I’ll have to check that the 450d will mount on a 2” mast.  The sat dish 
industry has pretty much gone to 2” masts, while the WISP industry seems to 
stay with the 1.66” masts which are a bit flimsy.

I’ll have to check if the 450d will go on the Direct TV stub mounts, they are 
only 12 inches high, so maybe not enough clearance off the roof.

I’m also curious if the stub mount will work for Cambium’s 900 MHz 450i antenna 
which BTW I like very much, but a standard J-pipe is not a good mount for them. 
 We end up using the Winegard DS-3000 and cutting them down, the result is 
ideal, but it’s a waste to buy an expensive 39” J-pipe and cut it down.  And a 
2” pipe would be that much sturdier.

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 9:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450d

Well, reflector dishes have their merits.  I have upgraded from Trango, FSK, 
430, 450 sometimes twice by just popping a new radio into the existing dish.  I 
have changed frequencies.  You can bring one radio for use as standalone 
“integrated” or if you don’t get the numbers you want, pop on a CLIP or use the 
same radio with a reflector dish.  It also reduces the number of spares you 
need to keep in the truck for repairs.  Another advantage over many of the 
integrated dish solutions is the mount provides independent adjustments for 
elevation and azimuth, which lends itself to better alignment, and reduces the 
need to hire 3-handed installers (or monkeys with prehensile tails).


Visually, one may look better to some, but the eye is so used to seeing 
satellite dishes that one more reflector dish goes unnoticed.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 7:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450d


So PMP finally joins what everyone else has been doing for 10 years?

Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP


From: "Daniel White" <afmu...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 10:35:44 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450d

Cambium is moving towards EOL the reflectors from some of the roadmap stuff 
I’ve seen.  I think the ePMP Force 200/450d type configuration and Force 180 
design are here to stay.


Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve D
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 9:13 PM
To: af <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450d


So over reflectors.  Love to see lower priced versions of these and the 
reflector crap phased right out.


On Sep 16, 2016 2:13 PM, "Jeff Broadwick - Lists" <jeffl...@att.net> wrote:

  That have an integrated 3.65 unit Timothy.  It's only uncapped at this point, 
but it exists.  C036045C014A.

  Jeff Broadwick

  ConVergence Technologies, Inc.

  312-205-2519 Office

  574-220-7826 Cell


  On Sep 16, 2016, at 4:37 PM, Timothy Steele <timothy.pct...@gmail.com> wrote:

    I have gotten 5db better with the 450d also inner feed designed dishes 
seems to work much better when under a tower also much more simple to mount on 
a tower I hope they do the same with 2.4 and 365 soon 


    On Fri, Sep 16, 2016, 12:57 PM SmarterBroadband 
<li...@smarterbroadband.com> wrote:



      From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
      Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:53 AM
      To: Animal Farm
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450d


      We love it! We have standardized on it 


      -looks way better that a SM+dish, more professional

      -gain the same or 1-2db better

      -easier to assemble / align 

      -less windload 


      On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

      I see several WISPs deploying the 450d, but I suspect it's because they 
don't like reflector dishes, or because of the 40M license key.

      Cambium has indicated the 450d has a little more antenna gain than the 
regular 450 SM plus a reflector dish, but the spec sheets say 25 dBi either 
way.  What are people really seeing in the field?  Is there a performance 
difference in an apples-to-apples comparison?  How much?  I'm not going to get 
too excited about 1 dB.

      Otherwise, we're looking at the connectorized 450 SM.  Or the 
connectorized 450i SM, which is pretty pricey. 



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