On Oct 17, 2016, at 8:39 AM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]
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Russia is doing some saber rattling for sure. It is concerning.
Putin seems to be trying to take advantage of the lame duck
period somehow, who knows what he is up to. N. Korea also,
saying they are willing to launch a nuclear first strike. You’d
think there would be more coverage of the Russian threats, but
all people care about is the election reality show.
Putin is pissed that Obama called him a regional power. Trump is
pissed that Obama made fun of him at the press dinner. Isn’t it
nice to have world leaders who use the powers of state to pursue
their personal grudges.
Meanwhile in Julian Assange news:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/pamela-anderson-brings-wikileaks-julian-assange-a-vegan-lunch-and-conspiracy-theories-bloom/ar-AAj2FYZ?li=BBmkt5R
<http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/pamela-anderson-brings-wikileaks-julian-assange-a-vegan-lunch-and-conspiracy-theories-bloom/ar-AAj2FYZ?li=BBmkt5R>
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I will look up the speech
How do you feel about the implied "bracing for war" Russia seems
to be doing?
The right (I do live in Alabama) seems to believe they are
bracing for war if Trump does not get elected.
I have not heard what the left thinks since all they can talk
about is the Billy Bush trump tapes or women....
In fact I don't believe the media is covering anything....Not
even us firing on Yemen (I did not read that article on the
internet I assume we bombed A terrorist camp or something)
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Date: Mon, Oct 17, 2016 12:29 AM
Also, it seems this explains the nuclear deal Kerry negotiated
with Iran, basically trying to do what wasn’t done with Iraq.
(Idiot Trump doesn’t seem to realize Clinton isn’t still Sec. of
State, but then he lives in a fact free zone.) After years of
sanctions, you have to get some payoff as a result of those
sanctions, apparently the deal was the best our negotiating team
could get. Not trying to argue yes or no on that, just if you
look back to the Iraq vote and Kerry’s speech, you can understand
why he took the approach he did with Iran.
He has certainly worked his butt off on the diplomacy side even
at the risk of failure. Very different approach from Clinton, I
think, who seemed to be more of a delegator. Unfortunately his
efforts on the Israel/Palestine issue were a total failure, and
Putin and Lavrov totally played him for a fool on Syria. Well,
and Obama too, remember he was going to do the big “reset” with
Russia. And Hillary was the Russia hawk in the Obama
administration. Makes me totally shake my head at Trump wanting
to “get along” with Russia. Why is no one saying that sounds
like weak Obama who tried to be Putin’s buddy and was made to
look like a fool. And no wonder Putin wants Trump to win, since
Hillary is hawkish on Russia. What a bizzaro world we live in,
where the Republican candidate has a bromance with Putin, and
it’s the Democratic candidate who wants to be tough on Russia?
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Then listen to the whole speech.
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I remember very clearly the media covering how Saddam would not
allow inspectors in and how he was very uncooperative.
In my opinion it is saddam's fault. Had he cooperated maybe we
would not have gone to war....
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Date: Mon, Oct 17, 2016 12:03 AM
I remember that very clearly. It was a war authorization vote.
The President told Congress he needed the authorization to
strengthen his hand when he went to the UN and allies and sought
new sanctions to force Iraq to submit to inspection and disarm,
to show that the nation was behind him, and that it was not a
vote to go to war except as a last resort. He basically framed
it as a vote of confidence in him, that he needed that vote to
show the world he was serious and the nation spoke with one
voice, it made it very difficult for Congress not to vote yes.
Of course he didn’t follow through with his promises and quickly
went to war without exhausting all other avenues.
I clearly remember listening to Sen. John Kerry’s speech on the
floor of the senate before the vote, laying this all out. And I
remember having a sick feeling that exactly what he said the
President promised not to do and warned him not to do, was
nonetheless going to happen. Whatever you think of John Kerry,
this is a riveting speech. I found a video of it online. It’s
50 minutes long, if you can’t spend that much time, skip to
around 33:00.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4398929/sen-kerry-iraq-war-authorization-speech-9oct02
<https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4398929/sen-kerry-iraq-war-authorization-speech-9oct02>
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I remind you....congress had to vote on that.
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Date: Sun, Oct 16, 2016 10:50 PM
Well Bush decision to invade Iraq did affect my family.. My son
who proudly served in Iraq came back injured physically and
mentally. He is still under medical care ... We should have gone
after Taliban in Afghanistan and wiped them out along with poppie
fields. Hussein was a dictator I know but our reason to invade
was based on weapons of mass destruction which didn't exist. We
messed up the status quo, left and gave ISIS an opening... If you
study history of region it has shown no outside nation has ever
been able to conquer area for very long.. These folks have been
at war since forever and we got caught up in it. When you travel
on plane you are affected... Large public events are different
now because threat of terrorism exists. So we are all affected
some way. The times, they are a changin
On Oct 16, 2016 9:21 PM, "Bruce Robertson" <[email protected]
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Exactly right. Who is president has some effect, but not game
changing. Most people in the country are middle of the road,
and the progress of the country reflects that. The pendulum
swings back and forth, but always reverts to the mean.
On 10/16/16 8:17 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Congress makes and changes law. Supreme Court makes a few
important decisions. Regulators are who really run the country.
Does it really matter who the president is?
What did Obama do? Encouraged the ACA. Dropped the ball in
Syria. But how did he affect me, my degree of wealth, my
amount of spare time?
Ditto Bush. They affect foreign policy. They have the ability
to really mess up other people’s lives in other countries, but
do they really have much effect on me?
Granted, altering the make up of the Supreme Court changes
things like can I choose to marry a dude or do I have to sell
wedding cakes to gays. But that really does not touch me. My
granddaughter having to cope with dudes in the bathroom at
school hits a bit closer to home, but I trust congress will
eventually settle on something a bit more common sense.
I guess I am trying to convince myself that a president really
doesn’t do much here at home. Congress does. The court does.
Bureaucracies do.
Now, if the president could get a whole truckload of cheese
delivered to the Whitehouse and give it out to anyone that
drops in for a visit, then we are talking about a real impact...
http://history1800s.about.com/od/19th-Century-Presidents/fl/Andrew-Jacksons-Big-Block-of-Cheese.htm
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