LOL … that makes me feel so much better ;)

> On Oct 17, 2016, at 11:37 AM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
> 
> He likes Katy Perry tho
> 
> 
> 
> On Monday, October 17, 2016, Paul Stewart <p...@paulstewart.org 
> <mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>> wrote:
> North Korea scares the shit out of me … out of control dictator that is not 
> in the right mind and has a nuclear arsenal at his disposal…. scary shit if 
> you ask me…
> 
> oh and has a major hate on for anything US related…. I can see a major 
> pissing match coming (in some ways it’s already started)
> 
> 
>> On Oct 17, 2016, at 8:39 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com 
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@kwisp.com');>> wrote:
>> 
>> Russia is doing some saber rattling for sure.  It is concerning.  Putin 
>> seems to be trying to take advantage of the lame duck period somehow, who 
>> knows what he is up to.  N. Korea also, saying they are willing to launch a 
>> nuclear first strike.  You’d think there would be more coverage of the 
>> Russian threats, but all people care about is the election reality show.
>>  
>> Putin is pissed that Obama called him a regional power.  Trump is pissed 
>> that Obama made fun of him at the press dinner.  Isn’t it nice to have world 
>> leaders who use the powers of state to pursue their personal grudges.
>>  
>> Meanwhile in Julian Assange news:
>> http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/pamela-anderson-brings-wikileaks-julian-assange-a-vegan-lunch-and-conspiracy-theories-bloom/ar-AAj2FYZ?li=BBmkt5R
>>  
>> <http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/pamela-anderson-brings-wikileaks-julian-assange-a-vegan-lunch-and-conspiracy-theories-bloom/ar-AAj2FYZ?li=BBmkt5R>
>>  
>>   <>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com 
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');>] On Behalf Of CBB - 
>> Jay Fuller
>> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 12:43 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?
>>  
>>  
>> I will look up the speech
>>  
>> How do you feel about the implied "bracing for war" Russia seems to be doing?
>>  
>> The right (I do live in Alabama) seems to believe they are bracing for war 
>> if Trump does not get elected.
>>  
>> I have not heard what the left thinks since all they can talk about is the 
>> Billy Bush trump tapes or women....
>>  
>> In fact I don't believe the media is covering anything....Not even us firing 
>> on Yemen (I did not read that article on the internet I assume we bombed A 
>> terrorist camp or something) 
>>  
>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>  
>> ----- Reply message -----
>> From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com 
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@kwisp.com');>>
>> To: <af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>>
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?
>> Date: Mon, Oct 17, 2016 12:29 AM
>>  
>> Also, it seems this explains the nuclear deal Kerry negotiated with Iran, 
>> basically trying to do what wasn’t done with Iraq.  (Idiot Trump doesn’t 
>> seem to realize Clinton isn’t still Sec. of State, but then he lives in a 
>> fact free zone.)  After years of sanctions, you have to get some payoff as a 
>> result of those sanctions, apparently the deal was the best our negotiating 
>> team could get.  Not trying to argue yes or no on that, just if you look 
>> back to the Iraq vote and Kerry’s speech, you can understand why he took the 
>> approach he did with Iran.
>>  
>> He has certainly worked his butt off on the diplomacy side even at the risk 
>> of failure.  Very different approach from Clinton, I think, who seemed to be 
>> more of a delegator.  Unfortunately his efforts on the Israel/Palestine 
>> issue were a total failure, and Putin and Lavrov totally played him for a 
>> fool on Syria.  Well, and Obama too, remember he was going to do the big 
>> “reset” with Russia.  And Hillary was the Russia hawk in the Obama 
>> administration.  Makes me totally shake my head at Trump wanting to “get 
>> along” with Russia.  Why is no one saying that sounds like weak Obama who 
>> tried to be Putin’s buddy and was made to look like a fool.  And no wonder 
>> Putin wants Trump to win, since Hillary is hawkish on Russia.  What a 
>> bizzaro world we live in, where the Republican candidate has a bromance with 
>> Putin, and it’s the Democratic candidate who wants to be tough on Russia?
>>  
>>  
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com 
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');>] On Behalf Of Ken 
>> Hohhof
>> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 12:10 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?
>>  
>> Then listen to the whole speech.
>>  
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com 
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');>] On Behalf Of CBB - 
>> Jay Fuller
>> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 12:08 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?
>>  
>>  
>> I remember very clearly the media covering how Saddam would not allow 
>> inspectors in and how he was very uncooperative.
>>  
>> In my opinion it is saddam's fault. Had he cooperated maybe we would not 
>> have gone to war....
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>  
>> ----- Reply message -----
>> From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com 
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@kwisp.com');>>
>> To: <af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>>
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?
>> Date: Mon, Oct 17, 2016 12:03 AM
>>  
>> I remember that very clearly.  It was a war authorization vote.  The 
>> President told Congress he needed the authorization to strengthen his hand 
>> when he went to the UN and allies and sought new sanctions to force Iraq to 
>> submit to inspection and disarm, to show that the nation was behind him, and 
>> that it was not a vote to go to war except as a last resort.  He basically 
>> framed it as a vote of confidence in him, that he needed that vote to show 
>> the world he was serious and the nation spoke with one voice, it made it 
>> very difficult for Congress not to vote yes.  Of course he didn’t follow 
>> through with his promises and quickly went to war without exhausting all 
>> other avenues.
>>  
>> I clearly remember listening to Sen. John Kerry’s speech on the floor of the 
>> senate before the vote, laying this all out.  And I remember having a sick 
>> feeling that exactly what he said the President promised not to do and 
>> warned him not to do, was nonetheless going to happen.  Whatever you think 
>> of John Kerry, this is a riveting speech.  I found a video of it online.  
>> It’s 50 minutes long, if you can’t spend that much time, skip to around 
>> 33:00.  
>>  
>> https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4398929/sen-kerry-iraq-war-authorization-speech-9oct02
>>  
>> <https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4398929/sen-kerry-iraq-war-authorization-speech-9oct02>
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com 
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');>] On Behalf Of CBB - 
>> Jay Fuller
>> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 11:07 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?
>>  
>>  
>> I remind you....congress had to vote on that. 
>>  
>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>  
>> ----- Reply message -----
>> From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com 
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','losguyswirel...@gmail.com');>>
>> To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com 
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>>
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?
>> Date: Sun, Oct 16, 2016 10:50 PM
>>  
>> Well Bush decision to invade Iraq did affect my family.. My son who proudly 
>> served in Iraq came back injured physically and mentally.  He is still under 
>> medical care ...   We should have gone after Taliban in Afghanistan and 
>> wiped them out along with poppie fields.   Hussein was a dictator I know but 
>> our reason to invade was based on weapons of mass destruction which didn't 
>> exist.   We messed up the status quo, left and gave ISIS an opening... If 
>> you study history of region it has shown no outside nation has ever been 
>> able to conquer area for very long..  These folks have been at war since 
>> forever and we got caught up in it.  When you travel on plane you are 
>> affected... Large public events are different now because threat of 
>> terrorism exists.   So we are all affected some way.    The times, they are 
>> a changin
>> 
>>  
>> On Oct 16, 2016 9:21 PM, "Bruce Robertson" <br...@pooh.com 
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','br...@pooh.com');>> wrote:
>>> Exactly right.  Who is president has some effect, but not game changing.  
>>> Most people in the country are middle of the road, and the progress of the 
>>> country reflects that.  The pendulum swings back and forth, but always 
>>> reverts to the mean.
>>> 
>>> On 10/16/16 8:17 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>> Congress makes and changes law.  Supreme Court makes a few important 
>>>> decisions.  Regulators are who really run the country.
>>>>  
>>>> Does it really matter who the president is?
>>>> What did Obama do?  Encouraged the ACA.  Dropped the ball in Syria.  But  
>>>> how did he affect me, my degree of wealth, my amount of spare time?
>>>>  
>>>> Ditto Bush.  They affect foreign policy.  They have the ability to really 
>>>> mess up other people’s lives in other countries, but do they really have 
>>>> much effect on me?  
>>>>  
>>>> Granted, altering  the make up of the Supreme Court changes things like 
>>>> can I choose to marry a dude or do I have to sell wedding cakes to gays.  
>>>> But that really does not touch me.  My granddaughter having to cope with 
>>>> dudes in the bathroom at school hits a bit closer to home, but I trust 
>>>> congress will eventually settle on something a bit more common sense.  
>>>>  
>>>> I guess I am trying to convince myself that a president really doesn’t do 
>>>> much here at home.  Congress does.  The court does.  Bureaucracies do.  
>>>>  
>>>> Now, if the president could get a whole truckload of cheese delivered to 
>>>> the Whitehouse and give it out to anyone that drops in for a visit, then 
>>>> we are talking about a real impact...
>>>>  
>>>> http://history1800s.about.com/ 
>>>> <http://history1800s.about.com/>od/19th-Century-Presidents/fl/Andrew-Jacksons-Big-Block-of-Cheese.htm
>>>>  
>>>> !DSPAM:2,580442b817511656011445! 
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