There's 2 diplexers per side, so that would be 2 channel pairs,
right? 2xTx 2xRx? MIMO-FD?
On Oct 24, 2016 8:32 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Yes, full duplex (as in using one channel for Tx & one for RX)
MIMO as in using both polarities.. yes
but as in using both channels to send & receive ... no not
as per their specs.
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*From: *"Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]
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*To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent: *Monday, October 24, 2016 8:51:52 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system
AF11X actually has two internal radios if my
understanding of the platform is correct. It is Full
Duplex + MIMO.
On Oct 24, 2016 7:03 PM, "Bill Prince"
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
It's not 100% clear from your description, but the
AF11x is using both polarities.
The Mimosa is a very strange duck. Even using 2
channels and 2 polarities, there is no way to
actually run it full duplex. The high-latency half
duplex is pretty much baked in. IMO, it squanders
air bandwidth at the expense of cheapness. And it's
highest modulation rate is still only 256QAM. We had
serious trouble trying to even get 256QAM on a
relatively modest distance link.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 10/24/2016 4:28 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
I will take a crack at it... just to make sure
that My understanding is correct too.
In licensed radio world, the default lingo is as
follows:-
A single channel is actually two channels,
one channel is used to Transmit and the other
channel is used to receive.
and each of these channels pair can be either
in V polarity or H polarity (but not mingled).
XPIC is used to describe a radio where you can
mount two radios together, one using the H
polarity and the other using V polarity, but the
same channel...
But still only one channel (H + V) is used to
transmit and the other channel is used to
Receive. (Thus Full duplex)
MIMO...., = One Channel, both H & V polarities
are used, and either one can be used for Tx and
Rx (thus half duplex)
AF11x = Traditional Licensed radio... one
channel/polarity for TX and one
channel/polarity for RX
Mimosa B11 = Disruptive... a very odd animal...
can be configured as...
Use one channel (both polarities) for TX
and one channel (both polarities) for RX
or ... Use Two Channels, both
polarities in each channel, and use either one
to TX & RX (more like a dual channel MIMO)
AF5 = Uses one channel (both polarities) for
Tx and one channel (both polarities) for RX
AF24 = can be used as
One Channel (Dual Polarities) for TX and one
Channel (Dual Polarities) for RX
or can use the same one channel (dual
polarities) for Tx and Rx.
Hope this is as clear as mud !
:)
Faisal Imtiaz
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*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6
GHz system
What's so much different between XPIC and
MIMO? I'm asking because I guess I'm just
ignorant. MIMO = single carrier (is OFDM
implied?), dual streams? And XPIC = dual
carriers (is single-carrier QAM per channel
implied?) and independent streams that are
aggregated in hardware, perhaps as simple as
a LAG on the internal switch? Or does XPIC
add some more magic?
So then what is the UBNT AF11X considered?
Or the AF5 and 24 for that matter since
they're also capable of FDD.
On 10/24/2016 5:23 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Can a non-vendor tell me if at higher
order modulations if there's limiting
gain from co-channel XPIC? I assume it
works to some degree because it's
marketed (yes, I have a tub of salt over
here), but at some point the modulations
would be sensitive enough where the
X-pol isolation isn't sufficient?
Okay, a vendor can if they're more
technical than salesy.
I'm not meaning to imply John was salesy.
;-)
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*From: *"John Seaman"
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*Sent: *Monday, October 24, 2016 3:55:17 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity
6 GHz system
Hi Ken, the Lynx and Orion are largely
identical. The biggest difference
between the two is that the Orion
supports XPIC where as the Lynx does
not. Keep in mind that either model
can be set up for 2+0, but only with the
Orion can both radios operate on the
same channel. Other than that, the Orion
does offer higher TX power (for certain
frequencies) compared to the Lynx.
However with 6 GHz, the TX frequency for
Lynx and Orion are the same. Orion also
features SynchE/1588 functionality which
is not found on the Lynx. Both models
now support buffer size up to 8 MB.
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On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Ken
Hohhof <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Jeremy, I’m trying to remember, can
you upgrade that Lynx to 2+0 with a
license key as long as you don’t
need XPIC? Trango doesn’t spell it
out very well on their website, but
it looks like the major differences
between Lynx and Orion are buffer
size, XPIC, and maybe the interface
and powering options? So that you
could still double the throughput as
long as you can license a different
frequency pair for the other
polarization. And the issue of the
wired interface speed.
*From:*Af
[mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] *On
Behalf Of *Jeremy
*Sent:* Friday, October 21, 2016
10:16 PM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Highest
capacity 6 GHz system
I don't know who has the biggest or
best, but my 6GHz Trango Apex Lynx
has been rock solid for going on
four years now. It does 700Mbps
FDX. I believe that the Trango
Orion has XPIC up to 1.5Gbps in a
56Mhz channel.
On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 7:41 PM,
Josh Reynolds <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Why in the world would they buy
Exalt?
On Oct 21, 2016 8:10 PM, "Jaime
Solorza"
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
I thought Crisco bought out
Exalt
On Oct 21, 2016 5:10 PM,
"Ken Hohhof"
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I thought I got an ad
recently from Exalt
about a big sale through
the end of the year on
Extreme Air 6Hz. Oops,
I just found the email,
and it’s everything but
6 GHz. Not sure I’d buy
Exalt anyway. Maybe
someone else was having
an overstock sale on 6 GHz?
*From:*Af
[mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>]
*On Behalf Of
*[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Friday, October
21, 2016 5:50 PM
*To:* [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]
Highest capacity 6 GHz
system
First I have to find out
if there are channels in
this area.
Then I have a passive
repeater to deal with...
Not a simple path to
engineer.
*From:*Daniel White
*Sent:*Friday, October
21, 2016 4:33 PM
*To:*[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG]
Highest capacity 6 GHz
system
Well you can only use
60MHz channels max. That
helps make it more
competitive.
6GHz most likely
precludes higher
modulations… you just
won’t have the link
budget. Also depends if
you’re going all outdoor
or split-mount/all-indoor.
I’d be shocked if there
is a winner here – I’d
go with the solution
your most comfortable with.
My guess is you will end
up with Ceragon/Cambium
or SIAE. DragonWave
Harmony Advanced is
certainly worth a look,
although I’m not sure
about 6GHz availability
since it just started
shipping.
Chuck feel free to
contact me offlist and
we could look at some
things.
Daniel White
Managing Director –
Hardware Distribution Sales
ConVergence Technologies
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
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