – that’s a crime in America. Meanwhile, it’s
>>>                 completely legal for a company to raise a
>>>                 life-critical drug by over 5000% -- that’s capitalism
>>>                 in America.
>>>
>>>                 Shkreli is only the most written about example. This
>>>                 “business trend’ is all the rage and has been widely
>>>                 employed in the U.S. for a number of years now.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://news.health.com/2015/09/25/6-insane-examples-of-prescription-drug-price-increases/
>>>
>>>                 Patrick
>>>
>>>                 *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]
>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
>>>                 *Sent:* Thursday, December 17, 2015 8:28 PM
>>>                 *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>                 *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT - Martin Shkreli
>>>
>>>                 Apparently this guy AND HIS LAWYER were arrested
>>>                 today.  Everybody knows him as the guy who raises drug
>>>                 prices 5000%, but I did not know he live streams
>>>                 almost daily to his fans.
>>>
>>>                 Watch the first video, isn't he just like every
>>>                 annoying, entitled, slacker kid living in his parents
>>>                 basement that we have to deal with bitching about his
>>>                 Internet?  Except he is CEO of a drug company.
>>>
>>>                 I didn't think it was possible to hate him more, but
>>>                 watch the video.
>>>
>>>                 https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8gjB1PSXv_oAUSAQ16S0fA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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