Yes, full duplex (as in using one channel for Tx & one for RX) MIMO as in using both polarities.. yes but as in using both channels to send & receive ... no not as per their specs.
Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] > From: "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 8:51:52 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system > AF11X actually has two internal radios if my understanding of the platform is > correct. It is Full Duplex + MIMO. > On Oct 24, 2016 7:03 PM, "Bill Prince" < [email protected] > wrote: >> It's not 100% clear from your description, but the AF11x is using both >> polarities. >> The Mimosa is a very strange duck. Even using 2 channels and 2 polarities, >> there >> is no way to actually run it full duplex. The high-latency half duplex is >> pretty much baked in. IMO, it squanders air bandwidth at the expense of >> cheapness. And it's highest modulation rate is still only 256QAM. We had >> serious trouble trying to even get 256QAM on a relatively modest distance >> link. >> bp >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >> On 10/24/2016 4:28 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: >>> I will take a crack at it... just to make sure that My understanding is >>> correct >>> too. >>> In licensed radio world, the default lingo is as follows:- >>> A single channel is actually two channels, one channel is used to Transmit >>> and >>> the other channel is used to receive. >>> and each of these channels pair can be either in V polarity or H polarity >>> (but >>> not mingled). >>> XPIC is used to describe a radio where you can mount two radios together, >>> one >>> using the H polarity and the other using V polarity, but the same channel... >>> But still only one channel (H + V) is used to transmit and the other >>> channel is >>> used to Receive. (Thus Full duplex) >>> MIMO...., = One Channel, both H & V polarities are used, and either one can >>> be >>> used for Tx and Rx (thus half duplex) >>> AF11x = Traditional Licensed radio... one channel/polarity for TX and one >>> channel/polarity for RX >>> Mimosa B11 = Disruptive... a very odd animal... can be configured as... >>> Use one channel (both polarities) for TX and one channel (both polarities) >>> for >>> RX >>> or ... Use Two Channels, both polarities in each channel, and use either >>> one to >>> TX & RX (more like a dual channel MIMO) >>> AF5 = Uses one channel (both polarities) for Tx and one channel (both >>> polarities) for RX >>> AF24 = can be used as >>> One Channel (Dual Polarities) for TX and one Channel (Dual Polarities) for >>> RX >>> or can use the same one channel (dual polarities) for Tx and Rx. >>> Hope this is as clear as mud ! >>> :) >>> Faisal Imtiaz >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>> Miami, FL 33155 >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] >>>> From: "George Skorup" <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 7:09:11 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system >>>> What's so much different between XPIC and MIMO? I'm asking because I guess >>>> I'm >>>> just ignorant. MIMO = single carrier (is OFDM implied?), dual streams? And >>>> XPIC >>>> = dual carriers (is single-carrier QAM per channel implied?) and >>>> independent >>>> streams that are aggregated in hardware, perhaps as simple as a LAG on the >>>> internal switch? Or does XPIC add some more magic? >>>> So then what is the UBNT AF11X considered? Or the AF5 and 24 for that >>>> matter >>>> since they're also capable of FDD. >>>> On 10/24/2016 5:23 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: >>>>> Can a non-vendor tell me if at higher order modulations if there's >>>>> limiting gain >>>>> from co-channel XPIC? I assume it works to some degree because it's >>>>> marketed >>>>> (yes, I have a tub of salt over here), but at some point the modulations >>>>> would >>>>> be sensitive enough where the X-pol isolation isn't sufficient? >>>>> Okay, a vendor can if they're more technical than salesy. >>>>> I'm not meaning to imply John was salesy. >>>>> ;-) >>>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>>> The Brothers WISP >>>>> From: "John Seaman" <[email protected]> >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 3:55:17 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system >>>>> Hi Ken, the Lynx and Orion are largely identical. The biggest difference >>>>> between >>>>> the two is that the Orion supports XPIC where as the Lynx does not. Keep >>>>> in >>>>> mind that either model can be set up for 2+0, but only with the Orion can >>>>> both >>>>> radios operate on the same channel. Other than that, the Orion does offer >>>>> higher TX power (for certain frequencies) compared to the Lynx. However >>>>> with 6 >>>>> GHz, the TX frequency for Lynx and Orion are the same. Orion also features >>>>> SynchE/1588 functionality which is not found on the Lynx. Both models now >>>>> support buffer size up to 8 MB. >>>>> John Seaman | Sales | Trango Systems, Inc. | >>>>> +1-858-248-4006 >>>>> www.trangosys.com >>>>> Innovating Microwave Backhaul ™ >>>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Ken Hohhof < [email protected] > wrote: >>>>>> Jeremy, I’m trying to remember, can you upgrade that Lynx to 2+0 with a >>>>>> license >>>>>> key as long as you don’t need XPIC? Trango doesn’t spell it out very >>>>>> well on >>>>>> their website, but it looks like the major differences between Lynx and >>>>>> Orion >>>>>> are buffer size, XPIC, and maybe the interface and powering options? So >>>>>> that >>>>>> you could still double the throughput as long as you can license a >>>>>> different >>>>>> frequency pair for the other polarization. And the issue of the wired >>>>>> interface >>>>>> speed. >>>>>> From: Af [mailto: [email protected] ] On Behalf Of Jeremy >>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 10:16 PM >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system >>>>>> I don't know who has the biggest or best, but my 6GHz Trango Apex Lynx >>>>>> has been >>>>>> rock solid for going on four years now. It does 700Mbps FDX. I believe >>>>>> that the >>>>>> Trango Orion has XPIC up to 1.5Gbps in a 56Mhz channel. >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 7:41 PM, Josh Reynolds < [email protected] > >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> Why in the world would they buy Exalt? >>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2016 8:10 PM, "Jaime Solorza" < [email protected] > >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> I thought Crisco bought out Exalt >>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2016 5:10 PM, "Ken Hohhof" < [email protected] > wrote: >>>>>>>>> I thought I got an ad recently from Exalt about a big sale through >>>>>>>>> the end of >>>>>>>>> the year on Extreme Air 6Hz. Oops, I just found the email, and it’s >>>>>>>>> everything >>>>>>>>> but 6 GHz. Not sure I’d buy Exalt anyway. Maybe someone else was >>>>>>>>> having an >>>>>>>>> overstock sale on 6 GHz? >>>>>>>>> From: Af [mailto: [email protected] ] On Behalf Of [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 5:50 PM >>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system >>>>>>>>> First I have to find out if there are channels in this area. >>>>>>>>> Then I have a passive repeater to deal with... >>>>>>>>> Not a simple path to engineer. >>>>>>>>> From: Daniel White >>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 4:33 PM >>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system >>>>>>>>> Well you can only use 60MHz channels max. That helps make it more >>>>>>>>> competitive. >>>>>>>>> 6GHz most likely precludes higher modulations… you just won’t have >>>>>>>>> the link >>>>>>>>> budget. Also depends if you’re going all outdoor or >>>>>>>>> split-mount/all-indoor. >>>>>>>>> I’d be shocked if there is a winner here – I’d go with the solution >>>>>>>>> your most >>>>>>>>> comfortable with. >>>>>>>>> My guess is you will end up with Ceragon/Cambium or SIAE. DragonWave >>>>>>>>> Harmony >>>>>>>>> Advanced is certainly worth a look, although I’m not sure about 6GHz >>>>>>>>> availability since it just started shipping. >>>>>>>>> Chuck feel free to contact me offlist and we could look at some >>>>>>>>> things. >>>>>>>>> Daniel White >>>>>>>>> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales >>>>>>>>> ConVergence Technologies >>>>>>>>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >> ...
