AF11X actually has two internal radios if my understanding of the platform is correct. It is Full Duplex + MIMO.
On Oct 24, 2016 7:03 PM, "Bill Prince" <[email protected]> wrote: > It's not 100% clear from your description, but the AF11x is using both > polarities. > > The Mimosa is a very strange duck. Even using 2 channels and 2 polarities, > there is no way to actually run it full duplex. The high-latency half > duplex is pretty much baked in. IMO, it squanders air bandwidth at the > expense of cheapness. And it's highest modulation rate is still only > 256QAM. We had serious trouble trying to even get 256QAM on a relatively > modest distance link. > > > bp > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > > On 10/24/2016 4:28 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: > > I will take a crack at it... just to make sure that My understanding is > correct too. > > In licensed radio world, the default lingo is as follows:- > A single channel is actually two channels, one channel is used to > Transmit and the other channel is used to receive. > and each of these channels pair can be either in V polarity or H > polarity (but not mingled). > > XPIC is used to describe a radio where you can mount two radios together, > one using the H polarity and the other using V polarity, but the same > channel... > But still only one channel (H + V) is used to transmit and the other > channel is used to Receive. (Thus Full duplex) > > MIMO...., = One Channel, both H & V polarities are used, and either one > can be used for Tx and Rx (thus half duplex) > > AF11x = Traditional Licensed radio... one channel/polarity for TX and > one channel/polarity for RX > Mimosa B11 = Disruptive... a very odd animal... can be configured as... > Use one channel (both polarities) > for TX and one channel (both polarities) for RX > or ... Use Two Channels, both polarities in > each channel, and use either one to TX & RX (more like a dual channel MIMO) > AF5 = Uses one channel (both polarities) for Tx and one channel (both > polarities) for RX > > AF24 = can be used as > One Channel (Dual Polarities) for TX > and one Channel (Dual Polarities) for RX > or can use the same one channel (dual > polarities) for Tx and Rx. > > Hope this is as clear as mud ! > > :) > > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"George Skorup" <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Monday, October 24, 2016 7:09:11 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system > > What's so much different between XPIC and MIMO? I'm asking because I guess > I'm just ignorant. MIMO = single carrier (is OFDM implied?), dual streams? > And XPIC = dual carriers (is single-carrier QAM per channel implied?) and > independent streams that are aggregated in hardware, perhaps as simple as a > LAG on the internal switch? Or does XPIC add some more magic? > > So then what is the UBNT AF11X considered? Or the AF5 and 24 for that > matter since they're also capable of FDD. > > On 10/24/2016 5:23 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > Can a non-vendor tell me if at higher order modulations if there's > limiting gain from co-channel XPIC? I assume it works to some degree > because it's marketed (yes, I have a tub of salt over here), but at some > point the modulations would be sensitive enough where the X-pol isolation > isn't sufficient? > > Okay, a vendor can if they're more technical than salesy. > > I'm not meaning to imply John was salesy. > > ;-) > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > *From: *"John Seaman" <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Monday, October 24, 2016 3:55:17 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system > > Hi Ken, the Lynx and Orion are largely identical. The biggest difference > between the two is that the Orion supports XPIC where as the Lynx does not. > Keep in mind that either model can be set up for 2+0, but only with the > Orion can both radios operate on the same channel. Other than that, the > Orion does offer higher TX power (for certain frequencies) compared to the > Lynx. However with 6 GHz, the TX frequency for Lynx and Orion are the > same. Orion also features SynchE/1588 functionality which is not found on > the Lynx. Both models now support buffer size up to 8 MB. > > John Seaman | Sales | *Trango Systems, Inc. | * > *+1-858-248-4006 <+1-858-248-4006> * > | > www.trangosys.com <http://trangosys.com/> > *[image: Trango Systems] <http://www.trangosys.com/>* > > *Innovating Microwave Backhaul**™* > > > > On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Jeremy, I’m trying to remember, can you upgrade that Lynx to 2+0 with a >> license key as long as you don’t need XPIC? Trango doesn’t spell it out >> very well on their website, but it looks like the major differences between >> Lynx and Orion are buffer size, XPIC, and maybe the interface and powering >> options? So that you could still double the throughput as long as you can >> license a different frequency pair for the other polarization. And the >> issue of the wired interface speed. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy >> *Sent:* Friday, October 21, 2016 10:16 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system >> >> >> >> I don't know who has the biggest or best, but my 6GHz Trango Apex Lynx >> has been rock solid for going on four years now. It does 700Mbps FDX. I >> believe that the Trango Orion has XPIC up to 1.5Gbps in a 56Mhz channel. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 7:41 PM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Why in the world would they buy Exalt? >> >> >> >> On Oct 21, 2016 8:10 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> I thought Crisco bought out Exalt >> >> >> >> On Oct 21, 2016 5:10 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I thought I got an ad recently from Exalt about a big sale through the >> end of the year on Extreme Air 6Hz. Oops, I just found the email, and it’s >> everything but 6 GHz. Not sure I’d buy Exalt anyway. Maybe someone else >> was having an overstock sale on 6 GHz? >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *[email protected] >> *Sent:* Friday, October 21, 2016 5:50 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system >> >> >> >> First I have to find out if there are channels in this area. >> >> Then I have a passive repeater to deal with... >> >> >> >> Not a simple path to engineer. >> >> >> >> *From:* Daniel White >> >> *Sent:* Friday, October 21, 2016 4:33 PM >> >> *To:* [email protected] >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system >> >> >> >> Well you can only use 60MHz channels max. That helps make it more >> competitive. >> >> >> >> 6GHz most likely precludes higher modulations… you just won’t have the >> link budget. Also depends if you’re going all outdoor or >> split-mount/all-indoor. >> >> >> >> I’d be shocked if there is a winner here – I’d go with the solution your >> most comfortable with. >> >> >> >> My guess is you will end up with Ceragon/Cambium or SIAE. DragonWave >> Harmony Advanced is certainly worth a look, although I’m not sure about >> 6GHz availability since it just started shipping. >> >> >> >> Chuck feel free to contact me offlist and we could look at some things. >> >> >> >> Daniel White >> >> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales >> >> ConVergence Technologies >> >> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590> >> >> [email protected] >> >> ...
