I suspect 12" isn't going to be quite enough for the 900mhz 450i antennas.
There are shorter J-pipes that can be reversed, so you have a taller
vertical section... I would think that would make more sense than cutting
down a 39".

On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 11:10 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> I’ll have to check that the 450d will mount on a 2” mast.  The sat dish
> industry has pretty much gone to 2” masts, while the WISP industry seems to
> stay with the 1.66” masts which are a bit flimsy.
>
> I’ll have to check if the 450d will go on the Direct TV stub mounts, they
> are only 12 inches high, so maybe not enough clearance off the roof.
>
> I’m also curious if the stub mount will work for Cambium’s 900 MHz 450i
> antenna which BTW I like very much, but a standard J-pipe is not a good
> mount for them.  We end up using the Winegard DS-3000 and cutting them
> down, the result is ideal, but it’s a waste to buy an expensive 39” J-pipe
> and cut it down.  And a 2” pipe would be that much sturdier.
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 18, 2016 9:29 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450d
>
>
> Well, reflector dishes have their merits.  I have upgraded from Trango,
> FSK, 430, 450 sometimes twice by just popping a new radio into the existing
> dish.  I have changed frequencies.  You can bring one radio for use as
> standalone “integrated” or if you don’t get the numbers you want, pop on a
> CLIP or use the same radio with a reflector dish.  It also reduces the
> number of spares you need to keep in the truck for repairs.  Another
> advantage over many of the integrated dish solutions is the mount provides
> independent adjustments for elevation and azimuth, which lends itself to
> better alignment, and reduces the need to hire 3-handed installers (or
> monkeys with prehensile tails).
>
>
>
> Visually, one may look better to some, but the eye is so used to seeing
> satellite dishes that one more reflector dish goes unnoticed.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 18, 2016 7:06 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450d
>
>
>
> So PMP finally joins what everyone else has been doing for 10 years?
>
>
>
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>
> *From: *"Daniel White" <afmu...@gmail.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Saturday, September 17, 2016 10:35:44 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450d
>
> Cambium is moving towards EOL the reflectors from some of the roadmap
> stuff I’ve seen.  I think the ePMP Force 200/450d type configuration and
> Force 180 design are here to stay.
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
>
> ConVergence Technologies
>
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>
> dwh...@converge-tech.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Steve D
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 17, 2016 9:13 PM
> *To:* af <af@afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450d
>
>
>
> So over reflectors.  Love to see lower priced versions of these and the
> reflector crap phased right out.
>
>
>
> On Sep 16, 2016 2:13 PM, "Jeff Broadwick - Lists" <jeffl...@att.net>
> wrote:
>
> That have an integrated 3.65 unit Timothy.  It's only uncapped at this
> point, but it exists.  C036045C014A.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
>
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>
> 312-205-2519 Office
>
> 574-220-7826 Cell
>
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>
>
> On Sep 16, 2016, at 4:37 PM, Timothy Steele <timothy.pct...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I have gotten 5db better with the 450d also inner feed designed dishes
> seems to work much better when under a tower also much more simple to mount
> on a tower I hope they do the same with 2.4 and 365 soon
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016, 12:57 PM SmarterBroadband <
> li...@smarterbroadband.com> wrote:
>
> +1
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
> *Sent:* Friday, September 16, 2016 9:53 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450d
>
>
>
> We love it! We have standardized on it
>
>
>
> -looks way better that a SM+dish, more professional
>
> -gain the same or 1-2db better
>
> -easier to assemble / align
>
> -less windload
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
> I see several WISPs deploying the 450d, but I suspect it's because they
> don't like reflector dishes, or because of the 40M license key.
>
> Cambium has indicated the 450d has a little more antenna gain than the
> regular 450 SM plus a reflector dish, but the spec sheets say 25 dBi either
> way.  What are people really seeing in the field?  Is there a performance
> difference in an apples-to-apples comparison?  How much?  I'm not going to
> get too excited about 1 dB.
>
> Otherwise, we're looking at the connectorized 450 SM.  Or the
> connectorized 450i SM, which is pretty pricey.
>
>
>
>
>
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