Well, reflector dishes have their merits.  I have upgraded from Trango, FSK, 
430, 450 sometimes twice by just popping a new radio into the existing dish.  I 
have changed frequencies.  You can bring one radio for use as standalone 
“integrated” or if you don’t get the numbers you want, pop on a CLIP or use the 
same radio with a reflector dish.  It also reduces the number of spares you 
need to keep in the truck for repairs.  Another advantage over many of the 
integrated dish solutions is the mount provides independent adjustments for 
elevation and azimuth, which lends itself to better alignment, and reduces the 
need to hire 3-handed installers (or monkeys with prehensile tails).


Visually, one may look better to some, but the eye is so used to seeing 
satellite dishes that one more reflector dish goes unnoticed.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 7:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450d


So PMP finally joins what everyone else has been doing for 10 years?

Mike Hammett
 <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions
 <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange
 <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP


From: "Daniel White" <afmu...@gmail.com <mailto:afmu...@gmail.com> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 10:35:44 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450d

Cambium is moving towards EOL the reflectors from some of the roadmap stuff 
I’ve seen.  I think the ePMP Force 200/450d type configuration and Force 180 
design are here to stay.


Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

 <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com> dwh...@converge-tech.com


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve D
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 9:13 PM
To: af <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450d


So over reflectors.  Love to see lower priced versions of these and the 
reflector crap phased right out.


On Sep 16, 2016 2:13 PM, "Jeff Broadwick - Lists" <jeffl...@att.net 
<mailto:jeffl...@att.net> > wrote:

That have an integrated 3.65 unit Timothy.  It's only uncapped at this point, 
but it exists.  C036045C014A.

Jeff Broadwick

ConVergence Technologies, Inc.

312-205-2519 <tel:312-205-2519>  Office

574-220-7826 <tel:574-220-7826>  Cell

jbroadw...@converge-tech.com <mailto:jbroadw...@converge-tech.com> 

On Sep 16, 2016, at 4:37 PM, Timothy Steele <timothy.pct...@gmail.com 
<mailto:timothy.pct...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I have gotten 5db better with the 450d also inner feed designed dishes seems to 
work much better when under a tower also much more simple to mount on a tower I 
hope they do the same with 2.4 and 365 soon 


On Fri, Sep 16, 2016, 12:57 PM SmarterBroadband <li...@smarterbroadband.com 
<mailto:li...@smarterbroadband.com> > wrote:



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:53 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450d


We love it! We have standardized on it 


-looks way better that a SM+dish, more professional

-gain the same or 1-2db better

-easier to assemble / align 

-less windload 


On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com 
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

I see several WISPs deploying the 450d, but I suspect it's because they don't 
like reflector dishes, or because of the 40M license key.

Cambium has indicated the 450d has a little more antenna gain than the regular 
450 SM plus a reflector dish, but the spec sheets say 25 dBi either way.  What 
are people really seeing in the field?  Is there a performance difference in an 
apples-to-apples comparison?  How much?  I'm not going to get too excited about 
1 dB.

Otherwise, we're looking at the connectorized 450 SM.  Or the connectorized 
450i SM, which is pretty pricey. 






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